Trump supporter are lefties. And they don't even know it.

[YoursTruly]

1. It DIDN'T reach $2 gal when Trump was president (except maybe in California crazyland.
2. No, it was not Trump's policies that caused oil production (& thereby other economics) to drop. If you look at the data you'll a big drop in oil production in Biden's first month-resulting from Biden's immediate EO attack on the oil companies. This has continued with more cancellations of drilling in Alaska & the Gulf coast.
3. So yes a president has plenty to do with market forces when he butts in like Biden does.
4. Yes a president can make things worse - exactly what Biden has been doing.

You're way off base on oil production drops and Trumps involvement. And easily found on the internet. I've posted many times already. Including links to Fox Business article on his deal with Saudi to lower oil production in April of 2020. Other sources confirmed Trumps deal with Mexico and US oil producers to also lower oil production.

Biden did nothing to stop existing oil production. The drilling permits that were issued, were never revoked. In fact, during Biden's first year, BLM issued more drilling permits that in Trumps first year.
The oil leases Biden cancelled were leases that were years away from production. No drilling permit applications submitted. There wasn't even any geological studies (from the oil companies) done on those locations.

Market forces is just code for "excuse" to charge more for the same thing. At least in this instance. Oil seems to be the only market that fluctuates on a regular cycle. As in every two term president is faced with an oil boom and bust cycle. Prices on every other commodity stays relatively the same. And throw in the fact that oil companies get billions in government subsides,

Biden didn't make things worse for oil companies. They've received record profits this year. "Making things worse" would equate to lower profits.

 

[protectionist]

You're way off base on oil production drops and Trumps involvement. And easily found on the internet. I've posted many times already. Including links to Fox Business article on his deal with Saudi to lower oil production in April of 2020. Other sources confirmed Trumps deal with Mexico and US oil producers to also lower oil production.

Biden did nothing to stop existing oil production. The drilling permits that were issued, were never revoked. In fact, during Biden's first year, BLM issued more drilling permits that in Trumps first year.
The oil leases Biden cancelled were leases that were years away from production. No drilling permit applications submitted. There wasn't even any geological studies (from the oil companies) done on those locations.

Market forces is just code for "excuse" to charge more for the same thing. At least in this instance. Oil seems to be the only market that fluctuates on a regular cycle. As in every two term president is faced with an oil boom and bust cycle. Prices on every other commodity stays relatively the same. And throw in the fact that oil companies get billions in government subsides,

Biden didn't make things worse for oil companies. They've received record profits this year. "Making things worse" would equate to lower profits.

1. It DIDN'T reach $2 gal when Trump was president (except maybe in California crazyland.
2. No, it was not Trump's policies that caused oil production (& thereby other economics) to drop. If you look at the data you'll a big drop in oil production in Biden's first month-resulting from Biden's immediate EO attack on the oil companies. This has continued with more cancellations of drilling in Alaska & the Gulf coast.
3. So yes a president has plenty to do with market forces when he butts in like Biden does.
4. Yes a president can make things worse - exactly what Biden has been doing.
I've already won this debate on this subject, and now I'm going to do it all over again. You're determined to BS your way through this subject of Biden and reduced oil production causing inflation, and I'm just as determined to not let you get away with it.

Trump's last month in office was January 2021 - production was 344 MB/mo. Bidens first month was 277.
A DROP of a whopping 67 MB/mo. Yeah, I 'd call that NOSEDIVE.

Trump' oil production months by far exceeding any of those of Joe Biden.
Trump production
December 2019 - 402.3 Million Barrels/month
January 2020 - 398.4
And Trump exceeded Biden's top month of 371.2 Million Barrels/month NINE TIMES, despite the Obama low production influences and later, the pandemic months reductions. And note also that Biden's top production month of 371.2, was recently in August of 2022, when he started increasing production, to try to lower gas prices, as we started getting closer to the 2022 ELECTION.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

And no matter what you say, when Biden took over, he intentionally had oil production nose dive, and that's just what it did. Not rocket science. Just compare Biden's average monthly oil production for 2021,compared to Trump's average monthly oil production for 2019.

Biden's 2021 average is 341 Million Barrels/month compared to Trump's 374.
Biden's 2022 average (when he ramped up production as the 2022 election drew closer) wasn't much better > 354.

And that "most" of 13 million Barrels /day (Trump's total for Dec. 2019) was a lot more than Biden's "most" of 10 Million B/d

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

												8
2017	275,117	255,081	284,146	273,041	284,727	273,321	286,657	286,759	285,499	299,726	302,564	309,486
2018	310,032	287,870	324,467	314,996	323,491	319,216	337,814	353,154	343,298	356,767	356,583	370,284
2019	367,924	326,845	369,292	364,458	376,763	366,546	368,965	387,073	377,710	397,094	390,010	402,314
2020	398,420	372,419	396,693	357,412	301,105	313,275	341,184	327,875	327,623	324,180	335,867	346,223
2021	344,846	277,891	351,102	339,142	352,036	340,693	351,757	349,600	327,526	358,626	353,702	360,666
2022	352,449	316,851	362,725	350,052	360,503	353,918	367,164	371,339	368,040

Here's part of how Biden reduced oil production and his production was so relatively low. (in addition to stopping the Keystone Pipeline, changing oil company forecasting scenarios, thereby reducing production in accordance)

Biden Cancels Offshore Drilling in Alaska and Gulf of Mexico (msn.com)

And it hardly matters if Biden's numbers increased or decreased. The LEVELS of them are what points to his reductions of production.

