Trump.....We will own the Gaza Strip

[Coyote]

I would agree in principle. But they made their decisions. Now someone else has to step in and drive this train. They have proven that they are not, at the moment, capable.

I disagree. They are in a position where they can rebuild and create something new. The problem that is Gaza is not the sole creation of the people in Gaza.

 

[Shusha]

Is that the only solution to ongoing war? I think this is a slippery slope.

What if it is the best solution?

Why?

Because the government of Gaza will have the right to determine who will, and who will not, be eligible for citizenship in Gaza. After rebuilding and creating a new government, I'd imagine they will want to be extremely cautious in who is permitted to participate in the new sovereign (one hopes) State of Gaza.

 

[Shusha]

I disagree. They are in a position where they can rebuild and create something new. The problem that is Gaza is not the sole creation of the people in Gaza.

We are not in the position of permitting them free reign to repeat the events of the past two decades. There is NO EVIDENCE that there has been a deradicalization in the past year.

 

[Coyote]

What do we do in the meantime, for the next three generations?

The devil is in the details right? The answer is not another Nakhba however nor is it the Trump/Netanyahu plan for a grand seaside resort minus the Palestinian people. It belongs to the people of Gaza. Not America. Not Israel.

 

[Coyote]

What if it is the best solution?

Ethnic cleansing and forced expulsions should never be the “best solution”. When you suggest, it sounds like the sorts of things the Israeli settlers want done. Remove them and give Gaza to the settlers.

Because the government of Gaza will have the right to determine who will, and who will not, be eligible for citizenship in Gaza. After rebuilding and creating a new government, I'd imagine they will want to be extremely cautious in who is permitted to participate in the new sovereign (one hopes) State of Gaza.

Interesting.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

What constitutes voluntary? Is creating and/or perpetrating a situation that is so unlivable people have no choice but to leave to survive “voluntary”? Will they be allowed to return?

“Incentivized”? Still sounds sounds like ethnic cleansing.

If the desired end result is to permanently remove a population, then yes, it is ethnic cleansing. What is the intent?

the intent is the fulfillment of the Balfour declaration.
look it up (via wikipedia.org for instance).

if the Palestinians had chosen to live in peace with the Israelis, none of these ethnic cleansing measures would be necessary.
that might not be right, but it sure is in line with ancient laws about the realities of war and peace on this planet.

 

[Shusha]

Ethnic cleansing and forced expulsions should never be the “best solution”.

Does "least harmful solution in the long-term" sound better to you?

 

[Coyote]

Does "least harmful solution in the long-term" sound better to you?

Least harmful solution is to get multi-national coalition together and start seriously proposing some plans, something which has been kicked down tbe road.

The Jewish people have a long history of being expelled. 750,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled in Nakhba, an event central to their identity. To carry this out as a solution is evil, for any peoples.

 

[Shusha]

Least harmful solution is to get multi-national coalition together and start seriously proposing some plans, something which has been kicked down tbe road.

I think part of a "least harmful solution" could be to allow voluntary, incentivized relocation for those who want it. I think to rule that out is missing an opportunity.

 

[Coyote]

Oh….am I being bigoted against a people who cheer on the massacre of Jews and want us dead? Imagine that.

I suspect most Palestinians have a lot more to be concerned about in their daily lives than hating Jews or wanting them dead. The conflict between Israel and Palestine is territorial, not a conflict between Palestinians and the worldwide Jewish population. So yes, describing them as subhuman is bigoted.

And Egypt and Jordan don’t want them?

Egypt and Jordan don’t want two million refugees dumped on them just Israel can go in and take Gaza.

So who is going to get stuck with them?

No one. They aren’t cattle to be shunted around and they have a homeland.

They can’t live next to Israel NOW, on their own.

So the international community, the Palestinians and Israel get together and hammer out a plan for Gaza’s future that INCLUDES the Palestinians and doesn’t treat them as a commodity to be moved around or gotten rid of.

Israel will have to move in and maintain a heavy military presence. And that can’t happen for at least a decade.

Not necessarily. Occupations are part of what has led to the problem we have today.

So the question remains…..what to do with them NOW, and in the next several years to come?

