Trump under investigation for Obstruction of Justice.

[theHawk]

I just wonder--- and I don't disagree with anything you said but ---if the Congress hasn't found a shred of evidence in nearly 11 months, just what will Mueller find?

Benghazi ....8 Investigations dragging over 4 years [2012-2016] nothing whatsoever found...someone like you is still calling for more Benghazi LOL

Nothing found, other than four dead Americans, a destroyed compound, and documented lies by the Obama admin about the cause being a YouTube video.

after 8 Investigations nothing and you still rant impotent...FUCK DONALD TRUMP and also FUCK YOU

Wow, another deranged liberal about to go postal.

The investigation happened and the American public got informed about what happened, and then Donald Trump got elected. Letting Americans die and lying about it has consequences.

 

[dannyboys]

The Amazon Post? Really? There's no Russian connection so how can he obstruct what didn't happen?

Obstruction of Justice is a separate crime... It doesn't matter if there is a Russian Connection or not...

The message is simple, don't fuck with the FBI...

Liberals are simple. Why would anyone obstruct an investigation to a crime that didn't happen?

They are sheep. That is all they are. They have tried everything. Now the losers are even trying to convince us that it was never about collusion.

They are desperate.

I will say this though. Hiring the Mueller, another fucking lawyer and no friend of Trump, was a mistake.

Want to know what the swamp in DC is? They are the lawyers. How many politicians are lawyers first? Ever notice the biggest fucking scumbags are lawyers? Obama a lawyer, hillary a lawyer, Comey a lawyer, virtually every fbi director is a lawyer.

They know the law. They know how to create perceptions and how manipulate the idiots.

Let's just say that the democrat voting base....are made of the same stupid types that made up the OJ jury, or the Casey Anthony jury.

If the glove don't don't fit, you must acquit. You know and I know what the left consists of. They change instantly and go right along with their masters in the media.

They are petulant, stupid, mindless, and all hypocrites. I mean look at all of their claims.

Mueller is going to have to provide evidence of any wrongdoing to the American public.
He's not going to be able to not disclose his findings.
President Trump is going to have the last laugh on these LIB dummies........and he's going to rub their bullshit wet dream lies in their faces for years to come.

 

[Faun]

Great, yet another flaming imbecile who doesn't understand Libby was convicted despite there being no underlying crime.

Libby was convicted of obstruction

Pretty good! Here is a nut that first says a guy was convicted with no underlying crime then admits he committed a crime, and HE goes around calling others morons and imbeciles!

No one was charged with the underlying crime, ya numbnut, of outing Valerie Plame.

 

[easyt65]

The Washington Post says that the Special Prosecutor is investigating Trump for Obstruction of Justice.

It's never the crime that goes these guys in. Always the coverup.

That's interesting considering Former Director of the FBI James Comey just testified under oath before Congress how Trump did NOT Obstruct justice, how he ENCOURAGED the investigation into Russia's meddling.

Comey is Mueller's protégé, and it seems Mueller is determined to vindicate Comey after he admitted during his testimony that he was a cowardly 'leaker' who failed to do his job. So far the 'Independent' Counsel has added to its ranks DONORS and CLINTON LAWYERS. (So much for 'Independent' - this Counsel has more Conflicts of Interest than Swiss cheese has holes.)

Mueller is smart, though. Knowing Comey's testimony destroyed every false accusation Democrats have made against Trump - eliminating any real remaining need for the Counsel - and how biased his Counsel now looks, Mueller made the only announcement that would guarantee neither US AG Sessions or Trump would dissolve the Counsel / fire Mueller: 'Trump is under investigation for Obstruction'.

Although Comey demonstrated Trump had every right...and needed to...fire Comey, liberals - who also had made the case for Comey to be fired - suddenly began crying 'Obstruction of Justice' when Comey was fired. If Sessions or Trump fires Mueller now, despite there being no more case and Mueller stacking the political deck against Trump with so many Liberal 'Witch Hunters' on the Counsel in preparation of this final Witch Hunt, liberals will cry even more how it would be further evidence of Obstruction.

I am neither a pro-Trump guy or a pro-Hillary guy, but you don't have to either be a fish lover or a fish hater to be able to smell nasty, rotten fish. Mueller and his stacked Counsel smells to high-heaven of 'bad fish'. Again, there are so many Conflicts of Interest on it that it should be disbanded.