Biden's 19 production months have ranged from 277 Million Barrels/mo to his high of 371 Million Barrels/mo. In the same span of 19 months before the pandemic shutdowns really hit in April of 2020, Trump's production months went from 343 to 402.

The median of these for Biden is 324. For Trump - 372

Twisting it and spinning it any way anyone wants to, the bottom line is Biden intentionally cut oil production, and the numbers bear that out.

The real Trump #s would be immensely higher, if we extended the graph line of Trump's rising numbers as they were going before the pandemic drop.

Look at the graph line where it peaked at 402 Million Barrels/mo in December of 2019. Because of the climb up to that point, there is every reason to believe, that had the pandemic shutdowns not occured, that rising line would have continued rising exactly as it was already doing. And if Trump had remained president, and we thereby extend-extrapolate the line to as far as December 2022, we can easily see that it would be at about 580 Million Barrels/mo

(209 million Barrels/mo more than Biden's measly 371 Million).

Go ahead - put a ruler on the line that starts at 2017 when Trump took over, and look at where it goes to for December 2022 > 580 Million

All you're doing is cherry picking numbers where you find they might be able to make Biden look good (and Trump less).. No cigar, dude. But what you can't escape from, is the only important point that OVERALL, Trump's numbers (580 Million Barrels/mo) tower over Biden's puny numbers.

They tower over Biden's puny numbers even without looking at Trump's numbers continuing his rising graph line to December 2022, if he were still president.
Just his numbers from when he was president, are far above Biden.

Here's something else that should make for some good informative reading, to explain how Biden cut oil production, to fulfill his promises to do just that, in the 2020 debate with Trump. And he wasted no time in doing it - just a few days after taking office >>>

President Biden: 'We can't wait any longer' to address climate crisis
New executive orders will target federal subsidies for those industries and halt new oil and gas leases on federal lands and waters.

www.khou.com

And no, "Making things worse" would NOT necessarily equate to lower profits. It just equates to higher prices for consumers, after Biden educed supply .And you are also wrong about production. Production or not, cut offs of oil refining (however it may occur), whether now r in the future do mess with production, as all production Is a combination of supply on hand and FORECASTING.

If you're trying it be a booster for Joe Biden forget it. Boosting black widow spiders would be easier.

 

[YoursTruly]

1. It DIDN'T reach $2 gal when Trump was president (except maybe in California crazyland.
2. No, it was not Trump's policies that caused oil production (& thereby other economics) to drop. If you look at the data you'll a big drop in oil production in Biden's first month-resulting from Biden's immediate EO attack on the oil companies. This has continued with more cancellations of drilling in Alaska & the Gulf coast.
3. So yes a president has plenty to do with market forces when he butts in like Biden does.
4. Yes a president can make things worse - exactly what Biden has been doing.
I've already won this debate on this subject, and now I'm going to do it all over again. You're determined to BS your way through this subject of Biden and reduced oil production causing inflation, and I'm just as determined to not let you get away with it.

Trump's last month in office was January 2021 - production was 344 MB/mo. Bidens first month was 277.
A DROP of a whopping 67 MB/mo. Yeah, I 'd call that NOSEDIVE.

Trump' oil production months by far exceeding any of those of Joe Biden.
Trump production
December 2019 - 402.3 Million Barrels/month
January 2020 - 398.4
And Trump exceeded Biden's top month of 371.2 Million Barrels/month NINE TIMES, despite the Obama low production influences and later, the pandemic months reductions. And note also that Biden's top production month of 371.2, was recently in August of 2022, when he started increasing production, to try to lower gas prices, as we started getting closer to the 2022 ELECTION.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

And no matter what you say, when Biden took over, he intentionally had oil production nose dive, and that's just what it did. Not rocket science. Just compare Biden's average monthly oil production for 2021,compared to Trump's average monthly oil production for 2019.

Biden's 2021 average is 341 Million Barrels/month compared to Trump's 374.
Biden's 2022 average (when he ramped up production as the 2022 election drew closer) wasn't much better > 354.

