Trump's Second Foreign Policy Crisis: Syria

[Lesh]

There are already threads on that, I am not here to educate you.

The pullout I was referring to in my reply to Fitz, which you replied to, was when Trump did the missile strike in 2017 in response to Assad's use of chemical weapons.

You confused it with the current situation, so un-confuse your own self. I have better things to do.

I confused nothing. You claimed Trump forced the Russian fleet out of Syria

That was a lie

 

[para bellum]

I confused nothing. You claimed Trump forced the Russian fleet out of Syria

That was a lie

Oh STFU. I said they pulled out during the missile strike. You took it totally out of context.

Stop making shit up. Everyone that pays any attention at all knows that they have had warships based at Tartus for years.

TDS had rotted your brain too, fuckup.

 

[Missourian]

Trump's first foreign policy issue is going to be Ukraine.

His second issue, which may supplant Ukraine, is Syria.

Syria is crumbling. Assad may be gone before Trump is sworn in.

As the primary rebel force, Hyat Tahrir al Sham (HTS), has been enjoying recent success, other factional rebel groups have been cropping up like weeds.

The latest rebel group calls itself the Southern Operations Room.

Putin has abandoned Assad due to his preoccupation with the war in Ukraine.

Iran is also abandoning Syria as they are distracted by Israel.

1500 to 2000 Syrian troops have turned tail and entered Iraq.

Hezbollah has entered Syria to stem the tide of Syrian rebels who are now close enough to be a threat to Tripoli in northern Lebanon.

Once Assad falls, all of these rebel organizations are going to be fighting each other to fill the power vacuum, and we can be sure there will be vicious recriminations against anyone connected to the Assad regime.

HTS is the dominant rebel organization, but none of the factions can be considered anything close to moderate.

It's going to be a bloody mess, and Trump is going to have to get up to speed quickly.

Syrian rebels say Bashar al-Assad has fled Damascus and claim to have captured capital – as it happened

Rebels say Damascus is ‘free’ of the ‘tyrant’ Bashar al-Assad after lightning advance across the country

www.theguardian.com

What does this have to do with us?

 

[Lesh]

Wrong again dipshit.

First, the US had no compelling interest in Syria beyond taking down ISIS, which is exactly what Trump did.

Second, when Assad ignored Trump's warning, he bombed the shit out of Shayrat Airbase with Tomahawk missiles. It was Putin that withdrew the Russian fleet from Tartus when Trump told him what was about to happen.

And when Russian troops attacked US forces in eastern Syria, they got their asses kicked, and Putin could do nothing about it.

Trump is not afraid of Putin, and never was. Both Trump and Putin were fully aware that the Dem narrative was a political fabrication. Neither leader wants a war, and that is just a basic common sense realization that you cannot grasp.

Your TDS and Putin fixation have rotted your brain. Go scream at the lake.

Let’s go to the video tape..

“It was Putin THAT WITHDREW THE RUSSIAN FLEET from Tartus when Trump told him what was about to happen.”

That is a lie my dishonest friend

 

[Missourian]

Syria is no crises. It's none of our business.

For once we are in 100% agreement.

 

[Missourian]

Isolationism never works. In fact, in increases the odds of global instability.

Cool.

You can go fight in Syria.

Send us a postcard.

 

[Missourian]

Assad will be gone in two months' time.

You speak truth. He's gone already.

 

[Delldude]

That was just a few troops. We had 2000 troops in Syria hunting ISIS. Trump pulled them out after taking down ISIS, and left a few forces guarding the oilfields with the Kurds.

The poster thinks a piece of empty desert with a makeshift airstrip and some empty bunkers is an "airbase"...

Yeah, I posted a link saying that.

 

[Missourian]

How can it get more unstable than interfering in their affairs and causing civil wars?

Don't you know?

We know better than the people that live there!

We have to save them from themselves!

/Satire

 

[para bellum]

Let’s go to the video tape..