If I were Sessions, based on this latest hiring of a Clinton lawyer to be on the Counsel, I would step in and say: "The decisions made by the Independent Counsel lead have jeopardized / forfeited the unquestioned neutrality of the Counsel. In light of this, Mueller is fired, and this Counsel is disbanded. Another Independent Counsel will immediately be formed, led by someone with no personal connections to anyone in this case with members with no Conflicts of Interests (like having a lawyer who worked for the candidate who lost to Trump on the Counsel)".

No claim of further Obstruction could then be made because it would not be the elimination of an Independent Counsel but instead the elimination of the perception of bias and impropriety and the elimination of all Conflicts of Interest.

 

[candycorn]

Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say

Kellyanne Conway @KellyannePolls
Most honest people I know are not under FBI investigation........................

Nice!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Washington Post says that the Special Prosecutor is investigating Trump for Obstruction of Justice.

It's never the crime that goes these guys in. Always the coverup.

Okay...Well that the WaPo says so doesn't exactly make it be so, but it does suggest there's a better chance now than before now that it is so. Did Mueller or one of his team explicitly say that is the case? If so, well, then, it is indeed so.

If they leaked that information, whoever it is, Trump should fire them as they are no better than those they are allegedly investigating for leaks,

That's a different matter than whether Trump is under investigation for possible obstruction of justice.

I don't know the extent to which the general public has a need to know whether Trump is under investigation for possibly having obstructed justice. That is what it is, but as the information has been released, it's moot whether extant be the public's need to know that.

What I strongly believe is that many of the people -- without regard to their political affinity -- who will attempt to discount the significance of Trump's being under investigation for a felony are the same people who feel that if a liberal is under investigation for something, s/he is guilty of that for which they under investigation, and that's with regard to subjects who don't have a long track record of being shady, actually breaking laws, lying about things great and small, pretending to be someone they literally are not, etc. What will they think about this latest revelation?

I know what has always been my position in such situations, so I don't have a dissensus that compromises my integrity because of what I think about Trump as a result of his being investigated for possibly having committed a (or several) felony and what I think of others whom I knew to be under investigation for possibly having committed felonies. Of course, that only is so because I'm principled, not partisan.

For about the 10th time in this thread alone, you cannot obstruct justice if no crime is committed.

Obstruction of justice
Obstruction of justice is defined in the omnibus clause of 18 U.S.C. § 1503, which provides that "whoever . . . . corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be (guilty of an offense)." Persons are charged under this statute based on allegations that a defendant intended to intefere with an official proceeding, by doing things such as destroying evidence, or intefering with the duties of jurors or court officers.

A person obstructs justice when they have a specific intent to obstruct or interfere with a judicial proceeding. For a person to be convicted of obstructing justice, they must not only have the specific intent to obstruct the proceeding, but the person must know (1) that a proceeding was actually pending at the time; and (2) there must be a nexus between the defendant’s endeavor to obstruct justice and the proceeding, and the defendant must have knowledge of this nexus.

§ 1503 applies only to federal judicial proceedings. Under § 1505, however, a defendant can be convicted of obstruction of justice by obstructing a pending proceeding before Congress or a federal agency.
Source

So, can you glean from that information that neither of those requirements were satisfied by firing Comey?

 

[toobfreak]

Oh no, the COLLUSION shtick didn't find any foothold, so now the LibTards have moved onto Gambit #2: Obstruction.

Mueller is a lifelong republican first appointed by Reagan and later by H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. I doubt he takes any pleasure in opening an investigation that may end the current republican president's term in office.

Trump might well survive charges that his campaign colluded with the Russians, but not Obstruction of Justice. Unless Mueller finds no evidence of obstruction, Trump will be hurt political just as Clinton was. Republican congressmen must be questioning whether Trump is becoming more of a liability than an asset.

Let me explain this to you one more time. There has to have been a crime for an obstruction of justice charge.

Please tell me what the crime is!

You cannot have the latter without the former.

I just hope all of you libs remembered to get your fishing licenses renewed!

No, whether an investigation results in charges is immaterial. Obstruction of the investigation is a crime.