And that "most" of 13 million Barrels /day (Trump's total for Dec. 2019) was a lot more than Biden's "most" of 10 Million B/d

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

												8
2017	275,117	255,081	284,146	273,041	284,727	273,321	286,657	286,759	285,499	299,726	302,564	309,486
2018	310,032	287,870	324,467	314,996	323,491	319,216	337,814	353,154	343,298	356,767	356,583	370,284
2019	367,924	326,845	369,292	364,458	376,763	366,546	368,965	387,073	377,710	397,094	390,010	402,314
2020	398,420	372,419	396,693	357,412	301,105	313,275	341,184	327,875	327,623	324,180	335,867	346,223
2021	344,846	277,891	351,102	339,142	352,036	340,693	351,757	349,600	327,526	358,626	353,702	360,666
2022	352,449	316,851	362,725	350,052	360,503	353,918	367,164	371,339	368,040

Here's part of how Biden reduced oil production and his production was so relatively low. (in addition to stopping the Keystone Pipeline, changing oil company forecasting scenarios, thereby reducing production in accordance)

Biden Cancels Offshore Drilling in Alaska and Gulf of Mexico (msn.com)

And it hardly matters if Biden's numbers increased or decreased. The LEVELS of them are what points to his reductions of production.

Biden's 19 production months have ranged from 277 Million Barrels/mo to his high of 371 Million Barrels/mo. In the same span of 19 months before the pandemic shutdowns really hit in April of 2020, Trump's production months went from 343 to 402.

The median of these for Biden is 324. For Trump - 372

Twisting it and spinning it any way anyone wants to, the bottom line is Biden intentionally cut oil production, and the numbers bear that out.

The real Trump #s would be immensely higher, if we extended the graph line of Trump's rising numbers as they were going before the pandemic drop.

Look at the graph line where it peaked at 402 Million Barrels/mo in December of 2019. Because of the climb up to that point, there is every reason to believe, that had the pandemic shutdowns not occured, that rising line would have continued rising exactly as it was already doing. And if Trump had remained president, and we thereby extend-extrapolate the line to as far as December 2022, we can easily see that it would be at about 580 Million Barrels/mo

(209 million Barrels/mo more than Biden's measly 371 Million).

Go ahead - put a ruler on the line that starts at 2017 when Trump took over, and look at where it goes to for December 2022 > 580 Million

All you're doing is cherry picking numbers where you find they might be able to make Biden look good (and Trump less).. No cigar, dude. But what you can't escape from, is the only important point that OVERALL, Trump's numbers (580 Million Barrels/mo) tower over Biden's puny numbers.

They tower over Biden's puny numbers even without looking at Trump's numbers continuing his rising graph line to December 2022, if he were still president.
Just his numbers from when he was president, are far above Biden.

Here's something else that should make for some good informative reading, to explain how Biden cut oil production, to fulfill his promises to do just that, in the 2020 debate with Trump. And he wasted no time in doing it - just a few days after taking office >>>

President Biden: 'We can't wait any longer' to address climate crisis
New executive orders will target federal subsidies for those industries and halt new oil and gas leases on federal lands and waters.

www.khou.com

And no, "Making things worse" would NOT necessarily equate to lower profits. It just equates to higher prices for consumers, after Biden educed supply .And you are also wrong about production. Production or not, cut offs of oil refining (however it may occur), whether now r in the future do mess with production, as all production Is a combination of supply on hand and FORECASTING.

If you're trying it be a booster for Joe Biden forget it. Boosting black widow spiders would be easier.

By the time Biden took office, drilling was NOT being done in the US. And wasn't going to be started up again until after Covid. The US oil field lay offs started long before the Biden/Trump election. Record number of layoffs WHEN Trump was president. This bust cycle was coming regardless of who was president.

BTW, all that gibberish about Biden shutting down fossil fuels, was just campaign BS. Like Trump's "Lock her up." Shutting down the oil leases that were not even being explored only equated to the oil futures market ramping up the price per barrel. Biden is the best thing to happen to US oil companies since W. Bush.

 

[TNHarley]

This is a serious question to those of you who still support Trump.

Let's lay a few leftist issues that Trump is guilty of, first.

1. He funded Planned Parenthood, when they were still performing abortions (appropriations bills that he signed)
2. Funded Gender studies in Pakistan and Afghanistan. (Appropriations bills that he signed)
3. Notched our 2A with his bump stock ban. (and don't say it was no big deal, because if Obama or Biden had done it, you'd be screaming your bloody heads off.
4. His socialist Platinum Plan, that gave $500 BILLION to black communities, just because they were black communities. That equates to over $100,000 for ever black man, woman and child in America. You're against reparations, but not against that socialist crap?
5. $6.7 trillion in new spending, in just 4 years.

I could list a dozen of these. And I have listed them somewhere on this forum. But the bottom line is, Trump has taken his supporters so far passed left of center, I don't think you people can even see center anymore. You've forgotten what being right of center meant. In the past 6 years, y'all been so caught up in defending him, sympathizing with him, feeling sorry for him and dividing yourself from fiscal and constitutional conservatives, that you think we're the ones standing left of center.

We, the fiscal and constitutional conservatives are still far right of center. We're still in the same place we was when we were bashing Clinton, W Bush & Obama. And Romney and McCain for that matter. We haven't moved.
But you people jumped on the Trump train and got dumped off on the left side and you don't even realize it.

