Trump warns of 'attack' on 2nd Amendment ahead of Virginia gun rights rally

[Daryl Hunt]

Kinda quiet thread....in the face of yet another state about to go "gun free"......

Americans actually don't care other than a small group (FAR smaller than the LGBTQ crowd). The Left will get it's gun free America. It's guaranteed. Mark those words.

Not according to Heller V DC. All laws have to be within "Reason". For instance, a State can ban the sale of a certain gun as long as they are very specific on that gun. They can't just say 'Assault Rifle". They have to single out one specific weapon and name it by name. They can't come into your home after the fact and seize you "Banned" weapons. But they can restrict you in selling, transporting and using said weapon without a specific special license as long as it's done "Within Reason". Do you get my point?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

In other words "Shall not Infringe" is your argument. Hate to break it to you but Heller V established that the States can use Reasonable in their laws. Now, you wish for the 2A to read like you say it should, I suggest you get a 2/3rds amendment to that affect in Congress and get a President to sign it into law. Until then, Heller V is what we have to go by.

"Shall Not Infringe" is not a legal argument.

The Constitution is the highest law, the highest authority in this nation. The courts are not. The Constitution explicitly and absolutely forbids government from infringing the people's right to keep and bear arms. The authority is not legitimately found anywhere, in any of the three branches of our federal government, nor in any part of our state and local governments, to override the Constitution.

A court, ruling that it is allowable for any part of government to infringe this right is not only wrong, but is acting illegally, and usurping an authority that it does not have.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Without screaming "Shall not infringe" at the top of your lungs, show me any part of the intent of the VA law that will not stand up in court if it's written by someone with at least a 10th grade education.

Dismissing a valid argument does not invalidate it.

The simple fact is that the Second Amendment explicitly identifies a right as belonging to the people, and forbids this right from being infringed.

Any attempt, through any policy enacted at the federal level, state level, or local levels, to infringe this right is illegal, and those in government who attempt to enact or enforce such laws or policies are no better than common criminals.

LOL.

Another who believe freedom is 'free' and that the Constitution protects HIM, so he doesn't need to protect the Constitution.

Freakin Hilarious

Ya..just go ahead and change the name to The United Socialist States of America.
It's done. Put a fork in it. The Left has no opposition.

Wow, another dead give-away. "Socialist" from 1958.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I totally stand behind and support the people of Virginia against the hack trying to take away their rights as American citizens. These politicians who are trying to take away our rights should be hung up by their gonads.

The People of Virginia have the power to vote them out of office. Simple as that. Or they can do a recall. Provisions are in the COTUS and every State Constitution. Sorry, no gonad hanging allowed.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

“Your 2nd Amendment is under very serious attack in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia. That’s what happens when you vote for Democrats, they will take your guns away. Republicans will win Virginia in 2020. Thank you Dems!” Trump tweeted.

Your 2nd Amendment is under very serious attack in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia. That’s what happens when you vote for Democrats, they will take your guns away. Republicans will win Virginia in 2020. Thank you Dems!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 17, 2020 ADVERTISEMENT The tweet comes after state legislators voted last week to ban firearms at the state Capitol and Gov. Ralph Northam (D-Va.) declared a state of emergency to temporarily ban individuals from carrying weapons on its grounds.

Both moves came before a gun rights rally planned for next week that is expected to draw armed protesters and a mass of counter-protesters, raising fears of clashes between the two crowds.

Northam said in his statement declaring the emergency that his office had received credible intelligence of “threats of violence” surrounding the demonstration that included “extremist rhetoric” similar to that surrounding the deadly Unite the Right white supremacist rally in Charlottesville in 2017.

The Virginia Citizens Defense League, the organizers of the rally, has said that the demonstration will draw thousands to the area. The group's Facebook event page indicates that more than 5,000 say they will attend.

"We support citizens’ rights to peacefully protest and express their views to their elected officials," said Northam. "But we must also keep the public, as well as those who work around Capitol Square, safe."

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...

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For NOT being a conservative, DJT is doing a wonderful job of faking it!!! He sure seems to be a STRONG CONSTITUTIONALIST!

This ol hillbilly rocks

The capital police pay visit to a dangerous white supremacist

Big brother got him on camera and the capital police drove 100 miles to harass him ....for "safety "

Watch the whole thing hes great


The best part ...git of my lawn !