Any act that is intended to interfere with the administration of justice may constitute obstruction of justice. There are many different kinds of obstruction of justice that are covered by different federal and state statutes. For example, separate federal statutes cover obstruction of court orders, obstruction of criminal investigations, obstruction of state and local law enforcement of gambling statutes, and tampering with or retaliating against witnesses, victims and informants.
Does an FBI Investigation Qualify Under the Obstruction of Justice Statutes? A Closer Look

You still don't get it? Are you just or are you like most libs and reading comprehension is a big problem for you?

You cannot be charged with obstruction unless you actually obstruct an investigation. Since Trump has apparently done nothing to obstruct, how can that be?

Since the federal statutes would be the only one in question, why are you citing anything other than that?

Here is the definition of Obstruction of Justice.

Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsified, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under Title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

The crime of obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, refers to the crime of obstructing prosecutors or other (usually government) officials. Common law jurisdictions other than the United States tend to use the wider offense of perverting the course of justice.
Obstruction of justice - Wikipedia

Comey testified that Trump pressured him to drop the Michael Flynn case prior to him getting fired. That is obstruction of Justice. That's why this criminal investigation has also moved into Obstruction of Justice.
http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/lindsey-graham-russia-probe-now-a-criminal-investigation/

And it doesn't help that Trump admitted Obstruction of justice during an NBC interview.
"Donald Trump said he was thinking of “this Russia thing” when he decided James Comey’s fate – contradicting the White House rationale that he fired the FBI director for mishandling the Clinton email investigation.

Comey had been leading an investigation into possible collusion between Trump advisers and Russian officials when he was dismissed by the president. Defending that decision in an interview on NBC News on Thursday, Trump said: “And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said: ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.’”
Donald Trump admits 'this Russia thing' part of reasoning for firing Comey

Dear Cookie-puss:

Thank you for making the iron-clad case against Loretta Lynch! ITMT, Trump's saying on NBC that "the Russia thing" was involved in firing Comey is not obstruction. I can stand up waving my arms saying "I obstructed!" all day long! but the court has to find evidence of obstruction, not my mere word. In Donald's case, the Russia thing he was referring to was the whole debacle in the way Comey mishandled the matter. He doesn't even need to give a reason for firing Comey.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Amazon Post? Really? There's no Russian connection so how can he obstruct what didn't happen?

Obstruction of Justice is a separate crime... It doesn't matter if there is a Russian Connection or not...

The message is simple, don't fuck with the FBI...

All intelligence services disagree with you. You're either stupid or lying.

You are wrong yet again. Russia may have tried to influence the election, but there was no collusion.

Why didn't Lynch or anyone else in the DOJ prosecute Obama for interfering with the Israelis election?

The best case Mueller has for obstruction of justice is against Loretta Lynch for her meeting with Bill Clinton.

 

[Faun]

The Washington Post says that the Special Prosecutor is investigating Trump for Obstruction of Justice.

It's never the crime that goes these guys in. Always the coverup.

That's interesting considering Former Director of the FBI James Comey just testified under oath before Congress how Trump did NOT Obstruct justice, how he ENCOURAGED the investigation into Russia's meddling.

Comey is Mueller's protégé, and it seems Mueller is determined to vindicate Comey after he admitted during his testimony that he was a cowardly 'leaker' who failed to do his job. So far the 'Independent' Counsel has added to its ranks DONORS and CLINTON LAWYERS. (So much for 'Independent' - this Counsel has more Conflicts of Interest than Swiss cheese has holes.)

Mueller is smart, though. Knowing Comey's testimony destroyed every false accusation Democrats have made against Trump - eliminating any real remaining need for the Counsel - and how biased his Counsel now looks, Mueller made the only announcement that would guarantee neither US AG Sessions or Trump would dissolve the Counsel / fire Mueller: 'Trump is under investigation for Obstruction'.

Although Comey demonstrated Trump had every right...and needed to...fire Comey, liberals - who also had made the case for Comey to be fired - suddenly began crying 'Obstruction of Justice' when Comey was fired. If Sessions or Trump fires Mueller now, despite there being no more case and Mueller stacking the political deck against Trump with so many Liberal 'Witch Hunters' on the Counsel in preparation of this final Witch Hunt, liberals will cry even more how it would be further evidence of Obstruction.

