Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[Slade3200]

I'm seeing all these politicians and analysts from the Right talking about the climate situation and I haven't hear one say it's a hoax. They all acknowledge what science has reported. Only wingnuts like you deny it.

Man made global warming is a hoax.........they say the climate changes...which it does.......science can't predict the local weather a few days out...and yet you want us to believe they can predict the climate 80 years from now....?

The prediction models are not very accurate but there is concensus from the majority from the left and right that mans actions do have an effect. The severity of that effect is still being studied. I'd compare it to the cigarette/cancer situation

"Consensus" is not science. It's bullshit politics. The minute you start blabbering about "consensus" you unmask yourself as a con artist.

It's simply means many many more people agree with that opinion than do yours

And many people allowed the Germans to murder 6 million Jews.........the same types pushing this stupidity....and even more still think communism, which is responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent men, women and children, just hasn't been given the right chance.......

So please.....the left wing nutters in Europe and around the world have nothing to teach us....

Communism didn't kill anybody... a narcesistic, charismatic nationalist douchebag did

 

[TNHarley]

How will it slow "global warming?" I guess you mean man made c02 going in the atmosphere? Since we contribute less than 5% or whatever, how is this distribution plan going to amount to a hill of beans?
People are more worried about "climate change" because that is real and their is actual PROOF of its existence. But you cant stop it. Its natural earth evolution. Like how a gash scabs over on the human body. With climate change, all you can do is prepare.
If we are so worried about our planet, why don't we focus on things we CAN change? Things that ACTUALLY effect people?
"global warming" isn't science. Its partisan talking points.
Here is actual SCIENCE. He even brings up the holes in it that people like to fill with "human made" like people used a god back when they didn't understand things. Like thunder.
How Much of Atmospheric CO2 Increase is Natural? « Roy Spencer, PhD

That's better.
I heard we contribute 18%. Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere. This is causing climate change. No reason why we can't pick up litter and clean up the oceans at the same time we reduce our impact on the environment.

global warming is a theory that is based on models. Pseudo science, if you will.
ALL co2 effects the planet. Where are you getting this crap?
How do you think the climate has been changing for 4 billion years+?

I'm getting the info from the same places that every country in the world got it from when agreeing to the Paris Accords, and the same places that 97% of scientists are getting it from.

And Germany is leading the way.

"Germany's Energy Poverty
How Electricity Became a Luxury Good
Germany's agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor...."

High Costs and Errors of German Transition to Renewable Energy - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Really informative article, DOTR. I hope when the energy transfer in this country actually begins in earnest that we will take advantage of the learning experiences other countries have had. Even in the article, it mentions Sweden as having approached it in a less fractured and expensive way:
The experts propose changing the system to resemble a model long successful in Sweden. If implemented, it would eliminate the more than 4,000 different subsidies currently in place. Instead of bureaucrats setting green energy prices, they would be allowed to develop indepedently on a separate market. The report's authors believe the Swedish model would lead to faster and cheaper implementation of renewable energy, and that the system would also become what it is not today: socially just.

There's nothing fun or painless about switching from fossil fuels to wind and solar (and hydroelectric---why not?). It has burrowed into our infrastructure and economy like an invasive tumor. Or my poppies that keep miraculously reappearing after I have dug to China to remove the roots. I get that. People will lose jobs and then will get re-hired in the clean tech industries. It's disruptive, painful, probably expensive, at least for awhile, just like cancer. But it has to be done. I guess ignoring that for another four years isn't the end of the world, but we've got to face it someday.

The US is not into the damn building process anymore.. It messes with migration habbits of the gold fish swimming up stream



and hydroelectric---why not

Fish ladders. We've got 'em and we use 'em.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only. That's the craziest thing I ever heard. And that is even ignoring that global warming isn't science.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only.
Why in hell would I say that? That's not true. Find a decent argument or keep quiet.

You said this
Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere.

 

[Ame®icano]

The world(all 195 nations) should Tariff the shit out of economy for this.

America is a enemy of the world.

... it's your duty to destroy it, right?

