Trump pulls back from ban he once supported on flavored e-cigarettes

[martybegan]

E-cigs have been around for years without the recent health problems. IMHO the problem lies with black market fluids/oils now often sold to young people. Banning flavored e-cigs will do nothing but exasperate the problem.

What it shows is that the anti-smoking people are actually anti-nicotine people, because people went out and invented an improved method of nicotine delivery that removed all the combustion products from the process, and they still rail against it.

If it is killing people, it needs to be railed against

So ban alcohol again?

That worked so well last time.

 

[martybegan]

E-cigs have been around for years without the recent health problems. IMHO the problem lies with black market fluids/oils now often sold to young people. Banning flavored e-cigs will do nothing but exasperate the problem.

What it shows is that the anti-smoking people are actually anti-nicotine people, because people went out and invented an improved method of nicotine delivery that removed all the combustion products from the process, and they still rail against it.

If it is killing people, it needs to be railed against

Yep. I hope vehicles are next.

And staircases, and surgery, and twinkies.

 

[rightwinger]

E-cigs have been around for years without the recent health problems. IMHO the problem lies with black market fluids/oils now often sold to young people. Banning flavored e-cigs will do nothing but exasperate the problem.

What it shows is that the anti-smoking people are actually anti-nicotine people, because people went out and invented an improved method of nicotine delivery that removed all the combustion products from the process, and they still rail against it.

If it is killing people, it needs to be railed against

Yep. I hope vehicles are next.

We have passed endless legislation to make vehicles and driving safer.
Let’s make e cigs safe first

 

[TNHarley]

E-cigs have been around for years without the recent health problems. IMHO the problem lies with black market fluids/oils now often sold to young people. Banning flavored e-cigs will do nothing but exasperate the problem.

What it shows is that the anti-smoking people are actually anti-nicotine people, because people went out and invented an improved method of nicotine delivery that removed all the combustion products from the process, and they still rail against it.

If it is killing people, it needs to be railed against

Yep. I hope vehicles are next.

We have passed endless legislation to make vehicles and driving safer.
Let’s make e cigs safe first

Not enough! Cars kill wayyyyyy too many people!
Let's ban children too. They keep killing children.
And trannies! They keep killing themselves!
And swimming pools. OMG the swimming pools.

 

[depotoo]

Confusion surrounds the vaping crisis: Here's what we know and don't


Most vaping deaths linked to THC devices, but experts still ...
Confusion surrounds the vaping crisis: Here's what we know and don't
Sep 19, 2019With seven confirmed deaths and 380 cases of a mysterious lung disease now linked to vaping, rumors are swirling about the dangers of e-cigarettes. ... substance, or chemical in the THC vape carts

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

On again..off again--same old story--Trump's word means nothing--he refuses to sign regulation banning flavored e-cigs----in the fear that it might cost him a vote or two:


Trump backs off flavored vape ban he once touted


"Everything seemed ready to go: President Trump’s ban on most flavored e-cigarettes had been cleared by federal regulators. Officials were poised to announce they would order candy, fruit and mint flavors off the market within 30 days — a step the president had promised almost two months earlier to quell a youth vaping epidemic that had ensnared 5 million teenagers.
One last thing was needed: Trump’s sign-off. But on Nov. 4, the night before a planned morning news conference, the president balked. Briefed on a flight to a Lexington, Ky., campaign rally, he refused to sign the one-page “decision memo,” saying he didn’t want to move forward with a ban he had once backed, primarily at his wife’s and daughter’s urging, because he feared it would lead to job losses, said a Trump adviser who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reveal internal deliberations.

As he had done so many times before, Trump reversed course — this time on a plan to address a major public health problem because of worries that apoplectic vape shop owners and their customers might hurt his reelection prospects, said White House and campaign officials. He also believed job losses tied to the ban would cost him as he sought to trumpet economic growth. It was the latest example of the chaotic way policy is made — and sometimes unmade — in a White House where the ultimate decider often switches gears after making a controversial vow, whether on combating gun violence, pulling troops from Syria or promising to deliver an Obamacare replacement plan.

Officials said the blowback to Trump’s vow to ban most flavored e-cigarettes had rattled him. In an aggressive social media campaign — #IVapeIVote — advocates claimed the ban would shut down thousands of shops, eliminating jobs and sending vapers back to cigarettes. The president saw protesters at events and read critical articles. His campaign manager, Brad Parscale, privately warned the ban could hurt him in battleground states, said a person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. Trump was now upset with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who had taken the lead in rolling out the plan, said three officials familiar with the discussions.
“He didn’t know much about the issue and was just doing it for Melania and Ivanka,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share the discussions."

Your dirty skinny negro marxist messiah is a smoker and no not just his husband's dick, but actual cigarettes (fags in England.)

