Trump supporter are lefties. And they don't even know it.

[protectionist]

I get that simple comprehension seems to be beyond you.

No, just the word "exports" in your link.

 

[pknopp]

No, just the word "exports" in your link.

I've covered this. You can't comprehend simple concepts.

 

[Oddball]

But supporting many right wing policies - stopping illegal immigration, stopping Muslim immigration, being tough on crime, opposing abortion, strong military, opposing affirmative action, supporting gun rights, etc.

Then there's free speech, due process, against stupid foreign wars (which the left used to be totally against), suspicion of the police stare, Murican jobs, opposed to corporatism....All of which are (were) liberal values.

As I said, it's a grab bag.

 

[protectionist]

Then there's free speech, due process, against stupid foreign wars (which the left used to be totally against), suspicion of the police stare, Murican jobs, opposed to corporatism....All of which are (were) liberal values.

As I said, it's a grab bag.

Liberals say it. Trump did it.

 

[protectionist]

I've covered this. You can't comprehend simple concepts.

Dodge

 

[YoursTruly]

The real mafia doesn't collude with rival mobsters in order to fuck over the people who are paying them their protection racket loot....They're far more honest.

LMAO.. Like the R&D are actually two different entities. It takes two wings to fly the same bird, dood.

He actually did expose the racket.....Why the fuck do you think that they cheated in the election right in front of all of out faces to drive him out?

Trump didn't expose anything we already didn't know. Did you trust the government before Trump? Did Trump come into office and a light came on over your head, and you're like "WOW, I didn't know the government, including the FBI, CIA, NSA and the others were so corrupt."
If you did, you're stupid.
But since I don't think you're stupid, then you're probably giving Trump credit for something he didn't actually do.
Which means he owns you. Which is pretty stupid.

But I digress

I think you're mistaking being a naive novice and getting sandbagged by the people you've foolishly trusted with malintent.....He made both a fuckton of unforced errors and listened to the bad advice of people hellbent on monkeywrenching his agenda, up to and including his sap of a veep.

Again, Trump (according to you) was inept. And according to all the bills he signed into law, laws that are in direct violation to the US Constitution, then Trump is also a liberal and doesn't support the constitution.
But you feel sorry for him. You still support him?

That's the part about you Trump supporters that I don't get.
He lies to you, and you still support him.
He takes a huge crap on the constitution, and you still support him.
He helped to create this inflation thing we're in now, and you still support him.
He notched the 2A, and you still support him.
He gave hundreds of billions to black communities, just because they were black communities, and you still support him.
He reauthorized some extremely unconstitutional laws that abolish some of our rights and liberties, and you still support him.


The list goes on and on. And you still support him. Is there anything Trump could do to make you realize just how liberal Trump is? Or are you just dead set on defending this leftist POS til the cows come home?

Trump is just a good salesman. That's all he is. He's admitted to having a team of people who scour the internet looking up subjects to put in his speeches. How much more of a douchebag salesman can you get?

 

[YoursTruly]

China kept it's mouth shut under Trump.
Biden and all Democrats are pussies.

LMAO. Their let their buying power do the talking. The Trump trade deal was a shit show, because Trump failed to do anything about the value of the USD, which is the SOLE reason why the trade deficit is so high with China.
It's why China owns a couple Trillion of our debt.
Thanks to Trumps inaction on this issue (USD value), China owned more of our debt than they did under Obama.
And thanks to the moron in chief we have now, they'll own even more, because he's doing the same retarded thing Trump did. Borrow trillions that we can never pay back.

 

[YoursTruly]

China has totally mismanaged its economy

Xi might invade Taiwan just to divert attention from his unpopular domestic policy

China now has fun coupons dude. They've got so much money, it's unreal. They can afford to build bridges to nowhere, and not have to borrow a dime for it.
One reason is they've not over inflated their currency. The yen goes further than the US. $25K (USD) in China is a middle class wage. Here, that same $25K is a poverty wage.
This is the reason why so many American companies outsource to China. It's why Americans buy so much Chinese stuff.

 

[YoursTruly]

If Trump was the one who got oil companies to reduce production (therby increasing prices) then how is it that through the Trump years oil production was astronomical compared to Biden ?... and if one extrapolates Trump's EIA curve to now (December 2022), it's easy to see the production going to a whopping 580 Million Barrels/month, while Bidens highest ever being hundreds of barrels/month less.

