Trumps Unholy Alliance With Catholicism In Full View At Al Smith Dinner

[Mr. Friscus]

Sin is necessary for repentance. If I have a stance that is against doctrine, then doctrine should take a hike.

Well then don’t claim to be a Christian and that’s fine

 

[d0gbreath]

Well then don’t claim to be a Christian and that’s fine

Jesus Christ is my Savior. A Church congregation full of sinners isn't.

 

[lennypartiv]

Catholicism is a cult.

 

[lennypartiv]

Trump needs to embarrass the Catholics as well as the Jews.

You got that right.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Jesus Christ is my Savior. A Church congregation full of sinners isn't.

Well, if He’s your savior, you’d follow his doctrine and church He established.

Thus, clearly you don’t value Him as much as you claim. It doesn’t sound like you trust Him.

But hey, I’m sure you picked up a Bible and just know more than Thomas Aquinas.

 

[d0gbreath]

Well, if He’s your savior, you’d follow his doctrine and church He established.

So clearly you don’t value Him as much as you claim

It's really none of your business.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

It's really none of your business.

Then why did you reply and start a conversation about it

 

[d0gbreath]

Then why did you reply and start a conversation about it

I started the conversation. Now I am ending it.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I started the conversation. Now I am ending it.

Perhaps don’t bring up things you don’t want to talk about in the future?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The charity affair is named for Al Smith, the first Catholic to represent a major party as its presidential candidate. Smith, born in 1873, grew up impoverished in New York. He dropped out of his parochial elementary school when his father, an Italian immigrant, died when He was 13. Smith never attended high school but found his way in and around the Tammany Hall political machine because of his oratorical skills. Elected governor of New York four times, his popularity led to a presidential run against Herbert Hoover which ended in a landslide loss partly attributed to anti-Catholic sentiment in the nation. Smith lost the 1932 nomination for president to his successor Franklin Roosevelt who had succeeded him as governor.

Lapsed and Forgotten​

In a reversal of fortunes, the national hierarchy of the church has entered into a transactional arrangement with Donald Trump that is centered on abortion. White Catholic voters have followed their leaders in supporting Trump in both of his campaigns for president and this year PEW Research cites polling that shows that Trump has a vast lead among white Catholics with 61% stating that if voting were held today they would support Trump— 38% intend to vote for Harris. That gap is only exceeded by white evangelical support (81% to 16% for Harris). When all Catholics are counted the gap narrows to an even split. The American church has fallen on hard times, mostly of their own making. The priestly sexual abuse scandals have rocked the church. Catholic churches abandoned many urban areas where its immigrant parishes once flourished. Now, Sunday mass attendance is falling. The bishops have followed their wealthier flock to the suburbs. The church has decided to mix politics and religion into a toxic brew that has divided its followers and added to its theological entanglement for what they were once admonished to “render unto Caesar…”.

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York, expressed disappointment that Kamala Harris chose to campaign in Wisconsin rather than attend the dinner in person (she sent a video). Meanwhile, he embraced Trump whose adult behaviors would appear to be antithetical to any religion’s core values— and certainly the ones drilled into us by our parish nuns and priests. Before he threatened to dissolve the Constitution, Trump had eviscerated the commandments— the simple moral guideposts that along with the Golden Rule have endured. When asked for the greatest commandment, Christ responded, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind," then He added, "'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

In their moralistic intransigence, the church in America has forgotten Jesus’s great commandment. The basic tenets found in most religions are as pertinent today as they were in biblical times. Donald Trump has lived a public life paying little heed to societal rules, often skirting them with impunity. Consider him a “prodigal son” who has continued his “prodigaling” with no intentions of returning to the Father. The fatted calf is safe.

At the dinner, Dolan was seated next to the Philanderer-in-Chief and led off the speaking stating while motioning toward the exPOTUS "We need you more than ever," then referring to Trump as his “neighbor” who was "working so hard to see that we can safely return to church as safely possible.” Under different circumstances, the phony praise could be dismissed as a courtesy if not for the consequences of Dolan’s and many American Catholic bishops' transactional Faustian bargain with the MAGA GOP:

Trump's unholy alliance with Catholicism in full view at Al Smith dinner...

with apologies to my cabrini Nuns who thought they taught me better So, Catholics invited the original sinner to their party this week, and the church heard his confession: “Bless me, Father... " Donald’s next words were unnecessarily, sinfully, mean....

www.dailykos.com

Daily Kook

 

[d0gbreath]

Perhaps don’t bring up things you don’t want to talk about in the future?

Sure coach.

 

[struth]

Yep. The pedophiles definitely align with GOP values, more the Democratic values.

It's easy to see why the Founders wanted them far from politics. They remember first hand the disastrous history of Catholicism in middle ages Europe.

Discounting of course, Catholics that do follow the teachings of Christ, and not the Golden Calf crowd at the Al Smith dinners.

You think our founders remember first hand, the Middle Ages?? Haha how old do you think Jefferson. Et Al were?