Who the fuck are you even talking about/or to? What exactly does your incomprehensible homoerotic rant have to do with the OP?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It's an indication of how wise Trump is. When the evidence came in the e-cigs were harmless and the danger came from bootleg juice he could reverse his opinion without any problem.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

E-cigs have been around for years without the recent health problems. IMHO the problem lies with black market fluids/oils now often sold to young people. Banning flavored e-cigs will do nothing but exasperate the problem.

What it shows is that the anti-smoking people are actually anti-nicotine people, because people went out and invented an improved method of nicotine delivery that removed all the combustion products from the process, and they still rail against it.

If it is killing people, it needs to be railed against

So ban alcohol again?

That worked so well last time.

If bootleg alcohol is peddled on the street containing rubbing alcohol all alcohol must be banned.

 

[MindWars]

because stupid asses

1st IT WAS NOT VAPING JUICE THAT WAS TAINTED NO FLAVORED JUICES WERE TAINTED

THEY WERE BLACK MARKET THC JUICE PENS THE FKN MSM AS USUAL ENCOMPASSES ALL JUICES SO YOU THE DUMB ASES WOUDL SUPPORT TAKING IT ALL AWAY !!

PAY ATTENTION GAWD DAM MSM LIES TO YOU FKRS CONSTANTLY AND YOU BITE IT EVERY TIME!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Confusion surrounds the vaping crisis: Here's what we know and don't


Most vaping deaths linked to THC devices, but experts still ...
Confusion surrounds the vaping crisis: Here's what we know and don't
Sep 19, 2019With seven confirmed deaths and 380 cases of a mysterious lung disease now linked to vaping, rumors are swirling about the dangers of e-cigarettes. ... substance, or chemical in the THC vape carts

Opinion: I'm an American doctor. Here's the truth about Juul, vaping and legalizing marijuana

 

[Polishprince]

On again..off again--same old story--Trump's word means nothing--he refuses to sign regulation banning flavored e-cigs----in the fear that it might cost him a vote or two:


Trump backs off flavored vape ban he once touted


"Everything seemed ready to go: President Trump’s ban on most flavored e-cigarettes had been cleared by federal regulators. Officials were poised to announce they would order candy, fruit and mint flavors off the market within 30 days — a step the president had promised almost two months earlier to quell a youth vaping epidemic that had ensnared 5 million teenagers.
One last thing was needed: Trump’s sign-off. But on Nov. 4, the night before a planned morning news conference, the president balked. Briefed on a flight to a Lexington, Ky., campaign rally, he refused to sign the one-page “decision memo,” saying he didn’t want to move forward with a ban he had once backed, primarily at his wife’s and daughter’s urging, because he feared it would lead to job losses, said a Trump adviser who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reveal internal deliberations.

As he had done so many times before, Trump reversed course — this time on a plan to address a major public health problem because of worries that apoplectic vape shop owners and their customers might hurt his reelection prospects, said White House and campaign officials. He also believed job losses tied to the ban would cost him as he sought to trumpet economic growth. It was the latest example of the chaotic way policy is made — and sometimes unmade — in a White House where the ultimate decider often switches gears after making a controversial vow, whether on combating gun violence, pulling troops from Syria or promising to deliver an Obamacare replacement plan.

Officials said the blowback to Trump’s vow to ban most flavored e-cigarettes had rattled him. In an aggressive social media campaign — #IVapeIVote — advocates claimed the ban would shut down thousands of shops, eliminating jobs and sending vapers back to cigarettes. The president saw protesters at events and read critical articles. His campaign manager, Brad Parscale, privately warned the ban could hurt him in battleground states, said a person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. Trump was now upset with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who had taken the lead in rolling out the plan, said three officials familiar with the discussions.
“He didn’t know much about the issue and was just doing it for Melania and Ivanka,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share the discussions."

President Trump is willing to reconsider issues when new information is given to him.

As far as vaping, its a new issue. I don't think the President ever gave a thought about it until lately

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

On again..off again--same old story--Trump's word means nothing--he refuses to sign regulation banning flavored e-cigs----in the fear that it might cost him a vote or two:


Trump backs off flavored vape ban he once touted


"Everything seemed ready to go: President Trump’s ban on most flavored e-cigarettes had been cleared by federal regulators. Officials were poised to announce they would order candy, fruit and mint flavors off the market within 30 days — a step the president had promised almost two months earlier to quell a youth vaping epidemic that had ensnared 5 million teenagers.
One last thing was needed: Trump’s sign-off. But on Nov. 4, the night before a planned morning news conference, the president balked. Briefed on a flight to a Lexington, Ky., campaign rally, he refused to sign the one-page “decision memo,” saying he didn’t want to move forward with a ban he had once backed, primarily at his wife’s and daughter’s urging, because he feared it would lead to job losses, said a Trump adviser who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reveal internal deliberations.