I seriously don't mean this as an insult. And I apologize if it comes off that way. But honestly, it's like this is the only way to address you Trump supporters. Y'all are as bad as the radical progressives, when trying to talk some conservative sense into you.

I am sure many have said "well, he didnt have a choice but to sign those" which is a cop out.

 

[surada]

1. It DIDN'T reach $2 gal when Trump was president (except maybe in California crazyland.
2. No, it was not Trump's policies that caused oil production (& thereby other economics) to drop. If you look at the data you'll a big drop in oil production in Biden's first month-resulting from Biden's immediate EO attack on the oil companies. This has continued with more cancellations of drilling in Alaska & the Gulf coast.
3. So yes a president has plenty to do with market forces when he butts in like Biden does.
4. Yes a president can make things worse - exactly what Biden has been doing.
I've already won this debate on this subject, and now I'm going to do it all over again. You're determined to BS your way through this subject of Biden and reduced oil production causing inflation, and I'm just as determined to not let you get away with it.

Trump's last month in office was January 2021 - production was 344 MB/mo. Bidens first month was 277.
A DROP of a whopping 67 MB/mo. Yeah, I 'd call that NOSEDIVE.

Trump' oil production months by far exceeding any of those of Joe Biden.
Trump production
December 2019 - 402.3 Million Barrels/month
January 2020 - 398.4
And Trump exceeded Biden's top month of 371.2 Million Barrels/month NINE TIMES, despite the Obama low production influences and later, the pandemic months reductions. And note also that Biden's top production month of 371.2, was recently in August of 2022, when he started increasing production, to try to lower gas prices, as we started getting closer to the 2022 ELECTION.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

And no matter what you say, when Biden took over, he intentionally had oil production nose dive, and that's just what it did. Not rocket science. Just compare Biden's average monthly oil production for 2021,compared to Trump's average monthly oil production for 2019.

Biden's 2021 average is 341 Million Barrels/month compared to Trump's 374.
Biden's 2022 average (when he ramped up production as the 2022 election drew closer) wasn't much better > 354.

And that "most" of 13 million Barrels /day (Trump's total for Dec. 2019) was a lot more than Biden's "most" of 10 Million B/d

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

												8
2017	275,117	255,081	284,146	273,041	284,727	273,321	286,657	286,759	285,499	299,726	302,564	309,486
2018	310,032	287,870	324,467	314,996	323,491	319,216	337,814	353,154	343,298	356,767	356,583	370,284
2019	367,924	326,845	369,292	364,458	376,763	366,546	368,965	387,073	377,710	397,094	390,010	402,314
2020	398,420	372,419	396,693	357,412	301,105	313,275	341,184	327,875	327,623	324,180	335,867	346,223
2021	344,846	277,891	351,102	339,142	352,036	340,693	351,757	349,600	327,526	358,626	353,702	360,666
2022	352,449	316,851	362,725	350,052	360,503	353,918	367,164	371,339	368,040

Here's part of how Biden reduced oil production and his production was so relatively low. (in addition to stopping the Keystone Pipeline, changing oil company forecasting scenarios, thereby reducing production in accordance)

Biden Cancels Offshore Drilling in Alaska and Gulf of Mexico (msn.com)

And it hardly matters if Biden's numbers increased or decreased. The LEVELS of them are what points to his reductions of production.

Biden's 19 production months have ranged from 277 Million Barrels/mo to his high of 371 Million Barrels/mo. In the same span of 19 months before the pandemic shutdowns really hit in April of 2020, Trump's production months went from 343 to 402.

The median of these for Biden is 324. For Trump - 372

Twisting it and spinning it any way anyone wants to, the bottom line is Biden intentionally cut oil production, and the numbers bear that out.

The real Trump #s would be immensely higher, if we extended the graph line of Trump's rising numbers as they were going before the pandemic drop.

Look at the graph line where it peaked at 402 Million Barrels/mo in December of 2019. Because of the climb up to that point, there is every reason to believe, that had the pandemic shutdowns not occured, that rising line would have continued rising exactly as it was already doing. And if Trump had remained president, and we thereby extend-extrapolate the line to as far as December 2022, we can easily see that it would be at about 580 Million Barrels/mo

(209 million Barrels/mo more than Biden's measly 371 Million).

Go ahead - put a ruler on the line that starts at 2017 when Trump took over, and look at where it goes to for December 2022 > 580 Million

All you're doing is cherry picking numbers where you find they might be able to make Biden look good (and Trump less).. No cigar, dude. But what you can't escape from, is the only important point that OVERALL, Trump's numbers (580 Million Barrels/mo) tower over Biden's puny numbers.

They tower over Biden's puny numbers even without looking at Trump's numbers continuing his rising graph line to December 2022, if he were still president.
Just his numbers from when he was president, are far above Biden.

