Trump’s ‘5 percent down’ plan for Europe

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Note: this is an opinion piece not a news piece. One of Trump's statements/proposals is that NATO members must increase spending to 5% of GDP. This is being any spending except potentially Poland at this point, and more than the US (~3%). It would effectively return national spending to the level of the Cold War (5% - 10% of GDP).
Thoughts? My personal opinion: an increase of all member states to 4% would put military spending substantially higher than Imperial Russia. At the same time it the US should sunset its commitment to NATO (say a 5 year sunset to build up forces), and frankly needs to reposition from conflict in the PAcific as well.

Five and dime stores are now a thing of the past in the U.S. But if the reporting in the Financial Times is accurate, President-elect Trump is signaling to NATO member-states that they must spend 5 percent of their gross domestic product (GDP) annually on defense if they want U.S. support.

That is a big ask. As of June 2024, of the 32 NATO countries, eight were still far short of the 2 percent of GDP threshold. Only Poland exceeds 4 percent.


That may be sufficient in peacetime, but Russia and its Axis of Evil allies are knocking on the door. What’s more, the European continent is already engaged in an active hybrid war with Russia involving espionage, sabotage, cyber-attacks, assassinations and disinformation.

Nor is it adequate for what is likely to come in the next decade. The Kremlin is rapidly preparing an even larger kinetic war against Europe.

Andrei Belousov, the Russian defense chief, underscored the urgency of the latter point when he announced earlier this month that Russia must be ready for a direct “military conflict with NATO in the next ten years.”

To get there and to win the war in Ukraine, Moscow announced in September that it was raising defense spending by 25 percent in 2025, to 6.3 percent of its GDP. That is 1.5 times current U.S. defense spending as a share of GDP, and three times NATO’s present median.

Russia is on a war footing, but many NATO countries remain in denial of what lies ahead — or, as in the case of Slovakia and Hungary, they are prioritizing economic security over long-term national security.

Canada, a key NORAD partner, currently only spends 1.4 percent of its GDP on defense. Belgium, home to NATO’s headquarters, is even worse, spending only 1.1 percent.


Consequently, Europe is vulnerable. That goes double if Russia, in its eventual war with NATO, weaponizes European civilians by intentionally attacking hospitals, energy grids, schools and historic cultural sites, as he has all across across Ukraine.

Leaked NATO reports from last May are alarming. Brussels is estimating that NATO member-states are currently only “able to provide less than 5 percent of air defense capacities deemed necessary to protect its members in central and eastern Europe against a full-scale attack.”
 
Doubt that the US could get their first war win in over a century whatever they spend.
They seem to lack heart and committment .Too many LGBTQ ?

It's no good taking on professional armies like Russia with inferior equipment which is all the US does these days .
Or , hides at home and gerts proxies to do their dirty work -- also unsuccessfully .
 
Trump should just cut down our military spending and let NATO worry about it
So, the best place to cut that would be aid to Israel.

They get something like $3 billion a year, and we only send nato around $500 million.

And frankly I think we get more "bang for the buck" so to speak with NATO.
 
Doubt that the US could get their first war win in over a century whatever they spend.
They seem to lack heart and committment .Too many LGBTQ ?

It's no good taking on professional armies like Russia with inferior equipment which is all the US does these days .
Or , hides at home and gerts proxies to do their dirty work -- also unsuccessfully .
Russia can’t even beat Ukraine
 
Trump never said that. He always said that NATO members should pay their fair share but the 5% stuff is spin from something called the Financial Times which was picked up and spun again by the left leaning "The Hill".
 
The US abandoning NATO is madness; fascist Russia is the true threat – along with Trump, Putin’s useful idiot.
As if European NATO members add any security to the USA. They are strategic parasites, they took much more safety than give it.
 
To protect them from another Russian invasion
For what practical goal? NATO isn't a charity organisation. And "Saving Vietnam from Vietnamese" isn't very popular thing by itself among ordinary Americans. Say nothing about the fact, that Ukrainains (in practical terms) don't want you, "protecting" them. Their leadership wants your money and for those money they just sell you their compatriots as cannon fodder.

We can’t trust Putin to keep his promises
And Russia can't trust Americans to keep their promises. Actually, Russians are sure that Americans will definitely break all promises if they think its profitable for them.

Anyway, it's not the point. The point is, that everything comes with price. What price (in millions of American lives), you think, is acceptable for American society for Ukrainian membership in NATO?
 
For what practical goal? NATO isn't a charity organisation. And "Saving Vietnam from Vietnamese" isn't very popular thing by itself among ordinary Americans. Say nothing about the fact, that Ukrainains (in practical terms) don't want you, "protecting" them. Their leadership wants your money and for those money they just sell you their compatriots as cannon fodder.


And Russia can't trust Americans to keep their promises. Actually, Russians are sure that Americans will definitely break all promises if they think its profitable for them.

Anyway, it's not the point. The point is, that everything comes with price. What price (in millions of American lives), you think, is acceptable for American society for Ukrainian membership in NATO?
The US needs to keep sending equipment to kill Russians
It is money well spent
 
The US needs to keep sending equipment to kill Russians
It is money well spent
There is no profit in killing Russians per se. What is even more important - Russians will kill you too. And I didn't ask you about money. I asked you about millions of American lives you (and American society) are ready to sacrifice in the name of your hatred.
 
There is no profit in killing Russians per se. What is even more important - Russians will kill you too. And I didn't ask you about money. I asked you about millions of American lives you (and American society) are ready to sacrifice in the name of your hatred.
millions of American lives?
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Russians are dying as we speak
 
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