Trump’s Continuing Election Fraud Lies.

[BlindBoo]

I agree. Having SanFranNan as temporary president would NOT sit well at all.

Lots of reasons WHY those Trump suites failed. But none of that means that all those last minute ILLEGAL voting rule changes didn't open up a GIANT loopholes for cheating..

The Repubs were busy running a campaign. The Dems were hiding Biden in the BASEMENT because all their time and money was spent on dismantling the SECURITY and ACCURACY of the election.. That was THEIR campaign..

Dont believe me? Read that left leaning Time Mag article of them BRAGGING about exactly how they DESIGNED and MANUFACTURED that record number of votes with help from the unions and the techno-fascists and hundreds of Millions of dollars in dark money donations.

Rule changes were done in states controlled by both parties and none were illegal nor did any of them open avenues for widespread voter fraud.

 

[flacaltenn]

In terms of election laws that exist now, what is this 'full technical forensic audit'?

It's not really about counting ballots. They do that to start.. It's about using microscopes to compare inks and paper. It's about advanced image processing (right up MY alley) to CORRELATE signatures and find duplicates. Its about going out and ASKING folks at apartment buildings what happened to their ballots. It's about finding ballots that were never "sent out". Checking MAIL INs that had never been folded into an envelope against the LOGS of the counters to make sure "duplicated mail ins are legit. Hundreds of little details that anyone would need to know to sort this out and estimate the damage that these temporary ILLEGAL and lax "covid laws" created in the 2020 election.

 

[flacaltenn]

Rule changes were done in states controlled by both parties and none were illegal nor did any of them open avenues for widespread voter fraud.

Nope. The COURTS over-rode both their STATE and Federal laws (constitutions) by USURPING the authority of their legislatures because --- Covid.. If you dont know this, it's no wonder you're not concerned.

 

[flacaltenn]

A full “forensic audit audit?” Honestly, give me a break. The Almighty himself could come down and proclaim Biden won and you would still not be satisfied. Enough already!

Read my post above.. I just educated you about the IMPORTANT diffs between full forensic audits and "recounts or canvassing".

 

[candycorn]

Were they requiring signature MATCHING and IDs? Tossing them if they didn't have the 2nd security envelope? Then I have much less of an issue.. When you MASS MAIL -- any single "harvester" could easily score a couple thousand ballots just dumpster diving.. Maybe 15% of these mass mailed ballots "Domino Pizza Coupons". And if there's a signature -- is it UNIQUE to registered person at that address? Because the Maricopa audit found 140 EXACT DUPLICATE signatures out of 2100 ballots inspected.

That's the kinda hell that Pelosi and the Bidenistas wanted to MAKE PERMANENT and FEDERALIZED with their failed H.R.1 bill.. You WANT to cheat dontcha?

These were mass mailings...to every registered voter. Five states have done dozens of elections like this. Never once have we heard any peep from Trump or any of his worshipers like you about any infractions....

Are you under the mistaken impression that the states were just mailing ballots to every address? Because if you are; you are wrong. As usual.

 

[candycorn]

Read my post above.. I just educated you about the IMPORTANT diffs between full forensic audits and "recounts or canvassing".

Your opinion doesn't educate anyone because you are inherently mis/uninformed.

 

[JLW]

False. To help lift you up to a discussion level -- "a valid cause of action" -- IS the remedy., And in most ALL of those cases -- it was in the papers filed as "decertifying or halting the certifications".. Essentially asking the courts to put the entire national election in limbo for what could easily be a year or more.. What those litigants WANTED was nothing the lower courts would ever sanction. Those suites were NOT ABOUT shoring up the holes THOSE SAME lower courts ILLEGALLY created less than 90 days BEFORE the election.. So that there was NO TIME to challenge those verdicts prior to the election..


Go read what I said again with that "remedy" to your cluelessness.