As he had done so many times before, Trump reversed course — this time on a plan to address a major public health problem because of worries that apoplectic vape shop owners and their customers might hurt his reelection prospects, said White House and campaign officials. He also believed job losses tied to the ban would cost him as he sought to trumpet economic growth. It was the latest example of the chaotic way policy is made — and sometimes unmade — in a White House where the ultimate decider often switches gears after making a controversial vow, whether on combating gun violence, pulling troops from Syria or promising to deliver an Obamacare replacement plan.

Officials said the blowback to Trump’s vow to ban most flavored e-cigarettes had rattled him. In an aggressive social media campaign — #IVapeIVote — advocates claimed the ban would shut down thousands of shops, eliminating jobs and sending vapers back to cigarettes. The president saw protesters at events and read critical articles. His campaign manager, Brad Parscale, privately warned the ban could hurt him in battleground states, said a person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. Trump was now upset with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who had taken the lead in rolling out the plan, said three officials familiar with the discussions.
“He didn’t know much about the issue and was just doing it for Melania and Ivanka,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share the discussions."

President Trump is willing to reconsider issues when new information is given to him.

As far as vaping, its a new issue. I don't think the President ever gave a thought about it until lately

I agree...when the new info came in that it might cost him votes..he reconsidered in a hurry!

I also agree he never gave it a thought..until his wife and daughter bugged him about it. He ordered a major shift in US policy...just to get them out of his hair..and then called it all off when it got real..LOL!

 

[Zorro!]

Good, it was nothing more than nanny state bullshit from the get go.

GOOD, BECAUSE THAT CROWD IS MUCH SANER THAN THE FDA:

“We Vape, We Vote” Crowd Got Through to Donald Trump, Advisors Say.

The Washington establishment is portraying Trump’s refusal to approve the FDA’s vaping-flavor ban as a victory of politics over science, but the public-health bureaucrats and journalists are wrong. Trump is the one heeding science and protecting the public health, while the FDA and journalists are the ones fomenting a deadly moral panic.

 

[RealDave]

On again..off again--same old story--Trump's word means nothing--he refuses to sign regulation banning flavored e-cigs----in the fear that it might cost him a vote or two:


Trump backs off flavored vape ban he once touted


"Everything seemed ready to go: President Trump’s ban on most flavored e-cigarettes had been cleared by federal regulators. Officials were poised to announce they would order candy, fruit and mint flavors off the market within 30 days — a step the president had promised almost two months earlier to quell a youth vaping epidemic that had ensnared 5 million teenagers.
One last thing was needed: Trump’s sign-off. But on Nov. 4, the night before a planned morning news conference, the president balked. Briefed on a flight to a Lexington, Ky., campaign rally, he refused to sign the one-page “decision memo,” saying he didn’t want to move forward with a ban he had once backed, primarily at his wife’s and daughter’s urging, because he feared it would lead to job losses, said a Trump adviser who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reveal internal deliberations.

As he had done so many times before, Trump reversed course — this time on a plan to address a major public health problem because of worries that apoplectic vape shop owners and their customers might hurt his reelection prospects, said White House and campaign officials. He also believed job losses tied to the ban would cost him as he sought to trumpet economic growth. It was the latest example of the chaotic way policy is made — and sometimes unmade — in a White House where the ultimate decider often switches gears after making a controversial vow, whether on combating gun violence, pulling troops from Syria or promising to deliver an Obamacare replacement plan.

Officials said the blowback to Trump’s vow to ban most flavored e-cigarettes had rattled him. In an aggressive social media campaign — #IVapeIVote — advocates claimed the ban would shut down thousands of shops, eliminating jobs and sending vapers back to cigarettes. The president saw protesters at events and read critical articles. His campaign manager, Brad Parscale, privately warned the ban could hurt him in battleground states, said a person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. Trump was now upset with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who had taken the lead in rolling out the plan, said three officials familiar with the discussions.
“He didn’t know much about the issue and was just doing it for Melania and Ivanka,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share the discussions."

How much did that cost Juul?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Another condition of anonymity. What nonsense
The found the cause of vaping injury and it had nothing to do with Juul or any commercial e-cig maker or vendor. It makes sense to stop the nonsense bans.

 

[Polishprince]

Another condition of anonymity. What nonsense
The found the cause of vaping injury and it had nothing to do with Juul or any commercial e-cig maker or vendor. It makes sense to stop the nonsense bans.

I think Vaping looks sort of stupid, but just because something looks stupid doesn't mean it should be illegal. Otherwise, we also need to outlaw man-buns and skinny jeans for men- which some say cause sterility.

President Trump made the undoubtably correct decision here to reverse his previous ban.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I ended a 50 year cigarette habit. I went nicotine free ten years ago. I still vape.