Trump shooting is the price you pay for freedom

I don’t see any charges of attempted assassination
/----/ ...though more serious charges are likely pending. He has not yet been charged in relation to the apparent assassination attempt on Trump, though he is likely to eventually face charges of making threats against a former president, or against a candidate for president who is protected by the Secret Service.
 
He claimed Trump wants to “make Americans slaves against master.”

It's true! The shooter is right. He was just wrong for trying to shoot Trump.

“DEMOCRACY is on the ballot and we cannot lose,” he wrote, a slogan similar to those commonly used by Biden and Harris.

“We cannot afford to fail,” Routh continued. “The world is counting on us to show the way.”

This is similar to language that Harris continues to use on the campaign trail. On Aug. 29, she said at a rally in Savannah, Ga., “We are fighting for our democracy.”

We are fighting for our Democracy. Sorry the shooter just happens to be right.

Tom Fitton, president of the conservative legal group Judicial Watch, told The Post: “It is no coincidence that Routh repeated Kamala’s and Joe’s extremist rhetoric against Trump. At this point it is inexcusable incitement.”

What a joke. After all the violent shit Trump said, if it's coming back to bite him in the ass, that's on him. If now you see your words have consequences.

Kamala didn't say anything wrong. Democracy is at stake. We see what the corrupt Supreme Court and Republicans are up to.
Did you swallow that all at once?
 
Did you swallow that all at once?
But when Republicans say that same shit about Democrats, you swallow it.

Yes, I believe since 1978, the rich, corporations, Bush's, Trump's, Republicans have waged war against the American middle class.

Why? Because we are the highest paid workers in the world. We were outsourcing jobs to where things can be made cheaper. Republicans started NAFTA Clinton only signed it. And now, I'm for NAFTA. I'm not against free trade. But we need to protect our vital industries, manufacturing. All those union jobs should have stayed in America.
 
But when Republicans say that same shit about Democrats, you swallow it.

Yes, I believe since 1978, the rich, corporations, Bush's, Trump's, Republicans have waged war against the American middle class.

Why? Because we are the highest paid workers in the world. We were outsourcing jobs to where things can be made cheaper. Republicans started NAFTA Clinton only signed it. And now, I'm for NAFTA. I'm not against free trade. But we need to protect our vital industries, manufacturing. All those union jobs should have stayed in America.
/---/ Sometimes the stars align, and we agree on some things.
 
/---/ Sometimes the stars align, and we agree on some things.

And I told people back then "I'll be fine. I have a college degree".

So while my co workers should probably organize and demand more, I make great money. They all know it and can't help show it. They gripe I should do everything when I ask them to do their job because "I make commission I should do it myself"

Sorry *****, you're my shipper. Ship it. Or your my invoicer, invoice it. They cry but funny no one wanted my job when I first started.

Anyways, don't want to go into a rant but as a college educated man, I make almost exactly what I should be making. About $3,500 more than the average worker in America. I have a college degree and we expect to make about $1 million more over a 30 year career.

But even what i make doesn't seem to be enough to raise a family. I know I could but I'm glad I don't.

Sorry, got off track again. Point is, if unions were still relevant, the average worker would make a little closer to what I'm making. AND, they got pensions. If I took the job with Ford I had lined up when I was 17, I'd be retired already after 30 years. 47 and retired. INSTEAD I'm college educated and have to work till at least 62.
 

JD Vance spelled it out after the Mamphis school shooting . And in his veiled threat to Taylor Swift.
Why should the under siege American people spare any symppathy for trump when he ignores all the other gun deaths in the US. The GOP blocks every gun control initiative vut now wants sympathy for this failed attempt..
Reaping and sewing guys.

Of coutse America should be able to run an election without gunfire. But until you create a society where guns are not relevant this is just the price you pay. Like JD said when those children in Memphis were slaughtered.

nb Vance actually said shootings were "a fact of life" which is pretty much the same Antoinette type of brainless comment. Let them eat cake indeed.
Did you see anyone take a shot at Biden, Harris, Obama, Clinton, Carter? Ever see anyone shoot democrat congressmen at a baseball game? Why are virtually all the presidential assassins democrats? People forget, but even Bush had an Armenian democrat throw a grenade at him, but fortunately it didnt go off.

Democrats are BY FAR the most violent political party in existence. You motherfuckers riot, rob and murder continuously.
 
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"The 2nd specifically suggests that a 'well regulated' militia" is desirable. And in the context of the war with Britain and the absence of standing army......armed citizen militias was the best prophylactic against aggression by foreign intruders coveting American soil, commerce, resources."

And you seemingly think that when the founders inserted "well regulated militia" they were contemplating you being armed if you disagreed with your local drain commissioner?
Wrong again. Your argument is voided by the fact that State constitutions, dating as far back as the constitution, gives the rights for citizens to bear arms. Pennsylvania and Massachusetts are two of them specifically, with verbiage that is even more specific than the constitutions.

The founding fathers were weary of any gov't backed "standing army". Therefore militias were state driven and organized, by whom, the citizens who were legally allowed to bear arms. When needed, those militias could be called upon to protect self, city, state, and country from both foreign and domestic tyranny.

And yes, you could take up arms against your local drain commissioner if they violated your constitutional rights and that was the means to do so. Look up the battle of athens, which happened because of election fraud.
 
But when Republicans say that same shit about Democrats, you swallow it.

Yes, I believe since 1978, the rich, corporations, Bush's, Trump's, Republicans have waged war against the American middle class.

Why? Because we are the highest paid workers in the world. We were outsourcing jobs to where things can be made cheaper. Republicans started NAFTA Clinton only signed it. And now, I'm for NAFTA. I'm not against free trade. But we need to protect our vital industries, manufacturing. All those union jobs should have stayed in America.
Greatest separation in wealth occurs under Democrats, that is when the rich get richer. Blame who you need but don’t lie to me, it doesn’t work.
 