 

[Seawytch]

**** Cheetolini, the rest of the world will progress without his orangeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/california-today-paris-accord-reaction.html

“There are more #cleanenergy jobs in California than there are coal mining jobs in entire nation. And it will stay that way.”

— Kevin de León, Democratic leader of the State Senate, on Twitter

**** Cheetolini, the rest of the world will progress without his orangeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/california-today-paris-accord-reaction.html

“There are more #cleanenergy jobs in California than there are coal mining jobs in entire nation. And it will stay that way.”

— Kevin de León, Democratic leader of the State Senate, on Twitter

Not if we stop subsidies them they are not

.

Stop "subsidizing" who?

California is a donor state.

A donor state? Your ass it is.. its a donate too state as welfare and social programs are 10x the average...

Yes, you're an ass and CA is a donor state.

Does California give more than it gets from D.C.?

The LAO also cites figures from a March 2016 report by the Pew Charitable Trusts. It found the federal government spent nearly $356 billion in California in fiscal year 2014, for salaries and wages, grants, contracts, retirement benefits and other benefits. That same year, California paid about $369 billion in total federal tax -- or about $13 billion more than it received -- according to the Internal Revenue Service Data Book, 2014.

So, please, by all means, "cut off" CA and save us $13 billion.

 

[Wyatt earp]

That's better.
I heard we contribute 18%. Global warming is caused by additional (not natural) C02 in the atmosphere. This is causing climate change. No reason why we can't pick up litter and clean up the oceans at the same time we reduce our impact on the environment.

global warming is a theory that is based on models. Pseudo science, if you will.
ALL co2 effects the planet. Where are you getting this crap?
How do you think the climate has been changing for 4 billion years+?

I'm getting the info from the same places that every country in the world got it from when agreeing to the Paris Accords, and the same places that 97% of scientists are getting it from.

Really informative article, DOTR. I hope when the energy transfer in this country actually begins in earnest that we will take advantage of the learning experiences other countries have had. Even in the article, it mentions Sweden as having approached it in a less fractured and expensive way:
The experts propose changing the system to resemble a model long successful in Sweden. If implemented, it would eliminate the more than 4,000 different subsidies currently in place. Instead of bureaucrats setting green energy prices, they would be allowed to develop indepedently on a separate market. The report's authors believe the Swedish model would lead to faster and cheaper implementation of renewable energy, and that the system would also become what it is not today: socially just.

There's nothing fun or painless about switching from fossil fuels to wind and solar (and hydroelectric---why not?). It has burrowed into our infrastructure and economy like an invasive tumor. Or my poppies that keep miraculously reappearing after I have dug to China to remove the roots. I get that. People will lose jobs and then will get re-hired in the clean tech industries. It's disruptive, painful, probably expensive, at least for awhile, just like cancer. But it has to be done. I guess ignoring that for another four years isn't the end of the world, but we've got to face it someday.

The US is not into the damn building process anymore.. It messes with migration habbits of the gold fish swimming up stream



and hydroelectric---why not

Fish ladders. We've got 'em and we use 'em.

you said global warming is caused by human c02 only. That's the craziest thing I ever heard. And that is even ignoring that global warming isn't science.

Fish ladders ? Sounds to me she is confused now ...one tree hugger against another...


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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Pool-and-weir fish ladder at Bonneville Dam on the Columbia River
A fish ladder, also known as a fishway, fish pass or fish steps, is a structure on or around artificial and natural barriers (such as dams, locks and waterfalls) to facilitate diadromous fishes' natural migration.[1] Most fishways enable fish to pass around the barriers by swimming and leaping up a series of relatively low steps (hence the term ladder) into the waters on the other side.

Allows dams etc. while letting the fish get around them.

Again your sitting around a city and want to post what the rest of the country is doing?

Nah you don't have a clue what the fight is about from your fellow trer huggers..there is no peace..

 

[Doc1]

**** Cheetolini, the rest of the world will progress without his orangeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/california-today-paris-accord-reaction.html

“There are more #cleanenergy jobs in California than there are coal mining jobs in entire nation. And it will stay that way.”

