Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[danielpalos]

Well, that is not what your beer buddies here are telling to the internet. **** Mexican govt. we don't need them. We only do very small business in Mexico etc. etc. we can built then cheaper.
You want to alternate the existing trade agreement because it's no to your advantage? Let me make it simpler. We Americans need specific how to get this done. Not just blanked saying I will renegotiate.

I can't speak for beer drinking buddies of the poster you are addressing but I've not said "**** mexico we don't need them." I certainly haven't claimed we could build things cheaper... that is insane... we can't. Not unless you want to eliminate labor unions and the minimum wage... THEN we might be able to build things cheaper. We can't compete with the cost of labor anywhere, that is what has happened to all our decent-paying jobs.

Now... We have a problem with "free trade" because it's not fair to us right now... we can't compete because we're not on a level field. It's not because "free trade" is bad... it's not bad as long as it's fair.... when it's unfair, it's very bad. So why is it unfair? Because we've had our trade agreements negotiated by idiots, political hacks or "nice guys and gals" instead of 'killers' in negotiation. So we now have a collection of "deals" that have been made, which screw us. And... someone comes along and says the way we have to fix this is to renegotiate our deals... and you think that is "crazy talk!"

So what do you propose we do? I mean... I guess we can elect Hillary who is bought and paid for by lobbyists and corporatists who are making a fortune off our trade deals? Ignore the problem some more and pretend it's all the fault of those "evil rich people" and we need to tax them more and put more socialist burden on capitalism... is that your plan?

As you agreed we can't compete with other countries because of cheaper labor.
However re-negotiate a current agreement because we didn't like it or not to our advantage. Is a lot easier to say than done.
1. All 11 to 40 millions of illegals should be deported.
2. I will re-negotiate the trade agreement if they don't. I will penalized them.
The biggest problem for people like me or many others that rely on facts is. HOW, WHAT and WHERE are the specifics in accomplishing these kind of wet dreams? Not just saying. I will do this and that. He might as well say, I will stop the Niagara Falls using a bucket.
The very sad and very shocking but lots of people are buying into this like you.

Okay... so here is the thing... A GOOD negotiator is not going to tell you exactly how everything is going to happen. The very people who he would have to work with are listening... you understand this, right? So why does he want to tell them what and how he is going to do this? Does it give him some advantage to let them have a heads-up on what he has in mind? I don't think it does, it's kind of a bonehead strategy if you ask me.

He has explained to you in as much detail as you need to know, how he IS going to do this and how it CAN be done. And I think his supporters 100% believe he means it.

Not good enough. He is talking about tariffs there are no secret about tariffs negotiations. We are not talking a used car here.

Well I didn't say anything was secret. If you don't understand why it's wise to keep your cards close to the vest in negotiation, you're an idiot I can't help. I don't know what else to tell you... I'm sorry you're an idiot?

just another cost center instead of a profit center; how Capitalist is that.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Liberals want to run around waving a 1890 ruling pertaining to legal immigrants and make something "constitutional" by proclaiming it to be so! That was never the ruling in Wong, you are simply LYING to people. And there are some idiots on the GOP side who are stupid enough to buy into this crap. Let's move along...settled law...nothing we can do... BULLSHIT... It's ******* NOT settled law, it's NOT Constitutional, and BY GOD we're not going to have smoke blown up our ass by IDIOTS any more!

More than 100 years of American history that proves you wrong isn't smoke up your ass, dipshit.

 

[Jackson]

I can't speak for beer drinking buddies of the poster you are addressing but I've not said "**** mexico we don't need them." I certainly haven't claimed we could build things cheaper... that is insane... we can't. Not unless you want to eliminate labor unions and the minimum wage... THEN we might be able to build things cheaper. We can't compete with the cost of labor anywhere, that is what has happened to all our decent-paying jobs.

Now... We have a problem with "free trade" because it's not fair to us right now... we can't compete because we're not on a level field. It's not because "free trade" is bad... it's not bad as long as it's fair.... when it's unfair, it's very bad. So why is it unfair? Because we've had our trade agreements negotiated by idiots, political hacks or "nice guys and gals" instead of 'killers' in negotiation. So we now have a collection of "deals" that have been made, which screw us. And... someone comes along and says the way we have to fix this is to renegotiate our deals... and you think that is "crazy talk!"

So what do you propose we do? I mean... I guess we can elect Hillary who is bought and paid for by lobbyists and corporatists who are making a fortune off our trade deals? Ignore the problem some more and pretend it's all the fault of those "evil rich people" and we need to tax them more and put more socialist burden on capitalism... is that your plan?

As you agreed we can't compete with other countries because of cheaper labor.
However re-negotiate a current agreement because we didn't like it or not to our advantage. Is a lot easier to say than done.
1. All 11 to 40 millions of illegals should be deported.
2. I will re-negotiate the trade agreement if they don't. I will penalized them.
The biggest problem for people like me or many others that rely on facts is. HOW, WHAT and WHERE are the specifics in accomplishing these kind of wet dreams? Not just saying. I will do this and that. He might as well say, I will stop the Niagara Falls using a bucket.
The very sad and very shocking but lots of people are buying into this like you.