 

[justoffal]

The charity affair is named for Al Smith, the first Catholic to represent a major party as its presidential candidate. Smith, born in 1873, grew up impoverished in New York. He dropped out of his parochial elementary school when his father, an Italian immigrant, died when He was 13. Smith never attended high school but found his way in and around the Tammany Hall political machine because of his oratorical skills. Elected governor of New York four times, his popularity led to a presidential run against Herbert Hoover which ended in a landslide loss partly attributed to anti-Catholic sentiment in the nation. Smith lost the 1932 nomination for president to his successor Franklin Roosevelt who had succeeded him as governor.

Lapsed and Forgotten​

In a reversal of fortunes, the national hierarchy of the church has entered into a transactional arrangement with Donald Trump that is centered on abortion. White Catholic voters have followed their leaders in supporting Trump in both of his campaigns for president and this year PEW Research cites polling that shows that Trump has a vast lead among white Catholics with 61% stating that if voting were held today they would support Trump— 38% intend to vote for Harris. That gap is only exceeded by white evangelical support (81% to 16% for Harris). When all Catholics are counted the gap narrows to an even split. The American church has fallen on hard times, mostly of their own making. The priestly sexual abuse scandals have rocked the church. Catholic churches abandoned many urban areas where its immigrant parishes once flourished. Now, Sunday mass attendance is falling. The bishops have followed their wealthier flock to the suburbs. The church has decided to mix politics and religion into a toxic brew that has divided its followers and added to its theological entanglement for what they were once admonished to “render unto Caesar…”.

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York, expressed disappointment that Kamala Harris chose to campaign in Wisconsin rather than attend the dinner in person (she sent a video). Meanwhile, he embraced Trump whose adult behaviors would appear to be antithetical to any religion’s core values— and certainly the ones drilled into us by our parish nuns and priests. Before he threatened to dissolve the Constitution, Trump had eviscerated the commandments— the simple moral guideposts that along with the Golden Rule have endured. When asked for the greatest commandment, Christ responded, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind," then He added, "'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

In their moralistic intransigence, the church in America has forgotten Jesus’s great commandment. The basic tenets found in most religions are as pertinent today as they were in biblical times. Donald Trump has lived a public life paying little heed to societal rules, often skirting them with impunity. Consider him a “prodigal son” who has continued his “prodigaling” with no intentions of returning to the Father. The fatted calf is safe.

At the dinner, Dolan was seated next to the Philanderer-in-Chief and led off the speaking stating while motioning toward the exPOTUS "We need you more than ever," then referring to Trump as his “neighbor” who was "working so hard to see that we can safely return to church as safely possible.” Under different circumstances, the phony praise could be dismissed as a courtesy if not for the consequences of Dolan’s and many American Catholic bishops' transactional Faustian bargain with the MAGA GOP:

Trump's unholy alliance with Catholicism in full view at Al Smith dinner...

with apologies to my cabrini Nuns who thought they taught me better So, Catholics invited the original sinner to their party this week, and the church heard his confession: “Bless me, Father... " Donald’s next words were unnecessarily, sinfully, mean....

www.dailykos.com

Meh....unholy? Nah ... Hitler and the Vatican...now that was unholy.

A good practicing Catholic is actually a pretty upstanding citizen and a good neighbor.
The Church has managed to survive 1650 years...something to be said for that. I'm not one myself but know many.

 

[jbrownson0831]

The charity affair is named for Al Smith, the first Catholic to represent a major party as its presidential candidate. Smith, born in 1873, grew up impoverished in New York. He dropped out of his parochial elementary school when his father, an Italian immigrant, died when He was 13. Smith never attended high school but found his way in and around the Tammany Hall political machine because of his oratorical skills. Elected governor of New York four times, his popularity led to a presidential run against Herbert Hoover which ended in a landslide loss partly attributed to anti-Catholic sentiment in the nation. Smith lost the 1932 nomination for president to his successor Franklin Roosevelt who had succeeded him as governor.

Lapsed and Forgotten​

In a reversal of fortunes, the national hierarchy of the church has entered into a transactional arrangement with Donald Trump that is centered on abortion. White Catholic voters have followed their leaders in supporting Trump in both of his campaigns for president and this year PEW Research cites polling that shows that Trump has a vast lead among white Catholics with 61% stating that if voting were held today they would support Trump— 38% intend to vote for Harris. That gap is only exceeded by white evangelical support (81% to 16% for Harris). When all Catholics are counted the gap narrows to an even split. The American church has fallen on hard times, mostly of their own making. The priestly sexual abuse scandals have rocked the church. Catholic churches abandoned many urban areas where its immigrant parishes once flourished. Now, Sunday mass attendance is falling. The bishops have followed their wealthier flock to the suburbs. The church has decided to mix politics and religion into a toxic brew that has divided its followers and added to its theological entanglement for what they were once admonished to “render unto Caesar…”.