— Kevin de León, Democratic leader of the State Senate, on Twitter

**** Cheetolini, the rest of the world will progress without his orangeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/california-today-paris-accord-reaction.html

“There are more #cleanenergy jobs in California than there are coal mining jobs in entire nation. And it will stay that way.”

— Kevin de León, Democratic leader of the State Senate, on Twitter

Not if we stop subsidies them they are not

.

Stop "subsidizing" who?

California is a donor state.

A donor state? Your ass it is.. its a donate too state as welfare and social programs are 10x the average...

Yes, you're an ass and CA is a donor state.

Does California give more than it gets from D.C.?

The LAO also cites figures from a March 2016 report by the Pew Charitable Trusts. It found the federal government spent nearly $356 billion in California in fiscal year 2014, for salaries and wages, grants, contracts, retirement benefits and other benefits. That same year, California paid about $369 billion in total federal tax -- or about $13 billion more than it received -- according to the Internal Revenue Service Data Book, 2014.

So, please, by all means, "cut off" CA and save us $13 billion.

So we paid our taxes, big whoop. Between the Train and Moonbeam's Healthcare plan we will sink like a stone.

 

[Wyatt earp]

**** Cheetolini, the rest of the world will progress without his orangeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/california-today-paris-accord-reaction.html

“There are more #cleanenergy jobs in California than there are coal mining jobs in entire nation. And it will stay that way.”

— Kevin de León, Democratic leader of the State Senate, on Twitter

**** Cheetolini, the rest of the world will progress without his orangeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/california-today-paris-accord-reaction.html

“There are more #cleanenergy jobs in California than there are coal mining jobs in entire nation. And it will stay that way.”

— Kevin de León, Democratic leader of the State Senate, on Twitter

Not if we stop subsidies them they are not

.

Stop "subsidizing" who?

California is a donor state.

A donor state? Your ass it is.. its a donate too state as welfare and social programs are 10x the average...

Yes, you're an ass and CA is a donor state.

Does California give more than it gets from D.C.?

The LAO also cites figures from a March 2016 report by the Pew Charitable Trusts. It found the federal government spent nearly $356 billion in California in fiscal year 2014, for salaries and wages, grants, contracts, retirement benefits and other benefits. That same year, California paid about $369 billion in total federal tax -- or about $13 billion more than it received -- according to the Internal Revenue Service Data Book, 2014.

So, please, by all means, "cut off" CA and save us $13 billion.

Then let California leave. I will personally pack your bags to join Mexico... Where you belong.


.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Man made global warming is a hoax.........they say the climate changes...which it does.......science can't predict the local weather a few days out...and yet you want us to believe they can predict the climate 80 years from now....?

The prediction models are not very accurate but there is concensus from the majority from the left and right that mans actions do have an effect. The severity of that effect is still being studied. I'd compare it to the cigarette/cancer situation

"Consensus" is not science. It's bullshit politics. The minute you start blabbering about "consensus" you unmask yourself as a con artist.

It's simply means many many more people agree with that opinion than do yours

And many people allowed the Germans to murder 6 million Jews.........the same types pushing this stupidity....and even more still think communism, which is responsible for the deaths of 100 million innocent men, women and children, just hasn't been given the right chance.......

So please.....the left wing nutters in Europe and around the world have nothing to teach us....

Communism didn't kill anybody... a narcesistic, charismatic nationalist douchebag did

What?


What?


What?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Seems that way but they are anonymous sources
Trump pulling U.S. out of Paris climate deal: Axios report

WASHINGTON U.S. President Donald Trump has decided to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, Axios news outlet reported on Wednesday, citing two unidentified sources with direct knowledge of the decision.

Trump who has previously called global warming a hoax, refused to endorse the landmark climate change accord at a summit of the G7 group of wealthy nations on Saturday, saying he needed more time to decide. He then tweeted that he would make an announcement this week.

Fox News also cited an unidentified source confirming the pullout.
The decision to withdraw from the climate accord was influenced by a letter from 22 Republican U.S. senators, including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, calling for an exit, Axios reported.