“It was Putin THAT WITHDREW THE RUSSIAN FLEET from Tartus when Trump told him what was about to happen.”

That is a lie my dishonest friend

I am not your friend and you are intentionally taking my statement completely out of context.

The other idiot was claiming that Trump withdrew from Syria on Putin's orders, and that Trump did nothing when Assad used chemical weapons on civilians. I said no- Trump struck the airbase when Assad used chemical weapons.

And what I said is not a lie, that is exactly what happened. Trump notified Putin, and it was Putin who withdrew his fleet out of Tartus- Trump never took orders from Putin.

At the time, all you pearl-clutchers were claiming the Russian ships were going out to attack the Burke's in the Med that launched against the Shayrat airbase.

That was another time your side got it completely wrong- Putin pulled them out of Tartus for safety.

So your track record of 100% wrong about Trump is intact, you clueless fucking simp.

 

[Zincwarrior]

As of now Trump is saying stay out. I admit that Trump is right on that!

 

[Missourian]

If not for us, a lot of things would never have happened if not for wetsern interference.

Europe wants a Natural Gas Pipeline so they don't have to buy from Russia.

That's why we invaded Iraq.

That's why Russia props up Iran and Syria.

That's why we try to overthrow Syria and Iran.

It might not be all about the Natural Gas ... but that's the lion's share of it ...

Iran–Iraq–Syria pipeline - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Qatar–Turkey pipeline - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[para bellum]

Let’s go to the video tape..

“It was Putin THAT WITHDREW THE RUSSIAN FLEET from Tartus when Trump told him what was about to happen.”

That is a lie my dishonest friend

And I will just add- you used an ISW Iran assessment that is ONE DAY OLD to "prove" me wrong, and that assessment has nothing to do with the events of 2017.

I said "they returned to collect some weapons" because I knew the Russians had pulled out again, just a few days earlier. If you go back a few days in ISW's Iran assessments, you will see they mentioned that pullout from Tartus.

There are at least two threads on this board that talk about it, and I speculated about where they would go if things in Syria continued to deteriorate for Putin.

That was YOUR conflation, not mine. The pullout in 2017 was NOT a permanent removal of Russian warships in the Med, and I never claimed it was.

 

[Missourian]

somehow---the country has to come under control.
All kinds of evil forces can invade. The US CANNOT
REMAIN PASSIVE

Why not?

How is this our problem?

 

[Missourian]

Wishful thinking,

I guess all the zTrump flat earth types hope they can pretend world crises away. Just like their beloved fuhrer tried to wish Covid away.

How is this our problem?

 

[Lesh]

I am not your friend and you are intentionally taking my statement completely out of context.

The other idiot was claiming that Trump withdrew from Syria on Putin's orders, and that Trump did nothing when Assad used chemical weapons on civilians. I said no- Trump struck the airbase when Assad used chemical weapons.

And what I said is not a lie, that is exactly what happened. Trump notified Putin, and it was Putin who withdrew his fleet out of Tartus- Trump never took orders from Putin.

At the time, all you pearl-clutchers were claiming the Russian ships were going out to attack the Burke's in the Med that launched against the Shayrat airbase.

That was another time your side got it completely wrong- Putin pulled them out of Tartus for safety.

So your track record of 100% wrong about Trump is intact, you clueless fucking simp.

I posted what you said. You lied

As far as how tough Trump was…

Telling Putin ahead of time that he’s going to bomb an airbase so nothing of importance was hit?

Yeah.

Tough

 

[EvilCat Breath]

From the reports I’ve read going back to 2014. The Syrian Christians were more part of being pro Assad.

Some Americans have no idea that there’s actually lots of Christians in Syria. And they don’t know for example that Lebanon is half Christian. They just think they’re all Muslim there.

And Christians in Syria account for about 15% of the entire population. They are part of the police force, the military, the government. May God be with them and the many honorable Muslims who want Syria to be peaceful.

A lot of “Syrian rebels” are AQ type fanatical scum who even have received backing from the west. Just despicable.