The founding fathers were weary of any gov't backed "standing army". Therefore militias were state driven and organized, by whom, the citizens who were legally allowed to bear arms. When needed, those militias could be called upon to protect self, city, state, and country from both foreign and domestic tyranny.

I agree, in part.
However, well regulated militias were the thought-to-be tool of necessity that the nation could employ against enemies. And the individuals within those well-regulated militias were specifically allowed to have firearms (or be "armed") as 'tools-of-necessity' for the militias themselves, and the defense of the nation.


But none of that should condone the 15yr old with a Glock-21 shooting up his gym class....'"cause he has a right to defend himself". Nor does it pre-ordain the pissed off husband shooting his wife because she threw a fry-pan at him. Guns have a place in our society. And that place is NOT everywhere, at all times, by most anybody.
Words have meaning, and "Well Regulated" means what it says.


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And yes, you could take up arms against your local drain commissioner if they violated your constitutional rights
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No, you cannot.
Think through what you just posted.
An armed angry jackass is NOT the agency by which redress of poor decisions by drain commissioners, Township Clerks, or Presidents is permitted by our Constitution, let alone a single Amendment to that Constitution.

To allow every pissed off jackass to threaten with a gun the County Recorder because there was a sloppy deed recording is utter nonsense. I know you know that.

To suggest all governance officials are subject to armed threat because some jackass thinks they are "un-Constitutional" is silly, foolish, ignorant, and dangerous.


No disrespect intended.
 
Greatest separation in wealth occurs under Democrats, that is when the rich get richer. Blame who you need but don’t lie to me, it doesn’t work.
It started with Reagan. His policies made workers poorer and CEOs richer.

Great example. Clinton raided 400 illegal employers every year. Bush 4.

Republican policies from Reagan to bush 2 are ******* you now.

We don’t give the rich tax breaks. Trump doubled the number of companies who now pay no federal taxes.

The Republican Supreme Court justices decisions make the rich richer.

I could go on and on. Now you explain how or what democrat policies make the rich richer
 
It started with Reagan. His policies made workers poorer and CEOs richer.

Great example. Clinton raided 400 illegal employers every year. Bush 4.

Republican policies from Reagan to bush 2 are ******* you now.

We don’t give the rich tax breaks. Trump doubled the number of companies who now pay no federal taxes.

The Republican Supreme Court justices decisions make the rich richer.

I could go on and on. Now you explain how or what democrat policies make the rich richer
/——/ “I could go on and on”
And yet you never say anything credible with linked sources.
BTW, numbnuts, corporations don’t pay taxes. They treat them as overhead and pass them on to the consumer in the form of higher prices. How much more do you want to pay for stuff? Moron.
 
/——/ “I could go on and on”
And yet you never say anything credible with linked sources.
BTW, numbnuts, corporations don’t pay taxes. They treat them as overhead and pass them on to the consumer in the form of higher prices. How much more do you want to pay for stuff? Moron.
I don’t care if they pass on the costs to consumers. You’re not our only concern
 
Who IS your collective concern?
The middle class. Because the rich just keep getting richer. Somethings not right with our current form of capitalism.

For example, social security and Medicare. Strengthen them bad boys. Right?
 
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The middle class. Because the rich just keep getting richer. Somethings not right with our current form of capitalism.

For example, social security and Medicare. Strengthen them bad boys. Right?
What’s wrong, in your opinion, with our “current form of capitalism”?

And, how would you fix it?
 
I don’t care if they pass on the costs to consumers. You’re not our only concern
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I agree, in part.
However, well regulated militias were the thought-to-be tool of necessity that the nation could employ against enemies. And the individuals within those well-regulated militias were specifically allowed to have firearms (or be "armed") as 'tools-of-necessity' for the militias themselves, and the defense of the nation.


But none of that should condone the 15yr old with a Glock-21 shooting up his gym class....'"cause he has a right to defend himself". Nor does it pre-ordain the pissed off husband shooting his wife because she threw a fry-pan at him. Guns have a place in our society. And that place is NOT everywhere, at all times, by most anybody.
Words have meaning, and "Well Regulated" means what it says.


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No, you cannot.
Think through what you just posted.
An armed angry jackass is NOT the agency by which redress of poor decisions by drain commissioners, Township Clerks, or Presidents is permitted by our Constitution, let alone a single Amendment to that Constitution.

To allow every pissed off jackass to threaten with a gun the County Recorder because there was a sloppy deed recording is utter nonsense. I know you know that.

To suggest all governance officials are subject to armed threat because some jackass thinks they are "un-Constitutional" is silly, foolish, ignorant, and dangerous.


No disrespect intended.
And you didn't research the Battle of Athens.
And as I stated look up state constitutions. Many of which provide the same right and back affirm the 2A in purpose and intent. Below link is a summary of states. Our right isn't just in the 2A, but each state has at one time, supported our right.


And the following quotes (Thi is probably TLDR) but you get the point:
A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Stephens Smith, son-in-law of John Adams, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
- Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789
 
It started with Reagan. His policies made workers poorer and CEOs richer.

Great example. Clinton raided 400 illegal employers every year. Bush 4.

Republican policies from Reagan to bush 2 are ******* you now.

We don’t give the rich tax breaks. Trump doubled the number of companies who now pay no federal taxes.

The Republican Supreme Court justices decisions make the rich richer.

I could go on and on. Now you explain how or what democrat policies make the rich richer
Done it over and over and explained to you in detail, the two greatest transitions from the poor to wealthy happened under Obama and Biden, also there are companies that haven’t paid taxes since Biden has been in office but that seems to be on the down low with the left.
 
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