Trump stopped from shutting down the Department of Education

[Votto]

Another Slapdown for Trump as Education Dept. Is Saved

President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education. Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.” He glossed over White House Press Secretary...

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President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education.

Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.”

He glossed over White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s earlier remarks that the Education Department would continue to handle student loans and Pell grants as well as other “critical functions,” including enforcing some civil rights laws and programs for students with disabilities.

The U-turn comes amid concern in the administration that Congress would balk at Trump’s plan to shutter the entire department.

Trump said he hoped that, “ultimately,” a bill would go before Congress to shut down the agency altogether.

“The Department of Education will be much smaller than it is today,” White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said ahead of Trump’s announcement. “When it comes to student loans and Pell grants, those will still be run out of the Department of Education. But we don’t need to be spending more than $3 trillion over the course of a few decades on a department that’s clearly failing in its initial intention to educate our students.”

What seems strange to me is that Congress and the Judicial branch seemingly has power over the Executive Branch. Why is that?

Trump is at the head of the Executive Branch, so it stands to reason he should be in control over it. It would be akin to Trump telling Congress what to do in any way with their branch.

Congress should have created the Fourth Branch of government under the Legislative branch instead of the Executive if they wanted to keep control over it.

Of course, you have an army of Federal judges doing the same thing to Trump, trying to tell him what he can and cannot do under the Constitution. But if I recall, the Constitution has nothing to say about an absolute army of unelected bureaucrats basically running the country.

Nothing.

 

[berg80]

What seems strange to me is that Congress and the Judicial branch seemingly has power over the Executive Branch. Why is that?

The separation of powers, a core principle of the U.S. government, divides governmental authority into three distinct branches: legislative, executive, and judicial, each with its own powers and responsibilities, to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful.

 

[1srelluc]

Fine, just gut it like a fish and move the remnants to a Quonset Hut in AK.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Votto]

The separation of powers, a core principle of the U.S. government, divides governmental authority into three distinct branches: legislative, executive, and judicial, each with its own powers and responsibilities, to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful.

Again, isn't it breaking the separation of powers by the Legislative and Judicial branch telling the Executive Branch how to run their affairs?

 

[ColonelAngus]

No one learned anything before 1980.

Without the DOE, no more learning in the USA.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Another Slapdown for Trump as Education Dept. Is Saved

President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education. Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.” He glossed over White House Press Secretary...

www.yahoo.com

President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education.

Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.”

He glossed over White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s earlier remarks that the Education Department would continue to handle student loans and Pell grants as well as other “critical functions,” including enforcing some civil rights laws and programs for students with disabilities.

The U-turn comes amid concern in the administration that Congress would balk at Trump’s plan to shutter the entire department.

Trump said he hoped that, “ultimately,” a bill would go before Congress to shut down the agency altogether.

“The Department of Education will be much smaller than it is today,” White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said ahead of Trump’s announcement. “When it comes to student loans and Pell grants, those will still be run out of the Department of Education. But we don’t need to be spending more than $3 trillion over the course of a few decades on a department that’s clearly failing in its initial intention to educate our students.”

What seems strange to me is that Congress and the Judicial branch seemingly has power over the Executive Branch. Why is that?

Trump is at the head of the Executive Branch, so it stands to reason he should be in control over it. It would be akin to Trump telling Congress what to do in any way with their branch.

Congress should have created the Fourth Branch of government under the Legislative branch instead of the Executive if they wanted to keep control over it.

Of course, you have an army of Federal judges doing the same thing to Trump, trying to tell him what he can and cannot do under the Constitution. But if I recall, the Constitution has nothing to say about an absolute army of unelected bureaucrats basically running the country.

Nothing.

/---/ The democRATs never learn. When faced with initial rejection, President Trump doesn't give up.

 

[Mac1958]

The separation of powers, a core principle of the U.S. government, divides governmental authority into three distinct branches: legislative, executive, and judicial, each with its own powers and responsibilities, to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful.