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York, expressed disappointment that Kamala Harris chose to campaign in Wisconsin rather than attend the dinner in person (she sent a video). Meanwhile, he embraced Trump whose adult behaviors would appear to be antithetical to any religion’s core values— and certainly the ones drilled into us by our parish nuns and priests. Before he threatened to dissolve the Constitution, Trump had eviscerated the commandments— the simple moral guideposts that along with the Golden Rule have endured. When asked for the greatest commandment, Christ responded, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind," then He added, "'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

In their moralistic intransigence, the church in America has forgotten Jesus’s great commandment. The basic tenets found in most religions are as pertinent today as they were in biblical times. Donald Trump has lived a public life paying little heed to societal rules, often skirting them with impunity. Consider him a “prodigal son” who has continued his “prodigaling” with no intentions of returning to the Father. The fatted calf is safe.

At the dinner, Dolan was seated next to the Philanderer-in-Chief and led off the speaking stating while motioning toward the exPOTUS "We need you more than ever," then referring to Trump as his “neighbor” who was "working so hard to see that we can safely return to church as safely possible.” Under different circumstances, the phony praise could be dismissed as a courtesy if not for the consequences of Dolan’s and many American Catholic bishops' transactional Faustian bargain with the MAGA GOP:

Trump's unholy alliance with Catholicism in full view at Al Smith dinner...

with apologies to my cabrini Nuns who thought they taught me better So, Catholics invited the original sinner to their party this week, and the church heard his confession: “Bless me, Father... " Donald’s next words were unnecessarily, sinfully, mean....

www.dailykos.com

skrewey......skrewwwweeeyy.....where are you skrewey??

 

[Polishprince]

Appearing at the Al Smith dinner is something both candidates traditionally do, its a charity event.

Doesn't mean the President Trump as an "alliance" with the RCC, unholy or otherwise.

In fact the Democrats are tighter, look how well Sleepy Joe got along with Pope Francis during his visit, as compared to the Trump-Pope meeting where Frank looked like he was sucking on a lemon.

 

[Mashmont]

The charity affair is named for Al Smith, the first Catholic to represent a major party as its presidential candidate. Smith, born in 1873, grew up impoverished in New York. He dropped out of his parochial elementary school when his father, an Italian immigrant, died when He was 13. Smith never attended high school but found his way in and around the Tammany Hall political machine because of his oratorical skills. Elected governor of New York four times, his popularity led to a presidential run against Herbert Hoover which ended in a landslide loss partly attributed to anti-Catholic sentiment in the nation. Smith lost the 1932 nomination for president to his successor Franklin Roosevelt who had succeeded him as governor.

Lapsed and Forgotten​

In a reversal of fortunes, the national hierarchy of the church has entered into a transactional arrangement with Donald Trump that is centered on abortion. White Catholic voters have followed their leaders in supporting Trump in both of his campaigns for president and this year PEW Research cites polling that shows that Trump has a vast lead among white Catholics with 61% stating that if voting were held today they would support Trump— 38% intend to vote for Harris. That gap is only exceeded by white evangelical support (81% to 16% for Harris). When all Catholics are counted the gap narrows to an even split. The American church has fallen on hard times, mostly of their own making. The priestly sexual abuse scandals have rocked the church. Catholic churches abandoned many urban areas where its immigrant parishes once flourished. Now, Sunday mass attendance is falling. The bishops have followed their wealthier flock to the suburbs. The church has decided to mix politics and religion into a toxic brew that has divided its followers and added to its theological entanglement for what they were once admonished to “render unto Caesar…”.

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York, expressed disappointment that Kamala Harris chose to campaign in Wisconsin rather than attend the dinner in person (she sent a video). Meanwhile, he embraced Trump whose adult behaviors would appear to be antithetical to any religion’s core values— and certainly the ones drilled into us by our parish nuns and priests. Before he threatened to dissolve the Constitution, Trump had eviscerated the commandments— the simple moral guideposts that along with the Golden Rule have endured. When asked for the greatest commandment, Christ responded, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind," then He added, "'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

In their moralistic intransigence, the church in America has forgotten Jesus’s great commandment. The basic tenets found in most religions are as pertinent today as they were in biblical times. Donald Trump has lived a public life paying little heed to societal rules, often skirting them with impunity. Consider him a “prodigal son” who has continued his “prodigaling” with no intentions of returning to the Father. The fatted calf is safe.

At the dinner, Dolan was seated next to the Philanderer-in-Chief and led off the speaking stating while motioning toward the exPOTUS "We need you more than ever," then referring to Trump as his “neighbor” who was "working so hard to see that we can safely return to church as safely possible.” Under different circumstances, the phony praise could be dismissed as a courtesy if not for the consequences of Dolan’s and many American Catholic bishops' transactional Faustian bargain with the MAGA GOP:

Trump's unholy alliance with Catholicism in full view at Al Smith dinner...

with apologies to my cabrini Nuns who thought they taught me better So, Catholics invited the original sinner to their party this week, and the church heard his confession: “Bless me, Father... " Donald’s next words were unnecessarily, sinfully, mean....

www.dailykos.com

This has been answered 1000 times. Trump has been the most pro-life president in history in terms of his governance. Biden and Harris have been the most anti-life along with 0bama . The choice is easy for Catholics.