Here's something else that should make for some good informative reading, to explain how Biden cut oil production, to fulfill his promises to do just that, in the 2020 debate with Trump. And he wasted no time in doing it - just a few days after taking office >>>

President Biden: 'We can't wait any longer' to address climate crisis
New executive orders will target federal subsidies for those industries and halt new oil and gas leases on federal lands and waters.

www.khou.com

And no, "Making things worse" would NOT necessarily equate to lower profits. It just equates to higher prices for consumers, after Biden educed supply .And you are also wrong about production. Production or not, cut offs of oil refining (however it may occur), whether now r in the future do mess with production, as all production Is a combination of supply on hand and FORECASTING.

If you're trying it be a booster for Joe Biden forget it. Boosting black widow spiders would be easier.

By next year the US will be a net exporter. Guyana is also coming on strong. The key now is not to have a glut on the market that will drive the ppb down and hurt domestic oil.

You still don't know anything about the keystone XL.. they sure have a major mess with their latest pipeline failure. They were running too much pressure.

 

[YoursTruly]

By next year the US will be a net exporter. Guyana is also coming on strong. The key now is not to have a glut on the market that will drive the ppb down and hurt domestic oil.

You still don't know anything about the keystone XL.. they sure have a major mess with their latest pipeline failure. They were running too much pressure.

In the next few years, Mexico will have it's enormous refinery built, so we're going to lose a lot of our refined export numbers.
Funny thing about those numbers. Mexico, for a very long time, have been sending us oil to refine for them. But the "refined" export numbers were still calculated with the Mexico oil we were refining. It was their oil. All we did was refine it and ship it back. And they paid for the refining of it.
But the way they word it, and put the numbers in, it makes it look like we produced the oil, refined it, then sold it to Mexico.

Just a sneaking way to bump up our numbers.

 

[protectionist]

By the time Biden took office, drilling was NOT being done in the US. And wasn't going to be started up again until after Covid. The US oil field lay offs started long before the Biden/Trump election. Record number of layoffs WHEN Trump was president. This bust cycle was coming regardless of who was president.

BTW, all that gibberish about Biden shutting down fossil fuels, was just campaign BS. Like Trump's "Lock her up." Shutting down the oil leases that were not even being explored only equated to the oil futures market ramping up the price per barrel. Biden is the best thing to happen to US oil companies since W. Bush.

Biden took over Jan 21, 2021. That month oil production was 344,846.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

If drilling wasn't being done, how did they produce all that oil ? Wish it out of the ground ? And if record numbers of layoffs of oil workers occured "WHEN Trump was president", how is it that Trump's oil production numbers were how so HIGH compared to Biden ?

And if it's "gibberish about Biden shutting down fossil fuels" How is it that Biden is the one who repeatedly said he intended to do just that ? And then did it.(as my links show)

Yeah, it was campaign talk all right, And Biden is the one who did that talking (and Kamala Harris) Pheeew!

Nice try at spinning this whole thing 180 degrees around. Take it to some 3rd grade kids.

 

[YoursTruly]

Trump haters are the most clueless creatures in politics

Trump is strongly supported by conservatives but no one said he was 100% with conservatives all the time

Yes Trump drifts left on some issues but when it counts the most he’s more than conservative enough

One example is the open border with Mexico

No other political figure is as trustworthy as he is on that issue

Trump is supported by CINO's. (conservative in name only). He's supported actually by liberal republicans like McCarthy.
Fiscal and constitutional conservatives don't actually support Trump because he's too left of center for them. He spent too much and authorized too much unconstitutional legislation.
They may not publicly call him out on his leftist ways, because they have seen what happens to people like Amash who did that. Amash was one of THE most fiscal and constitutional conservatives elected at the time. The best voting record of anyone while he was in office, and he still got the boot.
Thomas Massie was primaried by the Trump, via the RNC, because he wouldn't vote yes on the unconstitutionality of the NDAA and FISA (702). (warrantless spying on Americans)

So when you say conservatives support Trump, I don't think you really understand the word "conservative." But you're not alone. Lot's of folks don't.

 

[protectionist]

By next year the US will be a net exporter. Guyana is also coming on strong. The key now is not to have a glut on the market that will drive the ppb down and hurt domestic oil.

You still don't know anything about the keystone XL.. they sure have a major mess with their latest pipeline failure. They were running too much pressure.

"By next year" ? Why should we have to wait a YEAR ? When Trump was president, we were fully energy independent, were the #1 energy producer in the world, and we were exporting oil like crazy.

The very fact that you say "By next year", is just another indicator of the ditch Biden has driven us into regarding oil production.

Whatever problems the Keystone Pipeline is having, has nothing to do with Biden shutting it down from us, and further adding to our oil production supply trouble.

 

[protectionist]

Trump is supported by CINO's. (conservative in name only). He's supported actually by liberal republicans like McCarthy.
Fiscal and constitutional conservatives don't actually support Trump because he's too left of center for them. He spent too much and authorized too much unconstitutional legislation.
They may not publicly call him out on his leftist ways, because they have seen what happens to people like Amash who did that. Amash was one of THE most fiscal and constitutional conservatives elected at the time. The best voting record of anyone while he was in office, and he still got the boot.
Thomas Massie was primaried by the Trump, via the RNC, because he wouldn't vote yes on the unconstitutionality of the NDAA and FISA (702). (warrantless spying on Americans)

So when you say conservatives support Trump, I don't think you really understand the word "conservative." But you're not alone. Lot's of folks don't.