I am neither a pro-Trump guy or a pro-Hillary guy, but you don't have to either be a fish lover or a fish hater to be able to smell nasty, rotten fish. Mueller and his stacked Counsel smells to high-heaven of 'bad fish'. Again, there are so many Conflicts of Interest on it that it should be disbanded.

If I were Sessions, based on this latest hiring of a Clinton lawyer to be on the Counsel, I would step in and say: "The decisions made by the Independent Counsel lead have jeopardized / forfeited the unquestioned neutrality of the Counsel. In light of this, Mueller is fired, and this Counsel is disbanded. Another Independent Counsel will immediately be formed, led by someone with no personal connections to anyone in this case with members with no Conflicts of Interests (like having a lawyer who worked for the candidate who lost to Trump on the Counsel)".

No claim of further Obstruction could then be made because it would not be the elimination of an Independent Counsel but instead the elimination of the perception of bias and impropriety and the elimination of all Conflicts of Interest.

Trump is done if Mueller gets fired. Even the GOP will turn their backs on Trump at that point.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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And there was none. For Obstruction to occur there has to be an underlying crime and there wasn't one.

That is false. Investigations are conducted to determine whether or not a crime may have been committed.

 

[easyt65]

Mueller is going to have to provide evidence of any wrongdoing to the American public.

What can he provide to prove Obstruction after Obama's former Director of the FBI testified there was no obstruction?

The only 'leg to stand on' Mueller has, it seems, is to try to use the same argument Bill Clinton did, which landed him in Contempt of court and stripped of his license to practice law: the ol' definition of 'IS' argument.

Comey testified Trump told him 'I hope' the Flynn investigation blows over. No criminal activity had been proven against Flynn at that point. There still hasn't been any. (So, are liberals suggesting Trump obstructed in a case where there had been no crime identified?) Mueller would have to argue that the words 'I hope' ACTUALLY mean 'I order you to', which is not supported by anything other than Mueller's own opinionated personal definition IN THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT.

I hope he has more than that, because THAT shit ain't going to fly.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Trump is done if Mueller gets fired. Even the GOP will turn their backs on Trump at that point.

I wish I could believe that with confidence.

I do believe however that most Republicans in Congress secretly wish they could throw Trump overboard if they could find a way to do it without mass collateral damage to themselves.

 

[easyt65]

Trump is done if Mueller gets fired. Even the GOP will turn their backs on Trump at that point.

See, that is the 'TRAP' Democrats are laying, based on nothing more than political bias because they don't want the investigation to end without Trump 'going down'.

Comey already testified no crime, no collusion, no obstruction, no investigation of Trump. Based on Comey's testimony there is no more need for an Independent Counsel. The Conflicts of Interest Mueller INVITED onto the Counsel, after being one himself, is enough to disband this public political 'assassination squad'.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Now, the Wall Street Journal is jumping in. Oh happy day!

Anonymous source there too... Provide your sources fuck tard!

Ask the WSJ.

Point proven... You will lap up any form of shit, devoid of facts, your masters shove down your throats.. In the US we have the RIGHT to question our accusers.... Your lap dog media is doing the old socialist "we said it so it must be true.. now hang'em" fucking Salem witch trial is all this is..

 

[Theowl32]

The Amazon Post? Really? There's no Russian connection so how can he obstruct what didn't happen?

Obstruction of Justice is a separate crime... It doesn't matter if there is a Russian Connection or not...

The message is simple, don't fuck with the FBI...

Liberals are simple. Why would anyone obstruct an investigation to a crime that didn't happen?

They are sheep. That is all they are. They have tried everything. Now the losers are even trying to convince us that it was never about collusion.

They are desperate.

I will say this though. Hiring the Mueller, another fucking lawyer and no friend of Trump, was a mistake.

Want to know what the swamp in DC is? They are the lawyers. How many politicians are lawyers first? Ever notice the biggest fucking scumbags are lawyers? Obama a lawyer, hillary a lawyer, Comey a lawyer, virtually every fbi director is a lawyer.

They know the law. They know how to create perceptions and how manipulate the idiots.