Okay... so here is the thing... A GOOD negotiator is not going to tell you exactly how everything is going to happen. The very people who he would have to work with are listening... you understand this, right? So why does he want to tell them what and how he is going to do this? Does it give him some advantage to let them have a heads-up on what he has in mind? I don't think it does, it's kind of a bonehead strategy if you ask me.

He has explained to you in as much detail as you need to know, how he IS going to do this and how it CAN be done. And I think his supporters 100% believe he means it.

Not good enough. He is talking about tariffs there are no secret about tariffs negotiations. We are not talking a used car here.

Well I didn't say anything was secret. If you don't understand why it's wise to keep your cards close to the vest in negotiation, you're an idiot I can't help. I don't know what else to tell you... I'm sorry you're an idiot?

just another cost center instead of a profit center; how Capitalist is that.

As they are deported, profit is realized.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Millions of children born in the USA to illegal immigrants have been granted citizenship, and been given all the privileges thereof, including the right to vote, for generations. Suddenly Trump says that he does not agree that this has been the correct interpretation of the law, and suddenly, all of his followers have decided that granting these millions of children with citizenship was simply an error in legal thinking. Therefore, as if by magic, Trump will be elected, and singlehandedly disenfranchise all of these people, in spite of legal precedent, Supreme Court rulings, State and federal law, etc., etc., etc.

And his followers actually believe that he can do this........

 

[PaintMyHouse]

As you agreed we can't compete with other countries because of cheaper labor.
However re-negotiate a current agreement because we didn't like it or not to our advantage. Is a lot easier to say than done.
1. All 11 to 40 millions of illegals should be deported.
2. I will re-negotiate the trade agreement if they don't. I will penalized them.
The biggest problem for people like me or many others that rely on facts is. HOW, WHAT and WHERE are the specifics in accomplishing these kind of wet dreams? Not just saying. I will do this and that. He might as well say, I will stop the Niagara Falls using a bucket.
The very sad and very shocking but lots of people are buying into this like you.

Okay... so here is the thing... A GOOD negotiator is not going to tell you exactly how everything is going to happen. The very people who he would have to work with are listening... you understand this, right? So why does he want to tell them what and how he is going to do this? Does it give him some advantage to let them have a heads-up on what he has in mind? I don't think it does, it's kind of a bonehead strategy if you ask me.

He has explained to you in as much detail as you need to know, how he IS going to do this and how it CAN be done. And I think his supporters 100% believe he means it.

Not good enough. He is talking about tariffs there are no secret about tariffs negotiations. We are not talking a used car here.

Well I didn't say anything was secret. If you don't understand why it's wise to keep your cards close to the vest in negotiation, you're an idiot I can't help. I don't know what else to tell you... I'm sorry you're an idiot?

just another cost center instead of a profit center; how Capitalist is that.

As they are deported, profit is realized.

Actually that would be profit, and property value, lost: Study: Immigration Reform, Economic Growth, and the Fiscal Challenge | Research

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Millions of children born in the USA to illegal immigrants have been granted citizenship, and been given all the privileges thereof, including the right to vote, for generations. Suddenly Trump says that he does not agree that this has been the correct interpretation of the law, and suddenly, all of his followers have decided that granting these millions of children with citizenship was simply an error in legal thinking. Therefore, as if by magic, Trump will be elected, and singlehandedly disenfranchise all of these people, in spite of legal precedent, Supreme Court rulings, State and federal law, etc., etc., etc.

And his followers actually believe that he can do this........

Trumpians are dumber than the fleas of dog shit unlike normal Americans, who are just dumber than dog shit.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Millions of children born in the USA to illegal immigrants have been granted citizenship, and been given all the privileges thereof, including the right to vote, for generations. Suddenly Trump says that he does not agree that this has been the correct interpretation of the law, and suddenly, all of his followers have decided that granting these millions of children with citizenship was simply an error in legal thinking. Therefore, as if by magic, Trump will be elected, and singlehandedly disenfranchise all of these people, in spite of legal precedent, Supreme Court rulings, State and federal law, etc., etc., etc.

And his followers actually believe that he can do this........

Using birth right citizenship has outlived it's usefulness. So yes it's time to cut it off.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Using birth right citizenship has outlived it's usefulness. So yes it's time to cut it off.

You got yours so what the hell, eh ******* Mike? There's only one problem, you'll need a Constitutional Amendment. Any plans on how to get such a thing? Are the new brown babies worth less than say, you, Beaner?

Just out of curiosity, what was its "usefulness"? And I wonder will they, unlike you, be able to write in proper English?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Using birth right citizenship has outlived it's usefulness. So yes it's time to cut it off.

You got yours so what the hell, eh ******* Mike? There's only one problem, you'll need a Constitutional Amendment. Any plans on how to get such a thing? Are the new brown babies worth less than say, you, Beaner?

And just out of courisity, what was its "usefulness"?