Do you have the foggiest idea of what Trump got accomplished in his 4 years ?

 

[Mac-7]

Trump is supported by CINO's. (conservative in name only). He's supported actually by liberal republicans like McCarthy.
Fiscal and constitutional conservatives don't actually support Trump because he's too left of center for them. He spent too much and authorized too much unconstitutional legislation.
They may not publicly call him out on his leftist ways, because they have seen what happens to people like Amash who did that. Amash was one of THE most fiscal and constitutional conservatives elected at the time. The best voting record of anyone while he was in office, and he still got the boot.
Thomas Massie was primaried by the Trump, via the RNC, because he wouldn't vote yes on the unconstitutionality of the NDAA and FISA (702). (warrantless spying on Americans)

So when you say conservatives support Trump, I don't think you really understand the word "conservative." But you're not alone. Lot's of folks don't.

You must be a My-Way-Or-The-Highway old school republicans

 

[dblack]

It doesn't seem like Trump even thinks in terms of ideology or principle. He just does whatever will get him the most attention - positive, negative, whatever. If it keeps his face on TV, he'll do it.

 

[YoursTruly]

You must be a My-Way-Or-The-Highway old school republicans

It's called fiscal and constitutional conservatism. And it's the ONLY way to keep from losing millions of jobs to countries like China. It's the only way to keep $5hr a livable wage here.
It's the only way to keep from going trillions in debt to China and Japan.
It's the only way to keep from being $31 trillion in the hole to the Federal Reserve.

My or the highway? That's sort of an over dramatic way of putting it, don't you think? Considering how many jobs we've lost to countries like China, seems Americans should've been voting for fiscal conservatives, instead of the big spending liberal republicans like Trump, McConnell & McCarthy.

 

[YoursTruly]

Do you have the foggiest idea of what Trump got accomplished in his 4 years ?

Yeah, I seen the list. It's been posted 1,000 times.
But the funny thing about that list, it always casts Trump is a good light. Take the "Platinum Plan" for example. It's on the list. And most people never even heard of it. The way it, and many other things on that list, is worded, you'd think Trump was some sort of awesome guy.

But when you realize he took $500 BILLION of our tax dollars, which was borrowed from the Fed and decrease the value of our existing currency, and gave it all to black communities, just because they're black communities, it doesn't seem so awesome.
Especially when you consider a few facts.
1. When the government throws money at anything, it doesn't fix it.
2. Black communities already get hundreds of billions in section 8, food stamps and all sort of other welfare scemes.
3. There's a lot of other non government help (that's usually funded in some form or fashion by the government) to help black communities with higher education, planned parenthood and all sort of other programs.

But Trump throws $500 billion into these communities and it's all wasted. That $500 billion was better off staying with the fed. Because now, the crime problem is even bigger than before. The drug problem is bigger. The new street lights will be shot out. The shelters will be too unsafe. The new "projects" will be painted with graffiti. Roaches and mice will infect them. And they're probably already turned into shitholes.

 

[protectionist]

Yeah, I seen the list. It's been posted 1,000 times.
But the funny thing about that list, it always casts Trump is a good light. Take the "Platinum Plan" for example. It's on the list. And most people never even heard of it. The way it, and many other things on that list, is worded, you'd think Trump was some sort of awesome guy.

But when you realize he took $500 BILLION of our tax dollars, which was borrowed from the Fed and decrease the value of our existing currency, and gave it all to black communities, just because they're black communities, it doesn't seem so awesome.
Especially when you consider a few facts.
1. When the government throws money at anything, it doesn't fix it.
2. Black communities already get hundreds of billions in section 8, food stamps and all sort of other welfare scemes.
3. There's a lot of other non government help (that's usually funded in some form or fashion by the government) to help black communities with higher education, planned parenthood and all sort of other programs.

But Trump throws $500 billion into these communities and it's all wasted. That $500 billion was better off staying with the fed. Because now, the crime problem is even bigger than before. The drug problem is bigger. The new street lights will be shot out. The shelters will be too unsafe. The new "projects" will be painted with graffiti. Roaches and mice will infect them. And they're probably already turned into shitholes.