 

[ChrisL]

I totally stand behind and support the people of Virginia against the hack trying to take away their rights as American citizens. These politicians who are trying to take away our rights should be hung up by their gonads.

The People of Virginia have the power to vote them out of office. Simple as that. Or they can do a recall. Provisions are in the COTUS and every State Constitution. Sorry, no gonad hanging allowed.

When the socialist democrats take over the country and we have to fight them to get it back (because of you uneducated rubes who are willing to give your constitutional rights up to your "Nazi" government), there will be gonads hanging all over the place.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

In other words "Shall not Infringe" is your argument. Hate to break it to you but Heller V established that the States can use Reasonable in their laws. Now, you wish for the 2A to read like you say it should, I suggest you get a 2/3rds amendment to that affect in Congress and get a President to sign it into law. Until then, Heller V is what we have to go by.

"Shall Not Infringe" is not a legal argument.

The Constitution is the highest law, the highest authority in this nation. The courts are not. The Constitution explicitly and absolutely forbids government from infringing the people's right to keep and bear arms. The authority is not legitimately found anywhere, in any of the three branches of our federal government, nor in any part of our state and local governments, to override the Constitution.

A court, ruling that it is allowable for any part of government to infringe this right is not only wrong, but is acting illegally, and usurping an authority that it does not have.

Sorry, but the "Shall not Infringe" only applies to the Federal Government. And the Courts agree with me. Actually, it's the other way around. Whether I agree or disagree, it's the way the Federal Courts including the Supreme Court has ruled. They didn't make a law, the interpreted the Constitution. You just don't like the way they went. Again, if you want to take it away from the courts, do an amendment that makes the 2A read the way you think it should read. Congress has the power to override the Courts with a law.

 

[ChrisL]

In other words "Shall not Infringe" is your argument. Hate to break it to you but Heller V established that the States can use Reasonable in their laws. Now, you wish for the 2A to read like you say it should, I suggest you get a 2/3rds amendment to that affect in Congress and get a President to sign it into law. Until then, Heller V is what we have to go by.

"Shall Not Infringe" is not a legal argument.

The Constitution is the highest law, the highest authority in this nation. The courts are not. The Constitution explicitly and absolutely forbids government from infringing the people's right to keep and bear arms. The authority is not legitimately found anywhere, in any of the three branches of our federal government, nor in any part of our state and local governments, to override the Constitution.

A court, ruling that it is allowable for any part of government to infringe this right is not only wrong, but is acting illegally, and usurping an authority that it does not have.

Right on, Bob! If you allow them to ban ONE gun, then they have the door open to ban them all eventually, and that is what they are trying to do. They are taking incremental steps towards total confiscation of guns. And once they've done that, the rest of our rights are in serious peril.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Sorry, but the "Shall not Infringe" only applies to the Federal Government.

I refer to the Tenth Amendment…

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.​

Note that the Tenth Amendment identifies three entities which have powers or rights—the United States [the federal government], the States and the people.

Leaving aside the fact that the Second Amendment explicitly forbids infringement of the right to keep and bear arms, there is also this—If this right belonged to the federal government, then, and only the, would the federal government have any authority to impose laws imposing restrictions on it. If it belonged to the States, then the States would have the authority to enact laws which impose restrictions on it.

But this right does not belong to the federal government, nor to the States, so neither of these entities has the right or power to infringe this right.

It belongs to the people.

Now, you wish for the 2A to read like you say it should, I suggest you get a 2/3rds amendment to that affect in Congress and get a President to sign it into law. Until then, Heller V is what we have to go by.

Again, if you want to take it away from the courts, do an amendment that makes the 2A read the way you think it should read.

The Second Amendment already reads as I think it should. And as it stands, every gun control law, enacted at any level of government, is unconstitutional. The courts, by ruling otherwise, cannot make it otherwise. All that they accomplish, when they do so, is to demonstrate how lawless and corrupt they have become.

If is your side that needs to get a new amendment ratified to the Constitution, before your position can have any legitimacy. Only by ratifying a new amendment, which overturns the Second Amendment, and which claims the power on behalf of government to impose restrictions on the keeping and bearing of arms, can it ever be possible for any legitimate law at any level to exist, which does so.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Sorry, but the "Shall not Infringe" only applies to the Federal Government.

