Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[paddymurphy]

We can easily the illegals on government assistance & export them A.S.A.P. This will save us way more than $200 billion.

There are no illegals on public assistance. How many times do you idiots have to have it explained to you that they are not eligible for public assistance?

It is spent on Public Schools, lunch programs, snap and Medicaid.
Also stolen SSI numbers in order to collect SSI benefits.

Thanks for being honest, but really Medicaid SSI go to children who are citizens. And, children who are here illegally can't be denied educational services. Imo, that's not the way the law should be, but ... it is what it is. In short, the assertion that illegal aliens are a sponge for welfare is as ill founded as the bs that Trump can make Mexico pay for a fence.

You are not figuring in increased tariffs on imports from Mexico, which is what he is talking about.

We have treaty obligations that would prevent that. And we do that, and they do it as well. Now we lose jobs. You people are idiots.

 

[paddymurphy]

There are no illegals on public assistance. How many times do you idiots have to have it explained to you that they are not eligible for public assistance?

It is spent on Public Schools, lunch programs, snap and Medicaid.
Also stolen SSI numbers in order to collect SSI benefits.

Thanks for being honest, but really Medicaid SSI go to children who are citizens. And, children who are here illegally can't be denied educational services. Imo, that's not the way the law should be, but ... it is what it is. In short, the assertion that illegal aliens are a sponge for welfare is as ill founded as the bs that Trump can make Mexico pay for a fence.

You are not figuring in increased tariffs on imports from Mexico, which is what he is talking about.

No can do, gringo. No tariffs with Nafta. We gotta a treaty and we take you to court. (-:

8. How did NAFTA affect tariff rates within North America?
On January 1, 2008, the last remaining tariffs were removed within North America. When implemented, NAFTA immediately lifted tariffs on the majority of goods produced by the NAFTA partners and called for the phased elimination, over 15 years, of most remaining barriers to cross-border investment and to the movement of goods and services between the three countries.
Frequently Asked Questions NAFTANow.org

Yes and we need to get rid of it just like the AHCA.

Right. Destroy our economy to get rid of the brown people.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Dude, you are full of shite on the court thing. Link or die.

We give mexico 50 million a year. That's not gonna build a fence. We could put bigger fees on visas, and they could make cancun more expensive. In short, the Donald is full of shite on this, and you've got neither a link nor a clue. Out.

Domestic courts or other, could get involved. There are avenues that can be pursued. But it looks like you just want the status quo. You want the illegal invasion to continue. Change scares the hell out of you. You've either given up, or just hate your own country, But regardless, pushing for obeying the law of the land is a noble cause. So I wish Trump the best of luck.

Jesus but you are stupid. Perfect Trump supporter. The 11 million folks who are here without permission are not criminals, they are not on public assistance and they are not invaders. The only rational approach is the one supported by most Americans; a path to permanent residency for most and deportation for the criminals element. Trump has not offered any explanation as to how he is going to deport 11 million people and the 2 to 3 million children of those 11 million who are US citizens. But, he can count on morons like you to cheer on his empty promises.

They are criminals under U.S. Law. You know, we do actually have Immigration Laws. I know most of you have forgotten that, but we really do. They were put in place for very important reasons. And just because our corrupt Politicians have chosen not to enforce the laws, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Trump's merely suggesting Government begin enforcing the law. If that makes him 'Evil' in your eyes, so be it. It's time to end the Illegal Invasion. Period, end of story.

They are not criminals under US law. It is not a criminal offense to be here without permission. Many entered lawfully with visa's and simply did not leave. That is not a crime. And the law is enforced. You can repeat that lie again and again but is remains a ******* lie. Trump is not an idiot, but he appeals to them.

I agree Trump is merely pandering, but how can a person overstaying a visa not be committing a criminal act?

It is a misdemeanor, which is equivalent to getting a ticket for exceeding the speed limit.