Trump topped that Biden monthly maximum NINE TIMES.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

This is an easy one. Because when Trump came into office the last oil bust cycle was ending. Production was ramping up, more oil was being produced. This is what always happens in an oil boom cycle.
My son a several of my friends are pipeliners. They had work out the waazoo. But by may of 2020, several months before the Biden/Trump election, they were already being laid off. Same as my driller friends.
There's an article somewhere, I've posted before that was dated a month or two before the election, that talks about record lay offs in the US oil business.

 

[YoursTruly]

Don't know what you're talking about.

pknopp does know what he's talking about. He's spot on. When the tariffs when up, so did the prices we were paying. Companies weren't about to lower their profits.

 

[YoursTruly]

Then there's free speech, due process, against stupid foreign wars (which the left used to be totally against), suspicion of the police stare, Murican jobs, opposed to corporatism....All of which are (were) liberal values.

As I said, it's a grab bag.

Was it a liberal view when Trump said (talking about red flag laws) "Take the guns first, due process later." It sounds very liberal to me.
Luckily for all of us who support the 2A, that legislation never hit Trumps desk.

 

[Mac-7]

China now has fun coupons dude. They've got so much money, it's unreal. They can afford to build bridges to nowhere, and not have to borrow a dime for it.
One reason is they've not over inflated their currency. The yen goes further than the US. $25K (USD) in China is a middle class wage. Here, that same $25K is a poverty wage.
This is the reason why so many American companies outsource to China. It's why Americans buy so much Chinese stuff.

Not many chinese are earning a wage thanks to the covid lockdowns

China has a real estate bubble that dwarfs the one that swept obama into office

A dictatorship can hide many problems for a while with phony economic reports

But sooner or later the truth comes out even to globalist-socialist groupies in the west

 

[whitehall]

Are lefties really looking at every bill Trump signed for evidence of liberalism? Republicans can't win with this kind of quirky logic.

 

[protectionist]

This is an easy one. Because when Trump came into office the last oil bust cycle was ending. Production was ramping up, more oil was being produced. This is what always happens in an oil boom cycle.
My son a several of my friends are pipeliners. They had work out the waazoo. But by may of 2020, several months before the Biden/Trump election, they were already being laid off. Same as my driller friends.
There's an article somewhere, I've posted before that was dated a month or two before the election, that talks about record lay offs in the US oil business.

May of 2020 was right in the pandemic shutdown period. It was right after the peak of Covid deaths (17,000/week) in April. The whole economy tumbled, not just oil.

Then when Republicans realized they were being scammed, Trump reopened the economy and in July (3rd quarter of 2020) US GDP hit 35.2% (highest, by far, in US history)

The data couldn't be more clear. Even with the pandemic shutdowns, Trump's overall oil production numbers are astronomical compared to Biden. And if you want to make a point of there being an "oil boom", my advise to you is to check the numbers first. NO, oil production was certainly NOT booming when Trump came into office, and NO, more oil was NOT being produced then.

In fact, it was just the opposite. Trump came into office in January of 2017. From June 2016 to the end of the year of 2016, production never topped 273 Million Barrels/month, and averaged a weak 266 Million Barrels/month.

After Trump took over, in March of 2017, production jumped to 284 MB/month, and the last quarter of the year it was hitting 300 MB/mo and more. In 11 months of 2018, it ranged from 310 in Jan to 370 in Dec,
In 2019 it ranged from the (always lower in February) 326, to 402 in December.

As I said before, looking at the EIA chart, and extrapolating the sharply rising line of Trump's production months. it bring that to about 580 MB/month by this time (Dec 2022) if Trump had remained in office. Biden's top was 371, which was topped by Trump NINE TIMES.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

 

[protectionist]

Was it a liberal view when Trump said (talking about red flag laws) "Take the guns first, due process later." It sounds very liberal to me.
Luckily for all of us who support the 2A, that legislation never hit Trumps desk.

 

[dblack]

Cool story. I guess next time myself or Trump get called a “fascist” I can just point them to this thread and tell them no, in fact we are ”lefties”.

Same difference.

 

[protectionist]

pknopp does know what he's talking about. He's spot on. When the tariffs when up, so did the prices we were paying. Companies weren't about to lower their profits.