Still the most racist piece of shit on the board aren't you?

There is no amendment needed the court only has to uphold the law as written. Illegal's aren't citizens unless their parents are subject to the jurisdiction of the US government. We've ignored that part for far too long.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

There is no amendment needed the court only has to uphold the law as written. Illegal's aren't citizens unless their parents are subject to the jurisdiction of the US government. We've ignored that part for far too long.

Ah, but their parents aren't mentioned now are they?

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Looks like the court is upholding that exactly as written, now isn't it my little *******...

 

[Unkotare]

 

[Vandalshandle]

There is no amendment needed the court only has to uphold the law as written. Illegal's aren't citizens unless their parents are subject to the jurisdiction of the US government. We've ignored that part for far too long.

Ah, but their parents aren't mentioned now are they?

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Looks like the court is upholding that exactly as written, now isn't it my little *******...

But, Trumpettes say that the constitution does not mean what it says. It means something that it doesn't say.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

But, Trumpettes say that the constitution does not mean what it says. It means something that it doesn't say.

I've noticed that. Quite remarkable since it's petty damn clear and that's the law of the land currently: The GOP’s Birthright Citizenship Flip-Flop

And, it was a GOP idea. That damn Lincoln fellow and company again. Boy do they hate his guts, for freeing the slaves and such...

 

[oreo]

I know--we can do a "TURN IN AN ILLEGAL"--telethon!. Just like Jerry Lewis does for St. Judes Hospital.

We can have telephone operators on stand-by answering all the phones in the background--with Donald Trump lining up the entertainment. We could have Gestapo squads ready at a moments notice to go and round up one-based on the phone call.

 

[Boss]

It's funny how he tells American people Mexicans are rapist, murderers etc. Then followed by I love Mexicans they are good people they love me. LOL.,

He didn't tell people Mexicans are rapist, murderers etc. He said this is largely what we have coming across the border and he is correct. The media, the left and establishment right attempted to mislead America into thinking he said something he did not say. Your still lying about it, all this time later.

But it's okay, Trump can handle unscrupulous people who play dirty.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I know--we can do a "TURN IN AN ILLEGAL"--telethon!. Just like Jerry Lewis does for St. Judes Hospital.

We can have telephone operators on stand-by answering all the phones in the background--with Donald Trump lining up the entertainment. We could have Gestapo squads ready at a moments notice to go and round up one-based on the phone call.

Love it. That would have Caitlyn Jenner in Lesbian Prison Cage Match ratings, with little brown baby perp crawls...

Oh shit, Jose, they're onto us. We'd better taco run to the border...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

A Trumpian wet-dream:

Deport, deport, you little crib-sheet wetting terrorist...

 

[Boss]

what if it is simply more convenient to stay here because we are losing money on Commerce at our borders with silly and expensive, naturalization laws.

What the hell are you talking about? You're not even making any damn sense... just incoherent rambling, like some kind of illiterate retard. You don't even know the meaning of the words you're using. I don't know, maybe the above statement made sense when it was rattling around inside your empty little head?

Look... MORON... We cannot BE a nation without borders. If that's what we are, we cease to be a sovereign nation. We can't just throw open our doors and let anyone come who wants to come... this isn't some ******* hippy commune.

I'm sorry if that upsets you. I am sorry if you think that is racist. I am sorry if you think I just don't like brown people. You can not like me and think bad things about me but we're still going to secure the border.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

what if it is simply more convenient to stay here because we are losing money on Commerce at our borders with silly and expensive, naturalization laws.

What the hell are you talking about? You're not even making any damn sense... just incoherent rambling, like some kind of illiterate retard. You don't even know the meaning of the words you're using. I don't know, maybe the above statement made sense when it was rattling around inside your empty little head?

Look... MORON... We cannot BE a nation without borders. If that's what we are, we cease to be a sovereign nation. We can't just throw open our doors and let anyone come who wants to come... this isn't some ******* hippy commune.

I'm sorry if that upsets you. I am sorry if you think that is racist. I am sorry if you think I just don't like brown people. You can not like me and think bad things about me but we're still going to secure the border.

Answer post #1370, and for 60 years the border hasn't been closed. Good luck, Chuck, you'll need it. That, money, and a shitload of private property.

 

[Boss]

But, Trumpettes say that the constitution does not mean what it says. It means something that it doesn't say.

I've noticed that. Quite remarkable since it's petty damn clear and that's the law of the land currently: The GOP’s Birthright Citizenship Flip-Flop

And, it was a GOP idea. That damn Lincoln fellow and company again. Boy do they hate his guts, for freeing the slaves and such...

Sorry but you and Politico don't arbitrarily decide law of the land. The Constitution does not confer birthright citizenship, the SCOTUS has never ruled on such and it would not matter if they did because they don't have the power to establish naturalization laws.

You are flat out LYING to the people... trying to make something a Constitutional right that simply isn't a Constitutional right. You are grossly misinterpreting the Constitution as well as case law, to try and insinuate this is settled law... it's not. You're wrong! I've showed you why you're wrong and still you insist on lying.