 

[paulitician]

They are criminals under U.S. Law. You know, we do actually have Immigration Laws. I know most of you have forgotten that, but we really do. They were put in place for very important reasons. And just because our corrupt Politicians have chosen not to enforce the laws, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Trump's merely suggesting Government begin enforcing the law. If that makes him 'Evil' in your eyes, so be it. It's time to end the Illegal Invasion. Period, end of story.

I'd just prefer that politicans' proposals be based upon what is actually possible and not be bs spun to humor idiots who prefer emotion to actually governing.

Pushing for obeying the law is not 'bs.' That's where you're going wrong. You've become so conditioned to accept your Government disobeying the law, you're outraged someone is actually suggesting following the law.

Well, get over your conditioned outrage and support doing right. It's time to restore the Rule of Law. And if Trump's the guy to accomplish that, so be it. Someone's gotta do it.

Bullhshte Paul. Trump is simply not putting forth a credible plan. That's not the same as saying the status quo is all groovy.

His plan is absolutely credible. All the other plans are Bullshit. He's gonna enforce the Law of the Land and secure our Border. That's as credible as it gets. I'm done listening to Bullshitters spew the same ole tired nonsense. They do nothing.

Trump's proposing doing something. This Illegal Invasion has to end. The Law has to be restored. Anything other than that, isn't credible at all.

What plan? He has not offered a plan. A plan would include proposed legislation; budgetary numbers; specific descriptions of what will be done. His "plan" has none of that. The other plans include bipartisan legislation that the Republicans stopped to prevent the President from getting any credit. That plan included specific legislation and all of the things Trump lacks.

Secure the Border and restore the Law of the Land. A far better plan than what you guys are proposing. He has my full support.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Trump seems to think that all you have to do is to pick Juan up off the street and drive him to Nuevo Laredo. He seems to have forgotten details, like the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first (for which we would most likely have to pay Juan's attorney).

That's ok, we can confiscate everything Juan has to help pay the bill. Fruits of an ongoing criminal enterprise don'cha know.

Confiscation of Juan's assets for a misdemeanor? Then let's do the same thing for people who roll a stop sign.

Sorry bubba, a continuing criminal enterprise is a felony, conspiring to remain in the US is a felony, working with stolen identities or forged documents is a felony, aiding and abetting others to remain in the US is a felony, I could go on but you're really not worth it.

"Conspiring to remain in the US" is a felony? Care to share a link on that, pal?

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)



"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

<snip>

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.

Aiding abetting harboring encouraging illegals a felony

My bold

These crimes are limited to US citizens, illegals can be charged with them as well.

That's odd. I don't see a single thing in the above law that makes the illegal alien a felon. Just those that knowingly aid and assist them, like employers.

try again.

 

[peach174]

They are criminals under U.S. Law. You know, we do actually have Immigration Laws. I know most of you have forgotten that, but we really do. They were put in place for very important reasons. And just because our corrupt Politicians have chosen not to enforce the laws, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Trump's merely suggesting Government begin enforcing the law. If that makes him 'Evil' in your eyes, so be it. It's time to end the Illegal Invasion. Period, end of story.

I'd just prefer that politicans' proposals be based upon what is actually possible and not be bs spun to humor idiots who prefer emotion to actually governing.

Pushing for obeying the law is not 'bs.' That's where you're going wrong. You've become so conditioned to accept your Government disobeying the law, you're outraged someone is actually suggesting following the law.

Well, get over your conditioned outrage and support doing right. It's time to restore the Rule of Law. And if Trump's the guy to accomplish that, so be it. Someone's gotta do it.

Bullhshte Paul. Trump is simply not putting forth a credible plan. That's not the same as saying the status quo is all groovy.

His plan is absolutely credible. All the other plans are Bullshit. He's gonna enforce the Law of the Land and secure our Border. That's as credible as it gets. I'm done listening to Bullshitters spew the same ole tired nonsense. They do nothing.

Trump's proposing doing something. This Illegal Invasion has to end. The Law has to be restored. Anything other than that, isn't credible at all.