MAGA no longer appears to believe that.

 

[Mac-7]

The Department of Education will be much smaller than it is today,” White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said

Thats a win for trump and the American people even if its not a total victory

 

[Frankenstein]

The separation of powers, a core principle of the U.S. government, divides governmental authority into three distinct branches: legislative, executive, and judicial, each with its own powers and responsibilities, to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful.

So who then keeps the Judicial from overstepping, because they need to step up and let these judges know that they are overstepping their authority. You are an enemy of the people

 

[Darkwind]

Not every solution comes at the swipe of a pen on an EO/EA.

It has always been the case that Congress needs to shutter that department entirely. However, the executive should not fund it. That way, It's still a department but not one with the money to do anything. As for student loans and Pell Grants, those can be handled elsewhere while they are done away with. The government has no authority over student loans, or at least they should not have that authority.

The alleged right is getting out of hand with these EO/EA things.

Take the birthright citizen thing. The 14th needs to be amended so that one of the parents of a birth is a citizen of this country or the child does not get to be an anchor baby.

BUT damnit people. Do you really want the Presdient to have the authority to amend and change Amendments to the Constitution? What the hell will you do when the next Marxist Democrat gets elected to that office?

Consequences matter. Do not give Trump authority you would not want a Democrat to have.

 

[Frankenstein]

Again, isn't it breaking the separation of powers by the Legislative and Judicial branch telling the Executive Branch how to run their affairs?

Yes, but he doesn't care because it keeps us from dismantling bloated bureaucratic institutions!

 

[M14 Shooter]

What seems strange to me is that Congress and the Judicial branch seemingly has power over the Executive Branch. Why is that?

Congress created the Department of Education.
The President can do a lot of things to the DoEd, but he can't actually close the doors.

 

[Darkwind]

The separation of powers, a core principle of the U.S. government, divides governmental authority into three distinct branches: legislative, executive, and judicial, each with its own powers and responsibilities, to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful.

So then you agree that the Executive should not exercise Judicial power yet you are okay with the Judicial -- Which, btw, consisted fo ONE Supreme Court -- exercising Executive authority.

That disconnect is becoming very apparent to the rest of the country.

 

[Votto]

Congress created the department of Education.
The President can do a lot of things to the DoEd but he can't actually close the doors.

Why not keep the Department of Education then under the Legislative Branch then?

The whole construct seems asinine as the Legislative Branch then dictates how the Executive Branch conducts itself to run their own affairs or do away with it altogether.

If that is the case, then the Legislative Branch does not recognize the separation of powers within the Executive Branch

That alone is a Constitutional crisis.

 

[berg80]

Again, isn't it breaking the separation of powers by the Legislative and Judicial branch telling the Executive Branch how to run their affairs?

That's a curious way of putting the admin breaking laws and violating protocols.

 

[AntonToo]

What seems strange to me is that Congress and the Judicial branch seemingly has power over the Executive Branch. Why is that?

I suggest you get an answer to that question by simply READING THE CONSTITUTION.

 

[Votto]

So then you agree that the Executive should not exercise Judicial power yet you are okay with the Judicial -- Which, btw, consisted fo ONE Supreme Court -- exercising Executive authority.

That disconnect is becoming very apparent to the rest of the country.

They cry about Elon Musk because no one elected him to do the things he is doing, but then ignore the millions and millions of unelected bureacrats that the Left has no problem with running the lives of the average citizen

At the bare minimum, anytime a new President comes to power he gets a whole new army of unelected bureaucrats to better honor the will of the American people to change course rather than just keep them there for life whether they are good or bad for the country.

 

[Darkwind]

I suggest you get an answer to that question by READING THE CONSTITUTION.

The problem with this reply is that a Reading of the Constitution lands squarely on Trumps side and the left won't accept that.

 

[Votto]

I suggest you get an answer to that question by READING THE CONSTITUTION.

So, you are unable to articulate a retort

As I suspected.