With all due respect you are confused. Most Courts refused to decertify the elections because the Plaintiff’s pleadings were defective, moot or based on untrue and false information:

In re Bowyer, No. 20-858 (S. Ct.)​

(electoral college)​

Complaint Filed: December 2, 2020

State: Arizona

Current Status or Final Disposition: Petition for Writ of Mandamus Denied (March 1, 2021)

Summary: Plaintiffs, Republican Party nominees to be Presidential Electors for Arizona, filed suit against Arizona Governor Ducey and Arizona Secretary of State Hobbs. The plaintiffs argued that the Arizona election had violated the Elections and Electors Clauses, the Equal Protection Clause, and the Due Process Clause of the U.S. Constitution, as well as state election law. The allegations included fabricated ballots and fraudulent use of the election system’s hardware. The plaintiffs also sought a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction to prevent the governor from transmitting the certified election results to the Electoral College. The U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona granted the defendants’ motions to dismiss the case, concluding that the court could not decertify the election results in the state and that accusations of election fraud “that find favor in the public sphere of gossip and innuendo cannot be a substitute for earnest pleadings and procedure in federal court.” The plaintiffs then filed an emergency petition for extraordinary writ of mandamus with the U.S. Supreme Court on December 15, 2020. In January 2021, the Supreme Court denied the motion to expedite consideration of the case without issuing an opinion. On March 1, the Court denied the petition for writ of mandamus without issuing an opinion.

King v. Whitmer, No. 20-815 (S. Ct.)​

(fraud and vote dilution)​

Complaint Filed: November 25, 2020
State: Michigan
Current Status or Final Disposition: Briefs in Opposition to Petition for Writ of Certiorari Filed (January 14, 2021)
Summary: Plaintiffs, a group of Michigan voters and nominees of the Republican Party to be presidential electors in Michigan, brought suit against Michigan Governor Whitmer and other state officials, alleging widespread voter fraud and various violations of Michigan voting law. The plaintiffs then filed a First Amended Complaint on November 29, alleging various constitutional violations under 42 U.S.C. section 1983 of: (1) the Elections and Electors Clauses, (2) the Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection Clause, and (3) the Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause. The plaintiffs also alleged a violation of the Michigan Election Code. The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan denied the plaintiffs’ motion in its entirety, finding that Michigan had already certified its election results and that the court did not have the power to undo them. The court concluded by noting that the suit “seems less about achieving the relief Plaintiffs seek—as much of that relief is beyond the power of this Court—and more about the impact of their allegations on People’s faith in the democratic process and their trust in our government.” The plaintiffs petitioned for a writ of certiorari with the U.S. Supreme Court on December 11, 2020, and then filed a motion for expedited consideration a week later. On January 11, 2020, the Court denied the plaintiffs’ motion to expedite without issuing an opinion. A few days later, the respondents filed their briefs in opposition to the petition. In their briefs, the respondents argued that the petitioners’ appeal of their denied motion for a preliminary injunction to prevent counting Michigan’s electoral votes should be dismissed as moot, and that the petitioners were, in any case, not entitled to the injunction because they did not demonstrate a strong likelihood of success on the merits of their claims that the 2020 General Election in Michigan had violated the Equal Protection, Due Process, and Electors and Elections Clauses.


There are many cases along this vain. Your argument that Trump lost because the Courts were afraid of putting the election ”in limbo” was not justification in any case that I read. If it were, it was a small minority of cases.

Trump’s attorneys are facing disbarment because they lied to the court and abused the court system. What is it about that you can’t understand? If they had any meritorious justification for their bullshit lawsuits , they would not be facing the ultimate legal sanction for an attorney,

 

[flacaltenn]

The U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona granted the defendants’ motions to dismiss the case, concluding that the court could not decertify the election results in the state and that accusations of election fraud “that find favor in the public sphere of gossip and innuendo cannot be a substitute for earnest pleadings and procedure in federal court.

There's TWO reasons given here. Their 1st reason validates EVERYTHING I've said.. The 2nd is subjective and biased opinion not characteristic of judges who have HEARD NO EVIDENCE...

 

[JLW]

There's TWO reasons given here. Their 1st reason validates EVERYTHING I've said.. The 2nd is subjective and biased opinion not characteristic of judges who have HEARD NO EVIDENCE...

