Trumps limited Alaska Peace Options

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump called to meet with Putin in Alaska to discuss “peace” in Ukraine.

As I see it, and probably as Putin sees it, Trump has no effective hand to play

To wit:

• Russia is now barreling westward into a defeated and collapsing Ukraine
• Ukraine is out of moves and is a depleted force
• NATO has no conventional means of stopping Russia
• Last time there were “peace talks” CIA/MIC/Ukraine took it as an opportunity to sneak attack Russias strategic bomber fleet.
• Putin is pretending to be willing to ”talk” He has been crystal clear that he will not tolerate NATO in Ukraine and more than we would tolerate the CCP buying farms near our middle bases. Well, see, Putin cares about the nation he leads, America Presidents, not so much

Trump will bluster and puff his feathers but any action he takes, double secret tariff, will only solidify BRICS Union and hasten the repricing of the American debt and economy

Maybe that’s Trumps unspoken goal?

 

[rightwinger]

Putin’s negotiation strategy

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I said this a few months ago

A US Russia alliance would make Trump greater than Muhammad Ali

 

[luiza]

Trump called to meet with Putin in Alaska to discuss “peace” in Ukraine.

As I see it, and probably as Putin sees it, Trump has no effective hand to play

To wit:

• Russia is now barreling westward into a defeated and collapsing Ukraine
• Ukraine is out of moves and is a depleted force
• NATO has no conventional means of stopping Russia
• Last time there were “peace talks” CIA/MIC/Ukraine took it as an opportunity to sneak attack Russias strategic bomber fleet.
• Putin is pretending to be willing to ”talk” He has been crystal clear that he will not tolerate NATO in Ukraine and more than we would tolerate the CCP buying farms near our middle bases. Well, see, Putin cares about the nation he leads, America Presidents, not so much

Trump will bluster and puff his feathers but any action he takes, double secret tariff, will only solidify BRICS Union and hasten the repricing of the American debt and economy

Maybe that’s Trumps unspoken goal?

Yes.
From Uncle P's perspective there is nothing to discuss .

Ukraine as a military power is smashed and only he will decide how much of the total land area he will take .

However , there might be Middle East trade-off .

I suspect that Russia could bring Israel to its knees in 72 hours by using Yemen and Iran as its proxy fighters. Russian Hyper Sonic Kinetic Energy Missiles tearing up the Cardboard Dome .

Trump will know this and will base decision making on a combined view of the two areas of conflict --- albeit unbeknown to the general public .

 

[Zincwarrior]

Trump wants to give Russia conquered territory to Ukraine, with nothing for Ukraine, no help, no guarantees, no NATO.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

“Trump's playing the ultimatum game with Russia: 50 days or 10… He should remember 2 things: 1. Russia isn't Israel or even Iran. 2. Each new ultimatum is a threat and a step towards war. Not between Russia and Ukraine, but with his own country. Don't go down the Sleepy Joe road!” -- Medvedev

 

[rightwinger]

Trump wants to give Russia conquered territory to Ukraine, with nothing for Ukraine, no help, no guarantees, no NATO.

Trump has given away all his bargaining chips with Putin

All he has left is…..What else can I give you?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Trump wants to end the war.
Therefore - Democrats want the war to continue to infinity and every male Ukranian from the age of 10 - 60 are all dead.

FACT

 

[luiza]

Trump has given away all his bargaining chips with Putin

All he has left is…..What else can I give you?

What bargaining chips has Trumpfy ever had?
Let alone any that he he has now ?Which number zero .

You make up things for no clear reason .

Perhaps you continue to make up things because you have been doing so for such a long time .

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What bargaining chips has Trumpfy ever had?
Let alone any that he he has now ?Which number zero .

You make up things for no clear reason .

Perhaps you continue to make up things because you have been doing so for such a long time .

READ - I want Trump to fail so the war escalates and Putin wins

 

[rightwinger]

What bargaining chips has Trumpfy ever had?
Let alone any that he he has now ?Which number zero .

You make up things for no clear reason .