Good!
Shit wasn't even voted on. Remember Earnests words in 2015?
I think it’s hard to take seriously from some Members of Congress who deny the fact that climate change exists, that they should have some opportunity to render judgment about a climate change agreement
One of the biggest loads of partisan bullshit I have ever heard. He should have been shunned for that
Oh well

The US can only exhibit climate leadership by following along with what everyone else is doing.

 

[Weatherman2020]

 

[Ame®icano]

Interesting monologue, first two minutes of video is all I watched. From Fox News. Explains with direct wording why this accord is a joke, and doesn't even achieve what it's intending to achieve:

Gutfeld: Why the Paris accord is a terrible idea

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord.

Awesome!
They can harm their economies to reduce CO2 by 2 ppm by 2100.

They signed it before they find out what's in it.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

**** Cheetolini, the rest of the world will progress without his orangeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/california-today-paris-accord-reaction.html

“There are more #cleanenergy jobs in California than there are coal mining jobs in entire nation. And it will stay that way.”

— Kevin de León, Democratic leader of the State Senate, on Twitter

**** Cheetolini, the rest of the world will progress without his orangeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/california-today-paris-accord-reaction.html

“There are more #cleanenergy jobs in California than there are coal mining jobs in entire nation. And it will stay that way.”

— Kevin de León, Democratic leader of the State Senate, on Twitter

Not if we stop subsidies them they are not

.

Stop "subsidizing" who?

California is a donor state.

A donor state? Your ass it is.. its a donate too state as welfare and social programs are 10x the average...

Yes, you're an ass and CA is a donor state.

Does California give more than it gets from D.C.?

The LAO also cites figures from a March 2016 report by the Pew Charitable Trusts. It found the federal government spent nearly $356 billion in California in fiscal year 2014, for salaries and wages, grants, contracts, retirement benefits and other benefits. That same year, California paid about $369 billion in total federal tax -- or about $13 billion more than it received -- according to the Internal Revenue Service Data Book, 2014.

So, please, by all means, "cut off" CA and save us $13 billion.

Then let California leave. I will personally pack your bags to join Mexico... Where you belong.


.

Just wait a 100 years, and supposedly Californication will be under water. At that point what difference would it make????

 

[Camp]

It's often hard to keep up with the lies of our serial liar President. Now he is attempting to bullshyt the whole world and possibly expects the whole world to accept his lying the way his USA supporters accept his lying. Which of his lies will regions of the globe focus on and how does it influence how the world views American leadership under the trump era?

well if he did so many, name one.

come on - lob out the lie and let's look it over and see if it is.

Read the two post. #7 and #8 that preceded your post #9. How much plainer could you ask for?

thank you - i did not get that far.

your post.
Trump said China would be allowed to build hundreds of coal-fired plants but that the USA would not be allowed. China has actually taken over 100 proposed coal-fired plants off the table. There is absolutely nothing in the agreement that that restricted or disallowed the building or production of coal-fired plants in the USA. So, the statement was misleading about China and an outright lie about the USA.
==========
could we open up those coal plants and *still* meet our obligations? or would doing so means we don't meet these obligations? so it is because we are kept by law from doing it, or by trying to stay within the agreement?

so - under this agreement we may be able to open coal plants as we wish, however, *we* are on tap then to meet targets well ahead of what china and india have to do. would this be true and if so, wouldn't this be why we *can't* build these plants?

and if china and india have already said we'll peak around 2030, that's 13 years they can do whatever they want w/o having to meet the targets we are in fact having to meet now - under this accord.

so while china *can* and hopefully *will* reduce their coal use, as of now there is no plan for them to do that which i have read about. granted, i'm just digging into all this but this is how i interpret what trump has said. and if so, then trump is correct.

china can build whatever they want for 13 years because they have no goals to meet for emissions reductions until 2030. we have goals to meet now, so opening up coal plants would keep us from meeting that, making us not able to open them up *and* meet our obligations set forth under this *agreement*

OF WHICH - no one has penalties so technically we could sign it, never give a dime to anyone, open up a thousand coal plants and continue on our merry way. so in all - stupid agreement without penalty or ways to make people follow it.