Let's just say that the democrat voting base....are made of the same stupid types that made up the OJ jury, or the Casey Anthony jury.

If the glove don't don't fit, you must acquit. You know and I know what the left consists of. They change instantly and go right along with their masters in the media.

They are petulant, stupid, mindless, and all hypocrites. I mean look at all of their claims.

Mueller is going to have to provide evidence of any wrongdoing to the American public.
He's not going to be able to not disclose his findings.
President Trump is going to have the last laugh on these LIB dummies........and he's going to rub their bullshit wet dream lies in their faces for years to come.

The fact that they are desperately searching for anything that can be used is what is concerning. I mean there is true minutia within the law.

Even if they don't, they will create a perception, which be turned into the dominant narrative for the presidency. Even if they don't find some small thing.

How many Obama political hacks up for appointment in his administration had discussions with foreign counterparts before the inauguration? Almost all of them. Any Logan act violations or NSA tape releases of those conversations? Nope.

Step 1: manufacture a crime
Step 2: illegally leak info about said made up crime
Step 3: Pretend that there is obstruction of justice about a fake crime

Anyone who falls for this is either stupid or a liar (really both.)

 

[toobfreak]

Yup, nothing in there at all about there needing to be an underlying crime committed. Only the intent to interfere with an ongoing investigation.

PINHEAD! One More Time for your 3rd grade mentality: Intent to interfere IS A CRIME, if there was actual obstruction as well. You can't be charged with obstruction if you accidentally fall down and block it! There has to be proof that you not only ACTED to cause obstruction, but had CLEAR INTENTION as well. THAT IS THE CRIME.

 

[Faun]

The Amazon Post? Really? There's no Russian connection so how can he obstruct what didn't happen?

Obstruction of Justice is a separate crime... It doesn't matter if there is a Russian Connection or not...

The message is simple, don't fuck with the FBI...

All intelligence services disagree with you. You're either stupid or lying.

You are wrong yet again. Russia may have tried to influence the election, but there was no collusion.

Why didn't Lynch or anyone else in the DOJ prosecute Obama for interfering with the Israelis election?

The best case Mueller has for obstruction of justice is against Loretta Lynch for her meeting with Bill Clinton.

More bullshit. You can't possibly know there was no collusion as it's still under investigation.

 

[Faun]

Yup, nothing in there at all about there needing to be an underlying crime committed. Only the intent to interfere with an ongoing investigation.

PINHEAD! One More Time for your 3rd grade mentality: Intent to interfere IS A CRIME, if there was actual obstruction as well. You can't be charged with obstruction if you accidentally fall down and block it! There has to be proof that you not only ACTED to cause obstruction, but had CLEAR INTENTION as well. THAT IS THE CRIME.

You moron.... there are idiots here claiming there has to be an underlying crime besides obstruction to convict someone of obstruction. Dayam, you're so rightarded, you can't even follow the thread.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Trump is done if Mueller gets fired. Even the GOP will turn their backs on Trump at that point.

See, that is the 'TRAP' Democrats are laying, based on nothing more than political bias because they don't want the investigation to end without Trump 'going down'.

Comey already testified no crime, no collusion, no obstruction, no investigation of Trump. Based on Comey's testimony there is no more need for an Independent Counsel. The Conflicts of Interest Mueller INVITED onto the Counsel, after being one himself, is enough to disband this public political 'assassination squad'.

Mueller is a personal long time friend of Comey.. This violates the standards of conduct for a Special Counsel. By law, because of his personal ties, Mueller must recuse himself.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Yup, nothing in there at all about there needing to be an underlying crime committed. Only the intent to interfere with an ongoing investigation.

PINHEAD! One More Time for your 3rd grade mentality: Intent to interfere IS A CRIME, if there was actual obstruction as well. You can't be charged with obstruction if you accidentally fall down and block it! There has to be proof that you not only ACTED to cause obstruction, but had CLEAR INTENTION as well. THAT IS THE CRIME.

You moron.... there are idiots here claiming there has to be an underlying crime besides obstruction to convict someone of obstruction. Dayam, you're so rightarded, you can't even follow the thread.

That's the beauty of your witch hunt... They can just imply that Trump has impeded the hunt and he is guilty... Even if a witch is never found... Fucking left wing retards..