But obv to some point we see the weakness of the Ba’ath government in syria ….Assad was no Saddam Hussein. Saddam stayed in Iraq and faced the music with bravery, no matter what somebody thinks about him. Even when he was hung from the gallows, he was defiant. I mean for the Syrian government to fall so quickly is stunning. After 50 years in power …. just wow. Let’s hope this thing doesn’t create another refugee crisis.!!!!!

I feel for the honorable Arab Christians, and Muslims. May God give them the power to crush the AQ and isil type fanatics.

Assad protected both Christians and Jews. The Muslims will have a bloodbath in Syria.

 

[irosie91]

Yes and a year later he pulled US forces out of Syria and you lefties all accused him of abandoning our "allies".

Trump had it exactly right- leave that mess to Putin to deal with. It's not our problem, and any US involvement can only backfire.

The SDF was not involved in the offensive that took down Assad, they are in northeastern Syria. Biden has been supporting them supposedly against the remnants of ISIS, but mainly they are fighting the SNA which is backed by Turkey. SNA fighters recently attacked US forces in Syria.

The HTS is the group that made the recent offensive that took down Assad. They are a designated terrorist organization as per the US, UK, Canada, and the EU.

"...the United States has nothing to do with this offensive, which is led by Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), a designated terrorist organization."

-Statement from the White House

So you have an Islamist terrorist group in control of Syria, US backed forces who are fighting other forces backed by a NATO ally, an ongoing civil war, and no idea what will come next.

And you fucking idiots are going on about Trump, and you cannot describe a coherent US policy regarding Syria because it does not exist.

So just stop it. That is a gigantic mess, Biden has no coherent policy, and whatever Trump inherits is NOT his creation.

IMIO In My Inexpert Opinion---Syria is in such turmoil right not that the
best move is TAKE COVER and WAIT AND SEE

 

[para bellum]

I posted what you said. You lied

As far as how tough Trump was…

Telling Putin ahead of time that he’s going to bomb an airbase so nothing of importance was hit?

Yeah.

Tough

No simp, notification so Putin would get his own people put of harms way, and know that strike was not directed at him.

I know you clowns all want to be at war with Russia- fortunately Trump has a shitload more brains than any of you...

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"Nothing of importance"...

U.S. Central Command stated in a press release that Tomahawk missiles hit "aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, petroleum and logistical storage, ammunition supply bunkers, defense systems, and radars".[30] Initial U.S. reports claimed "approximately 20 planes" were destroyed, and that 58 out of the 59 cruise missiles launched "severely degraded or destroyed" their intended target.[31][32] According to the satellite images the runways[33] and the taxiways have been reportedly undamaged and combat flights from the attacked airbase resumed on 7 April a few hours after the attack, although U.S. officials did not state that the runway was a target.[34][14] In a later statement on 10 April 2017, the US Secretary of Defense James Mattis claimed that the strike destroyed about 20% of the Syrian government's operational aircraft and the base had lost the ability to refuel or rearm aircraft.[35]

An independent bomb damage assessment conducted by ImageSat International counted hits on 44 targets, with some targets being hit by more than one missile; these figures were determined using satellite images of the airbase 10 hours after the strike. Among the targets struck was a 2K12 Kub (SA6) missile battery composed of five elements.[5]

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the strike damaged over a dozen hangars, a fuel depot, and an air defense base.[36][37]

Al-Masdar News reported that 15 fighter jets were damaged or destroyed and that the destruction of fuel tankers caused several explosions and a large fire.[38]

"Nothing of importance"

 

[irosie91]

Syria needs to be broken up. It is going to collapse anyway, and Turkey is already going after the Kurds. We gave our word to two of the Kurdish factions that we would support their statehood, and they deserve it. Fuck Erdogan and his backstabbing.

we cannot "break up" Syria-----there are many KURDISTANS (sorta) ---just trying to make the SYRIAN KURD population a state-----is SILLY