Perhaps you continue to make up things because you have been doing so for such a long time .

NATO Membership
Increased military support
Guarantee of Ukraine security
Removal of sanctions

Trump should go to Alaska with a plan of Ukraine NATO membership by the end of the year unless Putin bargains in good faith

 

[rightwinger]

Trump wants to end the war.
Therefore - Democrats want the war to continue to infinity and every male Ukranian from the age of 10 - 60 are all dead.

FACT

Ukraine needs to make the decision of how much more they want to fight and what territory they are willing to surrender

Trumps desire for a Peace Prize should not come in to play

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Ukraine needs to make the decision of how much more they want to fight and what territory they are willing to surrender

Trumps desire for a Peace Prize should not come in to play

Trump wants to end the war.
Therefore - Democrats want the war to continue to infinity and every male Ukranian from the age of 10 - 60 are all dead.

FACT

 

[rightwinger]

Trump wants to end the war.
Therefore - Democrats want the war to continue to infinity and every male Ukranian from the age of 10 - 60 are all dead.

FACT

Ukraine needs to make that decision

In return for conceding territory they should be given a rock solid assurance of future security.
Trump is unwilling to offer that

 

[martybegan]

Ukraine needs to make that decision

In return for conceding territory they should be given a rock solid assurance of future security.
Trump is unwilling to offer that

If you rely entirely on outside aid to continue fighting, you don't have the ability to do so.

Right now we don't even know what the realistic terms each side would accept.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Ukraine needs to make that decision

In return for conceding territory they should be given a rock solid assurance of future security.
Trump is unwilling to offer that

Ukraine is held hostage by a flawed wannabe dictator, who is perfectly willing to cause WW III. Who is LITERALLY running out of bodies to throw into the front lines - millions of his citizens have fled the country, millions more in near starvation - and the Democrats only answer is to keep pumping $billions into a war that cannot be won - and keep going till there is no one in Ukraine left standing.
Because you hate Trump more than anything else. Anything.

 

[rightwinger]

If you rely entirely on outside aid to continue fighting, you don't have the ability to do so.

Right now we don't even know what the realistic terms each side would accept.

Very true
And that is the card Trump has to play with Putin

Unless you agree to serious concessions on territory and long term peace, we will provide Ukraine with NATO membership and more modern arms

Right now the only card Trump is playing is threatening an end to arms for Ukraine unless they surrender

 

[martybegan]

Very true
And that is the card Trump has to play with Putin

Unless you agree to serious concessions on territory and long term peace, we will provide Ukraine with NATO membership and more modern arms

Right now the only card Trump is playing is threatening an end to arms for Ukraine unless they surrender

When has Trump done that?

Sorry, but Europe is still paying for Russian oil and Gas even while they pretend they are trying to isolate Russia.

 

[rightwinger]

Ukraine is held hostage by a flawed wannabe dictator, who is perfectly willing to cause WW III. Who is LITERALLY running out of bodies to throw into the front lines - millions of his citizens have fled the country, millions more in near starvation - and the Democrats only answer is to keep pumping $billions into a war that cannot be won - and keep going till there is no one in Ukraine left standing.
Because you hate Trump more than anything else. Anything.

Zelensky is a hero who saved his country

When Putin invaded, most expected Ukraine to fold within days. Putin expected Zelensky to flee to the West allowing him to install a puppet government

Zelensky stayed put as Kiev was surrounded. His troops stood fast and drove back the Russian invaders

This is before the west supported him

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Zelensky is a hero who saved his country

When Putin invaded, most expected Ukraine to fold within days. Putin expected Zelensky to flee to the West allowing him to install a puppet government

Zelensky stayed put as Kiev was surrounded. His troops stood fast and drove back the Russian invaders

This is before the west supported him

Zelensky is an idiot who played tough guy with a maniac psychopath who leads a nation, whose military command are willing to sacrifice half their population to prove a point.
And a nation that has 5 times the population and 8 times the military size. Doing so - was - ALWAYS - going to end the same. Millions dead and they end up giving up land to Russia anyway.

The height of madness.