What plan? He has not offered a plan. A plan would include proposed legislation; budgetary numbers; specific descriptions of what will be done. His "plan" has none of that. The other plans include bipartisan legislation that the Republicans stopped to prevent the President from getting any credit. That plan included specific legislation and all of the things Trump lacks.

Too bad that the ones who voted for Obama twice did not do the same thing with his hope and change.

 

[bedowin62]

We can easily the illegals on government assistance & export them A.S.A.P. This will save us way more than $200 billion.

There are no illegals on public assistance. How many times do you idiots have to have it explained to you that they are not eligible for public assistance?

It is spent on Public Schools, lunch programs, snap and Medicaid.
Also stolen SSI numbers in order to collect SSI benefits.

Thanks for being honest, but really Medicaid SSI go to children who are citizens. And, children who are here illegally can't be denied educational services. Imo, that's not the way the law should be, but ... it is what it is. In short, the assertion that illegal aliens are a sponge for welfare is as ill founded as the bs that Trump can make Mexico pay for a fence.

You are not figuring in increased tariffs on imports from Mexico, which is what he is talking about.

We have treaty obligations that would prevent that. And we do that, and they do it as well. Now we lose jobs. You people are idiots.

that's funny, because you left-wng nutjobs call for the same thing to be done to China, for different reasons

 

[Vandalshandle]

We can easily the illegals on government assistance & export them A.S.A.P. This will save us way more than $200 billion.

There are no illegals on public assistance. How many times do you idiots have to have it explained to you that they are not eligible for public assistance?

It is spent on Public Schools, lunch programs, snap and Medicaid.
Also stolen SSI numbers in order to collect SSI benefits.

Thanks for being honest, but really Medicaid SSI go to children who are citizens. And, children who are here illegally can't be denied educational services. Imo, that's not the way the law should be, but ... it is what it is. In short, the assertion that illegal aliens are a sponge for welfare is as ill founded as the bs that Trump can make Mexico pay for a fence.

You are not figuring in increased tariffs on imports from Mexico, which is what he is talking about.

Like Ford automobiles that are assembled there to sell in America, and Trump's own line of suits.....?.

 

[bedowin62]

That's ok, we can confiscate everything Juan has to help pay the bill. Fruits of an ongoing criminal enterprise don'cha know.

Confiscation of Juan's assets for a misdemeanor? Then let's do the same thing for people who roll a stop sign.

Sorry bubba, a continuing criminal enterprise is a felony, conspiring to remain in the US is a felony, working with stolen identities or forged documents is a felony, aiding and abetting others to remain in the US is a felony, I could go on but you're really not worth it.

"Conspiring to remain in the US" is a felony? Care to share a link on that, pal?

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)



"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

<snip>

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.

Aiding abetting harboring encouraging illegals a felony

My bold

These crimes are limited to US citizens, illegals can be charged with them as well.

That's odd. I don't see a single thing in the above law that makes the illegal alien a felon. Just those that knowingly aid and assist them, like employers.

try again.

illegals are murdering American citizens on a regular basis. nothing put in the faces of the left-wing losers that post here will stop them from wanting to pander to illegals

 

[Vandalshandle]

Whatever, Bed.....

 

[bedowin62]

love the idiotic Left's circular logic! who do they think did those jobs "nobody wants to do" before there were millions of illegals here?

 

[mudwhistle]

Trump seems to think that all you have to do is to pick Juan up off the street and drive him to Nuevo Laredo. He seems to have forgotten details, like the constitutionally required trial, and conviction, first (for which we would most likely have to pay Juan's attorney).

That's ok, we can confiscate everything Juan has to help pay the bill. Fruits of an ongoing criminal enterprise don'cha know.

Confiscation of Juan's assets for a misdemeanor? Then let's do the same thing for people who roll a stop sign.

Sorry bubba, a continuing criminal enterprise is a felony, conspiring to remain in the US is a felony, working with stolen identities or forged documents is a felony, aiding and abetting others to remain in the US is a felony, I could go on but you're really not worth it.