As I understand it, the Court indicated they could not decertify the elections because the Court could not decertify election results after they have been certified, not because it would keep the election in limbo as you argue. As far as the second Part, your ire is misdirected. The fault lies not with the judge and multiple justices who found the Plaintiff’s pleadings defective, but the piss poor attorneys who filed their pleadings with ”innuendo and gossip” instead of facts.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger responds to a letter sent 3 days ago from former President Trump asking him to decertify the 2020 election.

Decertify the 'Illegitimate' Election, Says Man Under Investigation for Election Interference

Trump sent a letter to the Georgia secretary of state calling the election "illegitimate" and asking him "decertify" the results.

www.rollingstone.com

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Trump continues to push the Big Lie. The loser just can’t accept the fact that he lost and was thrown out on his ass by the American people.

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Hey, when you stop lying, we'll stop. Time to play the game!

(now imagine a future where that is even remotely possible)

 

[JLW]

Hey, when you stop lying, we'll stop. Time to play the game!

(now imagine a future where that is even remotely possible)

is that the best you can do, boy?

 

[TemplarKormac]

is that the best you can do, boy?

Indeed, because it's the best you can do.

 

[JohnDB]

Even when Trump's poll numbers and Job approval/disapprove were at their lowest they still didn't have the low numbers that Joe Biden currently has.

It's time for people (Democrats) to admit that Joe Biden is hated more than Trump.

From the failure in Afghanistan to the border crisis failure to the absolute laughing stock made at the UN and the ignoring of what the American people really want... nevermind the rising scandal surrounding Hunter Biden where they basically sold and extorted access to the white house...

If they were to hold the election again today or even the Democratic primary he wouldn't stand a chance of getting elected.

 

[Clipper]

That the AZ audit released on Friday will document both massive fraud by traitor Joe and a trump landslide.....

Hopefully, you Trump asslickers are enjoying that shit sandwich. Trump is buying.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's not really about counting ballots. They do that to start.. It's about using microscopes to compare inks and paper. It's about advanced image processing (right up MY alley) to CORRELATE signatures and find duplicates. Its about going out and ASKING folks at apartment buildings what happened to their ballots. It's about finding ballots that were never "sent out". Checking MAIL INs that had never been folded into an envelope against the LOGS of the counters to make sure "duplicated mail ins are legit. Hundreds of little details that anyone would need to know to sort this out and estimate the damage that these temporary ILLEGAL and lax "covid laws" created in the 2020 election.

You sound like you have experience in this matter.

 

[BlindBoo]

Nope. The COURTS over-rode both their STATE and Federal laws (constitutions) by USURPING the authority of their legislatures because --- Covid.. If you dont know this, it's no wonder you're not concerned.

It's not really about counting ballots. They do that to start.. It's about using microscopes to compare inks and paper. It's about advanced image processing (right up MY alley) to CORRELATE signatures and find duplicates. Its about going out and ASKING folks at apartment buildings what happened to their ballots. It's about finding ballots that were never "sent out". Checking MAIL INs that had never been folded into an envelope against the LOGS of the counters to make sure "duplicated mail ins are legit. Hundreds of little details that anyone would need to know to sort this out and estimate the damage that these temporary ILLEGAL and lax "covid laws" created in the 2020 election.

You mean in most cases the courts upheld the rule changes by both parties in most all the states.

So basically nothing in terms of the election laws will you find any legal use of the term.

 

[lennypartiv]

These were mass mailings...to every registered voter. Five states have done dozens of elections like this. Never once have we heard any peep from Trump or any of his worshipers like you about any infractions....

Trump had the lead on election night. Then when ballots mysteriously appeared after midnight, Biden took the lead. We know the election was stolen.

 

[candycorn]

Trump had the lead on election night. Then when ballots mysteriously appeared after midnight, Biden took the lead. We know the election was stolen.

Gee, that must be frustrating that nobody believes you and you can't come up with any proof at all.

Well...sucks to be you but then again...you've known that your entire "life".

 

[lennypartiv]

Gee, that must be frustrating that nobody believes you and you can't come up with any proof at all.

Well...sucks to be you but then again...you've known that your entire "life".

Oh geez we all saw it happen on TV.

 

[Mac1958]

Even when Trump's poll numbers and Job approval/disapprove were at their lowest they still didn't have the low numbers that Joe Biden currently has.

Link?