I have no idea what you're taking about. WHAT "list" ? I have a list of Trump accomplishments which I've posted a number of times (Platinum Plan is not on it)

TRUMP ACCOMPLISHMENTS
1. RECORD positive numbers on the economy, record highs in stock market, despite Covid shutdowns
2. stopped the absurd practice of giving China unrestricted access to our valuable market, and reduced the amount of imports coming from China.
3. holding China accountable for cyber theft,
4. taking Mexico and Central American countries to task for illegal immigration,
5. created 10 million jobs in 4 months, created over 400,000 manufacturing jobs,
6. unemployment claims hit 50 year low,
7. lowest unemployment for blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and disabled in US history, 8.lowest unemployment for women in over 70 years,
9. lowest unemployment rate in US history for Americans without a high school diploma,
10. 4 million Americans off food stamps,
11. vocational training topped 4 million - highest in US history
12. highest median wage in US history .
13. Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE,
14. FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in US history. > drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases,
15. reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars,
16. Signed Right-To-Try legislation,
17. $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic (the most in US history),
18. Signed VA Accountability Act,
19. expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care (I got surgeries and benefits from this myself),
20. United States was a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957,
21. withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord,
22. pressured NATO allies, and they're spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016,
23. made the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces, first in US history.
24. withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal, 25. moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem,
25. protected Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court,
26. issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay,
27. MCA deal,
28. reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports
29. greatest number of heavily attended rallies in US history
30. net exports increased $59 Billion in 2018, largest 1 yr increase in US history.
31. improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement,
32. we were BUILDING THE WALL, first in US history
33. provided quality detention centers for migrant children in Southwest Key Programs
34. created 8,700 Opportunity Zones with investment incentives for companies to invest in distressed communities.
35. Got Israel/UAE/Bahrain agreement (the Abraham Accord), establishing Middle East peace
36. Defeated ISIS and killed their leaders incl. # 1 al Baghdadi.
37. Killed Iranian terrorist leader Sulemani.
38. Stopped domestic terrorist mobs by sending federal troops & National Guard
39. regulations cut at level the most in US history, further boosting the economy
40. opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines, and increased drilling, thereby making America # 1 energy producer in the world (no other president ever did that),
41. rebuilt the US military to a $721 Billion/yr budget
42. increased wages for military personnel
43. Through the COVID pandemic, our Covid mortality rate was REDUCED from over 17,000/week in April. to about 2000/week in June. and remained very low throughout the year, as a result of the many smart things that the president has done.
90% REDUCTION. > HUGE SUCCESS.
44. Massive production of Ventilators - These were left in short supply after the Obama/Biden admin (we now have so many we're exporting them),
45. the Navy hospital ships sent to New York & LA.
46. the stimulus checks,
47. The Task Force advice (ex. social distancing),
48. opposition/criticism of New York's dumb nursing home policies,
49. federal aid to hospitals, rapidly expanding production & distribution of medical supplies
50. travel bans (which Democrats called Trump a "racist' for),
51. Trump's advocacy of Hydroxychloriquin (now proven to be effective, despite criticism from Democrats), and Regeneron.
52. fast, continual development of a vaccine, and rapid success of Operation Warp Speed.
53. Created & signed the MISSION ACT, replacing the failed Obama Choice Act
54. Presided over the largest GDP growth (35.2%) in US history.
55. Got $ 250 Million/year to black colleges.

 

[YoursTruly]

I have no idea what you're taking about. WHAT "list" ? I have a list of Trump accomplishments which I've posted a number of times (Platinum Plan is not on it)

You're a Trump supporter and you haven't seen "the list." Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

TRUMP ACCOMPLISHMENTS
1. RECORD positive numbers on the economy, record highs in stock market, despite Covid shutdowns
2. stopped the absurd practice of giving China unrestricted access to our valuable market, and reduced the amount of imports coming from China.
3. holding China accountable for cyber theft,
4. taking Mexico and Central American countries to task for illegal immigration,
5. created 10 million jobs in 4 months, created over 400,000 manufacturing jobs,
6. unemployment claims hit 50 year low,
7. lowest unemployment for blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and disabled in US history, 8.lowest unemployment for women in over 70 years,
9. lowest unemployment rate in US history for Americans without a high school diploma,
10. 4 million Americans off food stamps,
11. vocational training topped 4 million - highest in US history
12. highest median wage in US history .
13. Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE,
14. FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in US history. > drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases,
15. reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars,
16. Signed Right-To-Try legislation,
17. $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic (the most in US history),
18. Signed VA Accountability Act,
19. expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care (I got surgeries and benefits from this myself),
20. United States was a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957,
21. withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord,
22. pressured NATO allies, and they're spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016,
23. made the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces, first in US history.
24. withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal, 25. moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem,
25. protected Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court,
26. issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay,
27. MCA deal,
28. reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports
29. greatest number of heavily attended rallies in US history
30. net exports increased $59 Billion in 2018, largest 1 yr increase in US history.
31. improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement,
32. we were BUILDING THE WALL, first in US history
33. provided quality detention centers for migrant children in Southwest Key Programs
34. created 8,700 Opportunity Zones with investment incentives for companies to invest in distressed communities.
35. Got Israel/UAE/Bahrain agreement (the Abraham Accord), establishing Middle East peace
36. Defeated ISIS and killed their leaders incl. # 1 al Baghdadi.
37. Killed Iranian terrorist leader Sulemani.
38. Stopped domestic terrorist mobs by sending federal troops & National Guard
39. regulations cut at level the most in US history, further boosting the economy
40. opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines, and increased drilling, thereby making America # 1 energy producer in the world (no other president ever did that),
41. rebuilt the US military to a $721 Billion/yr budget
42. increased wages for military personnel
43. Through the COVID pandemic, our Covid mortality rate was REDUCED from over 17,000/week in April. to about 2000/week in June. and remained very low throughout the year, as a result of the many smart things that the president has done.
90% REDUCTION. > HUGE SUCCESS.
44. Massive production of Ventilators - These were left in short supply after the Obama/Biden admin (we now have so many we're exporting them),
45. the Navy hospital ships sent to New York & LA.
46. the stimulus checks,
47. The Task Force advice (ex. social distancing),
48. opposition/criticism of New York's dumb nursing home policies,
49. federal aid to hospitals, rapidly expanding production & distribution of medical supplies
50. travel bans (which Democrats called Trump a "racist' for),
51. Trump's advocacy of Hydroxychloriquin (now proven to be effective, despite criticism from Democrats), and Regeneron.
52. fast, continual development of a vaccine, and rapid success of Operation Warp Speed.
53. Created & signed the MISSION ACT, replacing the failed Obama Choice Act
54. Presided over the largest GDP growth (35.2%) in US history.
55. Got $ 250 Million/year to black colleges.