Maybe you shortfalled on Microeconomics 101 -a course I used to teach in college. Prices were DOWN when Trump was president (gas at the pump prime example), and the firm cannot raise prices whenever it wants to. It is governed by the MARKET.

Ordinarily, prices are ALREADY at the highest point they can go (without triggering sales/profits reductions). That's what establishes a commodity price. The point were consumers stop buying. This can be illustrated with a bell-shaped curve with price going up from left to right on the X axis, and business income going up or down on the Y axis.

Also, when the tariffs went up, China imports went down, and US production (GDP) went up (after sinking badly in Obama's last months), and US jobs increased along with the increases in production.

 

[dblack]

Are lefties really looking at every bill Trump signed for evidence of liberalism? Republicans can't win with this kind of quirky logic.

The parties have largely abandoned any pretense of values or principle. Just win baby.

 

[YoursTruly]

Maybe you shortfalled on Microeconomics 101 -a course I used to teach in college. Prices were DOWN when Trump was president (gas at the pump prime example), and the firm cannot raise prices whenever it wants to. It is governed by the MARKET.

If it was governed by the market, it would never have reached $2 per gallon.
Prices were "stabilizing" when Trump took office because the economic down turn was stabilizing. That's part of the corrections that the market goes through after an economic downturn.

This is what you should've been teaching. That a president has very little to do with market forces. They can't make things better. Only worse. The economic downturn we seen in Biden's first year, was almost solely due to the decisions that were made during the Trump administration, since ALL those economic policies were still in force, up to at least 1 year of Biden's presidency. In other words, the first year, Biden and the country was still going on Trumps policies.
It takes over a year for a new presidents policies to start showing up in the economy.

So I have to question whether you're a real teacher and/or why you're an economic teacher at all.

Ordinarily, prices are ALREADY at the highest point they can go (without triggering sales/profits reductions). That's what establishes a commodity price. The point were consumers stop buying. This can be illustrated with a bell-shaped curve with price going up from left to right on the X axis, and business income going up or down on the Y axis.

Also, when the tariffs went up, China imports went down, and US production (GDP) went up (after sinking badly in Obama's last months), and US jobs increased along with the increases in production.

US production always goes up when the economy is rebounding. This is economic 101. Keep in mind, Trumps first year, he and the country was still going on Obama's policies. Trump was elected in 2016. Took office in 2017. So his policies wouldn't have had any effect on our economy until 2018. But even those are limited. Since the economic uptick has more to do with market forces than government control.
THE only thing the government can do, is make things worse. If the government had no effect on the economy, we'd still have economic boom and bust cycles.

 

[protectionist]

If it was governed by the market, it would never have reached $2 per gallon.
Prices were "stabilizing" when Trump took office because the economic down turn was stabilizing. That's part of the corrections that the market goes through after an economic downturn.

This is what you should've been teaching. That a president has very little to do with market forces. They can't make things better. Only worse. The economic downturn we seen in Biden's first year, was almost solely due to the decisions that were made during the Trump administration, since ALL those economic policies were still in force, up to at least 1 year of Biden's presidency. In other words, the first year, Biden and the country was still going on Trumps policies.
It takes over a year for a new presidents policies to start showing up in the economy.

So I have to question whether you're a real teacher and/or why you're an economic teacher at all.


US production always goes up when the economy is rebounding. This is economic 101. Keep in mind, Trumps first year, he and the country was still going on Obama's policies. Trump was elected in 2016. Took office in 2017. So his policies wouldn't have had any effect on our economy until 2018. But even those are limited. Since the economic uptick has more to do with market forces than government control.
THE only thing the government can do, is make things worse. If the government had no effect on the economy, we'd still have economic boom and bust cycles.

1. It DIDN'T reach $2 gal when Trump was president (except maybe in California crazyland.
2. No, it was not Trump's policies that caused oil production (& thereby other economics) to drop. If you look at the data you'll a big drop in oil production in Biden's first month-resulting from Biden's immediate EO attack on the oil companies. This has continued with more cancellations of drilling in Alaska & the Gulf coast.
3. So yes a president has plenty to do with market forces when he butts in like Biden does.
4. Yes a president can make things worse - exactly what Biden has been doing.