I refer to the Tenth Amendment…

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.​

Note that the Tenth Amendment identifies three entities which have powers or rights—the United States [the federal government], the States and the people.

Leaving aside the fact that the Second Amendment explicitly forbids infringement of the right to keep and bear arms, there is also this—If this right belonged to the federal government, then, and only the, would the federal government have any authority to impose laws imposing restrictions on it. If it belonged to the States, then the States would have the authority to enact laws which impose restrictions on it.

But this right does not belong to the federal government, nor to the States, so neither of these entities has the right or power to infringe this right.

It belongs to the people.

Now, you wish for the 2A to read like you say it should, I suggest you get a 2/3rds amendment to that affect in Congress and get a President to sign it into law. Until then, Heller V is what we have to go by.

Again, if you want to take it away from the courts, do an amendment that makes the 2A read the way you think it should read.

The Second Amendment already reads as I think it should. And as it stands, every gun control law, enacted at any level of government, is unconstitutional. The courts, by ruling otherwise, cannot make it otherwise. All that they accomplish, when they do so, is to demonstrate how lawless and corrupt they have become.

If is your side that needs to get a new amendment ratified to the Constitution, before your position can have any legitimacy. Only by ratifying a new amendment, which overturns the Second Amendment, and which claims the power on behalf of government to impose restrictions on the keeping and bearing of arms, can it ever be possible for any legitimate law at any level to exist, which does so.

If your argument were true then there wouldn't be at least 5 different interpretations of it and it wouldn't require an interpretation of the courts. Good laws are very specific and don't require a Constitutional Scholar or a Supreme Court to interpret them. It's only clear to you because you want it to read the way you want it to read. Not so with others. If we take it in it's literal form, you have the right to bear arms. Does that mean you have the right to go sleeveless? Well, unless your name is Michelle and then it's a capital crime Where does your "Rights" end and the Public Safety begin? There were thousands of innocents caught in the crossfire from those sawed off shotguns and Thompson Model 1921s that said something had to be done. Pretty much, the intent of the VA gun reg proposal is similar to the 1934 Firearms Act except it is geared for one weapon only even if it doesn't quite say it. Since if doesn't specifically say the exact weapon, it won't stand the first round of Federal Courts. The Law has to be very specific. The 2A is just too broad and can be interpreted too many ways. I, personally, believe that it should read, you have the right to Arm Bears. Gives hunting a whole new sporting concept. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you.

I'll say it again, if you want it to read like you want it to read, get with your Congress Critters and make it read that way. But it's going to take at least a 2/3rds majority vote in both houses and signed by the President. Or are you going to whine till you get what you want like a small child throwing a temper tantrum because Mommy won't buy that new toy on the shelf.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Sorry, but the "Shall not Infringe" only applies to the Federal Government. And the Courts agree with me. Actually, it's the other way around. Whether I agree or disagree, it's the way the Federal Courts including the Supreme Court has ruled. They didn't make a law, the interpreted the Constitution. You just don't like the way they went. Again, if you want to take it away from the courts, do an amendment that makes the 2A read the way you think it should read. Congress has the power to override the Courts with a law.

You see folks ?
Constitutional Rights have been thrown so far under the bus, they are now explaining how your Constitutional Rights are subjective.....if they actually exist all all.....probably never did........you can see that now, can't you?

All that was required for your rights (along with your firearms) to be taken was for you to do nothing more than declare how the Constitution protects you, on a forum.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Sorry, but the "Shall not Infringe" only applies to the Federal Government. And the Courts agree with me. Actually, it's the other way around. Whether I agree or disagree, it's the way the Federal Courts including the Supreme Court has ruled. They didn't make a law, the interpreted the Constitution. You just don't like the way they went. Again, if you want to take it away from the courts, do an amendment that makes the 2A read the way you think it should read. Congress has the power to override the Courts with a law.

You see folks ?
Constitutional Rights have been thrown so far under the bus, they are now explaining how your Constitutional Rights are subjective.....if they actually exist all all.....probably never did........you can see that now, can't you?

All that was required for your rights (along with your firearms) to be taken was for you to do nothing more than declare how the Constitution protects you, on a forum.