1. We don't live in a dictatorship, so the president has very little control over the economy.
2. He restricted the free market economy, by restricting our purchases from China. That's not a good thing.
3. No he didn't.
4. No he didn't
5. No he didn't. The government can only create government jobs.
6. People went back to work because they chose to. Not because Trump got them a job. Not because Trump ended welfare and forced them to go to work. BTW, the governments job numbers are about as lame as the Covid numbers.
7. 7 to 9, see #6
10. Trump didn't do that. Also see #6. When people choose to go back to work, they lose benefits. The people made that choice. Not Trump.
11. LMAO.. Socialized education. And you support that? One libtard supporting another.
12. The value of the USD is in the toilet. Obviously wages have to increase or the country goes into a 1929 like depression. You're easily manipulated by rhetoric like this, aren't you?

There's soooo much BS in some or all of these. Seriously, bragging about the wall? FFS, Obama had more miles built that Trump. Giving Trump credit for the Covid numbers?
Dude, did you read any of these before you posted them? They're pathetic.

$250 million a year for black colleges? WTF is wrong with black folks that they can't go to college without the government paying for it? Black colleges? That's F'n racist.

 

[protectionist]

You're a Trump supporter and you haven't seen "the list." Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight


1. We don't live in a dictatorship, so the president has very little control over the economy.
2. He restricted the free market economy, by restricting our purchases from China. That's not a good thing.
3. No he didn't.
4. No he didn't
5. No he didn't. The government can only create government jobs.
6. People went back to work because they chose to. Not because Trump got them a job. Not because Trump ended welfare and forced them to go to work. BTW, the governments job numbers are about as lame as the Covid numbers.
7. 7 to 9, see #6
10. Trump didn't do that. Also see #6. When people choose to go back to work, they lose benefits. The people made that choice. Not Trump.
11. LMAO.. Socialized education. And you support that? One libtard supporting another.
12. The value of the USD is in the toilet. Obviously wages have to increase or the country goes into a 1929 like depression. You're easily manipulated by rhetoric like this, aren't you?

There's soooo much BS in some or all of these. Seriously, bragging about the wall? FFS, Obama had more miles built that Trump. Giving Trump credit for the Covid numbers?
Dude, did you read any of these before you posted them? They're pathetic.

$250 million a year for black colleges? WTF is wrong with black folks that they can't go to college without the government paying for it? Black colleges? That's F'n racist.

I have no time for idiot posters.

 

[YoursTruly]

Do you have the foggiest idea of what Trump got accomplished in his 4 years ?

I've listed some of his accomplishment.

$500 billion to black communities, just because they're black communities. That socialism and racist.
Hundreds of millions of racist black colleges.
Funded planned parenthood and abortions
Notched our 2A with his bump stock ban
Funded Ukraine.
Struck a deal with OPEC, Mexico and US oil companies to slash oil production, (which is what started the oil bust cycle we're just coming out of now.
$6.7 TRILLION in new spending under Trump (appropriation bills that HE signed into law)

Those are his accomplishment. And it's why you Trump supporters ae scum sucking libtards for still supporting him.

 

[YoursTruly]

I have no time for idiot posters.

Oh buy you've got time to list over 50 things you think Trump did, that was good for the country. 90% of them were extremely liberal or socialist. Some were bias (giving money to JUST black organizations, colleges and blacks themselves) To hell with any other race that would need it too.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I absolutely support that. They will come to an agreement.

When Trump threatened to veto the budget I said I supported him doing it. Not that I really believed he would.

The search mechanism is lousy here but here is where I a condemned Obama for not doing it.

We already know know Trump can't rein in govt spending, so what plan do the Dems have to lower spending?




Nope. I would support him.

/---/ Let's see if Joe vetoes this bloated bill and shuts down the government, what da ya think?