"Conspiring to remain in the US" is a felony? Care to share a link on that, pal?

Entering illegally is a misdemeanor......failure to appear for your court date is a felony ...returning after deportation is a felony.

 

[Vandalshandle]

i suspect that it would be very difficult to tell the difference between a Trump political rally, and a WWW match, complete with folding metal chairs flying through the air....

 

[Boss]

And I would be delighted to see their response when Trump sends them a bill.....

Yes, their "response" might be fascinating. I especially want to see the response from that little liberal Mexican congressmen who gets his panties in a wad every time someone mentions deporting illegals. It's going to be loads of fun to watch liberal heads explode over what Trump does.

100% guaranteed.. Mexico will pay for the wall. Those who don't believe it can sit back and watch it happen. You might learn something about leverage and negotiation.

 

[Boss]

How much of a tax increase will you agree to to deport 11 million people? 20%? 25%?

None. Not needed. Tariffs on Mexican exports to the US will work just fine.

 

[Boss]

He is proposing changing the law. He is suggesting that he has some magic ability to make Mexico pay hundreds of millions of dollars to build a wall that is wholly unnecessary. And most Americans want the law to change so that millions of undocumented are allowed to stay and earn the right to permanent, legal residency.

There is nothing magical about it whatsoever. Mexico depends on the US market for billions upon billions in commerce every year. They would literally starve to death without us buying their products. They made some sweet deals with many American companies through NAFTA and things are actually looking up for them after decades of struggle.

Now Trump says, they'll probably just fork over the money no questions asked. Oh, they will whine and moan... pull at our heartstrings, get you libtards worked into a frenzy... scared of your own shadows... but in the end, our trade is worth far more than that wall will cost. They'll pay for it.

 

[Vandalshandle]

And I would be delighted to see their response when Trump sends them a bill.....

Yes, their "response" might be fascinating. I especially want to see the response from that little liberal Mexican congressmen who gets his panties in a wad every time someone mentions deporting illegals. It's going to be loads of fun to watch liberal heads explode over what Trump does.

100% guaranteed.. Mexico will pay for the wall. Those who don't believe it can sit back and watch it happen. You might learn something about leverage and negotiation.

Boss, arn't you missing the main event on WWW?

 

[Vandalshandle]

How much of a tax increase will you agree to to deport 11 million people? 20%? 25%?

None. Not needed. Tariffs on Mexican exports to the US will work just fine.

Sorry Boss. We have a treaty with Mexico on that. It is called NAFTA. It was in all the papers. No such tariffs allowed. Besides, we would just have to pay them ourselves. Most of what Mexico produces, food, automobiles, etc., is sold back to us, so they just tack it on to your new Ford SUV. There is a trainload of them coming past my community from Nogales every other night.

 

[Boss]

How much of a tax increase will you agree to to deport 11 million people? 20%? 25%?

None. Not needed. Tariffs on Mexican exports to the US will work just fine.

Sorry Boss. We have a treaty with Mexico on that. It is called NAFTA. It was in all the papers. No such tariffs allowed. Besides, we would just have to pay them ourselves. Most of what Mexico produces, food, automobiles, etc., is sold back to us, so they just tack it on to your new Ford SUV. There is a trainload of them coming past my community from Nogales every other night.

Well there is nothing in NAFTA that says "no tariffs allowed" and we still have tariffs on many agricultural exports to Mexico. Also, trade agreements are not carved in stone and send down from the mountains by a prophet... they are trade agreements. They can be modified, cancelled, replaced, etc. We also send billions in aid to Mexico... nothing in NAFTA says we have to keep doing that.

Now... IF Ford wants to jack up the price of their Mexican SUVs by 35%... I would think you libtards would LOVE that! In any event, that would be their decision... maybe they relocate back to the US in order to avoid the tariff?

 

[Boss]

Boss, arn't you missing the main event on WWW?

Busy watching Bedtime for Bonzo.