Is there a message in there somewhere? All I hear is a bunch of small child whining about Mommy not getting the toy.

 

[skye]

GOD BLESS and Protect President Donald Trump!

GOD BLESS and Protect all Patriots!

 

[skye]

Those Patriots attending the rally on January 20th in Virginia please be very careful all of you!

The DemonRats long with the usual "suspects" want to stage a false flag....a Charlottesville 2.0.

Also.....apart from that ...all Churches should be careful and aware....these people are evil....they are the scum of the scum, they want to create mass chaos...and blame it all on the Patriots.

 

[skye]

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam (D) praised the NRA while announcing a gun ban, and the NRA responded by letting him know they were interested in holding on to gun rights not platitudes.



17 Jan 2020-
NRA to Northam: You Keep Your Platitudes, We'll Keep Our Gun Rights

 

[skye]

Oh!......one more thing....
I'm quoting:



"So just the Dems, libbies, and MSM are clear...

Everyone KNOWS Antifa is going to show up dressed as pro2A and try to start violence then blame it on Trump supporters

So nice try in advance.

We will be keeping our guns, thanks."

 

[Rye Catcher]

Trump seems to be hammering all the wedge issues this week

~S~

Yep, demagoguery is his game, and 30% of our citizens believe this consummate liar every time he speaks or tweets.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Those Patriots attending the rally on January 20th in Virginia please be very careful all of you!

The DemonRats long with the usual "suspects" want to stage a false flag....a Charlottesville 2.0.

Also.....apart from that ...all Churches should be careful and aware....these people are evil....they are the scum of the scum, they want to create mass chaos...and blame it all on the Patriots.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Everyone KNOWS Antifa is going to show up dressed as pro2A and try to start violence then blame it on Trump supporters.

I should have paid more attention when I saw it, and saved the link, but some time in the past few days, I saw a news article, which quoted a Republican member if Virginia's state legislature saying that his Democrapic colleagues were in on a plan to this very effect.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Everyone KNOWS Antifa is going to show up dressed as pro2A and try to start violence then blame it on Trump supporters.

I should have paid more attention when I saw it, and saved the link, but some time in the past few days, I saw a news article, which quoted a Republican member if Virginia's state legislature saying that his Democrapic colleagues were in on a plan to this very effect.

Here it is:

Virginia State Senator Issues Warning Hours before Monday's 2A Rally: "We Are Being Set Up"

Not quite exactly what I thought I'd remembered, but close enough. A member of Virginia's State Senate is warning of a plot to set peaceful protesters up, to make our side look like terrorists.

From the Facebook page of Virginia State Senator Amanda Chase (R)…

Senator Amanda Chase

Sadly, I am posting this, knowing that the Governor of Virginia has declared a State of Emergency in our state.

I want you to be aware of how we are being set up.

Does the Patriot Act ring a bell?

Does the National Defense Authorization Act ring a bell?

If people show up wearing any kind of uniform, patch or other symbol on their clothing signifying they belong to a militia and something goes wrong, you could/will be held as a domestic terrorist.

If anyone steps out of line, all it takes is one person, it may even be a government plant....if that plant does anything to disrupt the rally, you could/will be arrested as a domestic terrorist.

The Governor, using the media has already set the stage for this to happen.

He has already laid the groundwork to make the entire movement look like insurrection.

It will be used to put the rest of the nation on notice of what will happen to you, if you resist.

They have used the Southern Poverty Law Center over the last 15 years to lay the groundwork.

They have labeled us as potential domestic terrorist for a long time now.

Anyone who has ever related to the 3%er's, a militia, or just belonged to any Patriot group...the groundwork has been laid to brand you as a domestic terrorist.

They have gone out of their way since the Obama years to insure they had us labeled, but it didn't start with Obama. It started with the Patriot Act under the Bush administration.

We are being played by a well oiled machine, these things have been in the works for many years.

They are kicking things into high gear. Military veterans were/are even listed as potential domestic terrorist.

We were told not once, but several times by the current President, “It's Not Me they are after, It's You, The American People.“

Their actions over the last three years have shown you he was right, they are coming after us full speed ahead and they aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

Sic semper tyrannis, keep your head on a swivel and know what's going on around you at all times, at Lobby Day 1/20/20.

Everyone be safe out there....Thus always to tyrants.​