Trump/Russia, once again

[Synthaholic]

It's true.

 

[Synthaholic]

Vlad won't let him.

 

[Synthaholic]

Tulsi is trying to distract with fake reports.

G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia​

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.

G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia (Published 2020)

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.

www.nytimes.com

 

[multivita-man]

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They already have sanctions, which he has continued to impose, so not sure what more tariffs are going to do at this point. Secondary tariffs, if imposed, would only hasten the global run from the US dollar-dominated economic system. The dollar's under enough pressure as it is with a two-party system that thinks we can continue to rack up sovereign debt ad infinitum without other countries and investors noticing.

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Synthaholic]

They already have sanctions, which he has continued to impose

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/us/politics/trump-russia-sanctions.html

Lack of New U.S. Sanctions Allows Restricted Goods and Funds Into Russia

And:


A Mixed Bag on Enforcement:

Task Force KleptoCapture, one of the Biden era enforcement initiatives, has been disbanded. This was announced in a memo issued by US Attorney General Pam Bondi on February 5. This was a task force within the US Department of Justice focused on enforcing the sanctions against Russian oligarchs. This was the task force behind many of the high-profile asset seizures that were widely reported in the press, such as luxury yachts.

Still, criminal enforcement activity has continued. There has been movement in several cases involving potential violations of export controls prohibited exports of aircraft parts to Russia, including this indictment on February 13 and this sentencing on February 21.

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[multivita-man]

Russia is going to win this war. They were never going to lose it because they want Ukraine more than we do. They're willing to sustain higher losses, and they have a higher escalation threshold than we do. Europe might be different in this regard, but they don't have the money or resources to outlast Russia with a Chinese/Iranian/North Korean backstop.

 

[MarathonMike]

They probably will since the European Countries aren't doing jack shit, at least compared to what the US has done.

 

[Synthaholic]

Russia is going to win this war. They were never going to lose it because they want Ukraine more than we do. They're willing to sustain higher losses, and they have a higher escalation threshold than we do. Europe might be different in this regard, but they don't have the money or resources to outlast Russia with a Chinese/Iranian/North Korean backstop.

If they win it will be because of Putin's puppet in the White House.

 

[multivita-man]

If they win it will be because of Putin's puppet in the White House.

Nah, Ukraine was losing even when Biden was in the White House.

I'm not a Putin apologist. He's a thug, a war criminal...all those things. But we were warned about expanding NATO and waving our dicks in Russia's face. We fucked around and found out.

 

[Synthaholic]

Nah, Ukraine was losing even when Biden was in the White House.

I'm not a Putin apologist. He's a thug, a war criminal...all those things. But we were warned about expanding NATO and waving our dicks in Russia's face. We fucked around and found out.

You're that credulous? You believe Putin's weak sauce excuse for invasion? Don't be a sucker.

 

[multivita-man]

You're that credulous? You believe Putin's weak sauce excuse for invasion? Don't be a sucker.

It's not Putin's 'excuse'; this is Russian orthodox foreign policy/security thinking.

 

[MarathonMike]

Nah, Ukraine was losing even when Biden was in the White House.

I'm not a Putin apologist. He's a thug, a war criminal...all those things. But we were warned about expanding NATO and waving our dicks in Russia's face. We fucked around and found out.

That's not why Putin attacked Ukraine. When Biden turned the Afghanistan withdrawl into the worst military clusterfuck in American history Putin saw his opportunity. Within 2 weeks of that disaster he began massing his forces toward Ukraine.

 

[PeanutGallery]

That's not why Putin attacked Ukraine. When Biden turned the Afghanistan withdrawl into the worst military clusterfuck in American history Putin saw his opportunity. Within 2 weeks of that disaster he began massing his forces toward Ukraine.

Actually, both of y'all have a legit point. I can see why a Russian leader would have a serious reaction to the prospect of having the continuation of NATO pushing right up to their border like that. Enough that he wrote to NATO before the invasion saying that if NATO was trying to give Ukraine membership, it was FAFO. Also, I can see looking at Biden's withdrawal that Putin would think that Biden wouldn't be up to the task if Russia invaded Ukraine.

 

[Synthaholic]

It's not Putin's 'excuse'; this is Russian orthodox foreign policy/security thinking.

Putin knows that NATO is not going to attack him. And if he takes over Ukraine NATO will once again be on his doorstep, in Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Hungary.

 

[multivita-man]

Putin knows that NATO is not going to attack him.

A fear of an 'attack' was never the point. Russia wants to push America's ever-growing influence back.

And if he takes over Ukraine NATO will once again be on his doorstep, in Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Hungary.

He'll install a puppet government, which is what he had under Yanukovych, but it will be more overtly pro-Russia this time. I doubt Russia wants to expend the resources it would require to physically occupy all of Ukraine, but this war will be a lesson to Ukraine and to the US (and the West) that the expansion of American hegemony ends in Ukraine.

 

[multivita-man]

That's not why Putin attacked Ukraine.

Russia has had territorial and administrative control of Crimea in 2014 and had de facto control of the Donbas for about as long. This was in response to pro-Western factions in Ukraine (with the encouragement of the US) overthrowing the former administration.

When Biden turned the Afghanistan withdrawl into the worst military clusterfuck in American history Putin saw his opportunity. Within 2 weeks of that disaster he began massing his forces toward Ukraine.

No, in fact the buildup of troops started earlier than our bungled withdrawal from Afghanistan. Putin likely decided to invade Afghanistan after Biden announced a joint security agreement with Afghanistan in September 2021.

 

[Synthaholic]

When Biden turned the Afghanistan withdrawl into the worst military clusterfuck in American history

MAGA retards are special.

Look up the Beirut barracks bombing. Reagan was warned it was going to happen and did nothing.

 

[multivita-man]

MAGA retards are special.

Look up the Beirut barracks bombing. Reagan was warned it was going to happen and did nothing.

Was the withdrawal cringe to watch? Of course, but the real mistake was trying to turn Afghanistan into something it was never going to be: a nation-state in America's image. All administrations share some blame to varying degrees.

But some presidents deserve more blame than others. It was MAGA Jesus who went behind Afghanistan's US-backed government and negotiated with the Taliban to bail out, a situation that Biden inherited. Joe made his own blunders, but what all his critics forget is that he ultimately did the one thing that no other president did: he finally ripped the bandage off and ended the war that the vast majority of Americans wanted to end.