What to do with them? Are they cattle? Why are outside powers making these decisions about other human beings without their participation?

 

[Coyote]

I think part of a "least harmful solution" could be to allow voluntary, incentivized relocation for those who want it. I think to rule that out is missing an opportunity.

Those that want to immigrate should be allowed to do so like any other group of people. But incentivized? No. That is a term that can cover coercive policies disguised as humanitarian.

 

[Shusha]

Those that want to immigrate should be allowed to do so like any other group of people. But incentivized? No. That is a term that can cover coercive policies disguised as humanitarian.

What do you imagine I mean when I say "incentivized"?

 

[Coyote]

What do you imagine I mean when I say "incentivized"?

What I imagine you mean is offering them money to leave, but for others such as the current coalition in Israel, it could mean incentives such as the settler violence in the West Bank.

 

[Shusha]

What I imagine you mean is offering them money to leave, but for others such as the current coalition in Israel, it could mean incentives such as the settler violence in the West Bank.

Um, yeah, I'm not here suggesting threats of violence as incentive. I'm thinking relocation funds, university education, business start-up funds, that sort of thing.

 

[Deadstick]

There is no reason for the US military to become involved. given time and support, the IDF can destroy the terrorists. Given the resources the so called Palestinians will be lining up to leave. Trump should send travel agents, not soldiers. It's really not a very complicated or difficult plan, but it will take a few years to accomplish.

It wasn't complicated in the Warsaw Ghetto, just level it and kill or expel anyone left what you Zionist thugs want is right out of the SS General Jurgen Stroop handbook.

 

[Deadstick]

What constitutes voluntary? Is creating and/or perpetrating a situation that is so unlivable people have no choice but to leave to survive “voluntary”? Will they be allowed to return?

“Incentivized”? Still sounds sounds like ethnic cleansing.

If the desired end result is to permanently remove a population, then yes, it is ethnic cleansing. What is the intent?

Of course the Zionists won't allow them to return in 70 years they have not allowed them to return to their homes anywhere in Palestine why would this be any different? it's all part of the Greater Israel plan.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Open Gaza up to the free flow of people, education and commerce. Work, in good faith, to set up a plan for its governance. Work on solutions that don’t involve committing war crimes. It doesn’t help that Israel put Gaza under a blockade effectively locking people in and creating a haven for Hamas and an entire generation that has know nothing else.

What incentive does Israel have to open its border with Gaza?
I mean, presuming it does not want terrorists flowing across said border.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Open Gaza up to the free flow of people, education and commerce. Work, in good faith, to set up a plan for its governance. Work on solutions that don’t involve committing war crimes. It doesn’t help that Israel put Gaza under a blockade effectively locking people in and creating a haven for Hamas and an entire generation that has know nothing else.



“Sending people out” and not allowing them to return is going increase radicalization if you are talking about expulsions.

For anything to work, it needs to be voluntary and the Palestinian people need to be the ones making tbe decisions about the future Gaza not others.

Just as soon as the so called Palestinians in Gaza release all the hostages and disarm, we can talk about other options, but until they do the only path to peace is either destroying them or removing them.

 

[Lisa558]

What incentive does Israel have to open its border with Gaza?
I mean, presuming it does not want terrorists flowing across said border.

Exactly. Why should Israel open up its borders to people who cheered on the massacre of 10/7 and support the HAMAS goal to destroy Israel?

Sure seems that the anti-Israel crowd, driven by hostility toward Jews, wants Jews to take on all the risk of having the anti-Israel Arabs coming in - while making excuses for why adjacent Arab countries shouldn’t have to.

 

[Lisa558]

Just as soon as the so called Palestinians in Gaza release all the hostages and disarm, we can talk about other options, but until they do the only path to peace is either destroying them or removing them.

Also true. Did you see the three men who were released this weekend? Looked like Holocaust survivors, and I can tell you - they will bear the physical impairments of starvation for the rest of their lives.

Why is the anti-Israel poster putting the onus on Israel while the Muslim monsters are still starving and abusing hostages? These people can’t even walk. They are allowed a shower once every two months. They are given half a pita a day. They are not allowed to urinate when needed.

And we are talking about what ISRAEL can do to make peace?! Shit.