And here we have the typical excuse for a proven and indisputable trump lie. The words and the actual statement is alleged to be an innocent misstatement, but once the statement is analyzed, reinterpreted and adjusted, it is not a real lie because there are reasons and excuse for the lie.

Also, Obama told some lies when he was President, so trump can tell as many lies as he wants.

 

[Ame®icano]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval.

It's an Agreement, which means Trump can withdraw unilaterally.

If not ratified, it's invalid.

Just as Kyoto protocol wasn't ratified by US neither.

 

[JakeStarkey]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval.

It's an Agreement, which means Trump can withdraw unilaterally.

If not ratified, it's invalid. Just as Kyoto protocol wasn't ratified by US neither.

It does not have to be ratified by the Senate or you. It is an Agreement, not a Treaty.

 

[iceberg]

It's often hard to keep up with the lies of our serial liar President. Now he is attempting to bullshyt the whole world and possibly expects the whole world to accept his lying the way his USA supporters accept his lying. Which of his lies will regions of the globe focus on and how does it influence how the world views American leadership under the trump era?

well if he did so many, name one.

come on - lob out the lie and let's look it over and see if it is.

Read the two post. #7 and #8 that preceded your post #9. How much plainer could you ask for?

thank you - i did not get that far.

your post.
Trump said China would be allowed to build hundreds of coal-fired plants but that the USA would not be allowed. China has actually taken over 100 proposed coal-fired plants off the table. There is absolutely nothing in the agreement that that restricted or disallowed the building or production of coal-fired plants in the USA. So, the statement was misleading about China and an outright lie about the USA.
==========
could we open up those coal plants and *still* meet our obligations? or would doing so means we don't meet these obligations? so it is because we are kept by law from doing it, or by trying to stay within the agreement?

so - under this agreement we may be able to open coal plants as we wish, however, *we* are on tap then to meet targets well ahead of what china and india have to do. would this be true and if so, wouldn't this be why we *can't* build these plants?

and if china and india have already said we'll peak around 2030, that's 13 years they can do whatever they want w/o having to meet the targets we are in fact having to meet now - under this accord.

so while china *can* and hopefully *will* reduce their coal use, as of now there is no plan for them to do that which i have read about. granted, i'm just digging into all this but this is how i interpret what trump has said. and if so, then trump is correct.

china can build whatever they want for 13 years because they have no goals to meet for emissions reductions until 2030. we have goals to meet now, so opening up coal plants would keep us from meeting that, making us not able to open them up *and* meet our obligations set forth under this *agreement*

OF WHICH - no one has penalties so technically we could sign it, never give a dime to anyone, open up a thousand coal plants and continue on our merry way. so in all - stupid agreement without penalty or ways to make people follow it.

And here we have the typical excuse for a proven and indisputable trump lie. The words and the actual statement is alleged to be an innocent misstatement, but once the statement is analyzed, reinterpreted and adjusted, it is not a real lie because there are reasons and excuse for the lie.

Also, Obama told some lies when he was President, so trump can tell as many lies as he wants.

you're the fucktard doing the adjustment.

GOAL OF AGREEMENT:
Reduce Carbon Omissions.

According to AGREEMENT - who has to do it NOW?
USA

Who can do it in 13+ YEARS?
China

if we build coal plants NOW will we be able to meet these requirements only WE have on us?
No.

Ergo - we can't do it AND meet the goal.

Since china has NO ******* GOAL AT ALL FOR 13 YEARS, it doesn't matter what they do.

you seem to be the one only allowing what he said to have 1 possible scenario and that MUST make him a "liar" or some one is simply covering for him.

for some people its a damn good thing breathing is an automatic function.

 

[Avatar4321]

It's an Agreement not a Treaty. Senate does not have to vote. That's why Obama farted in the faces of the Alt Right when he did it. That why Trump farted in the face of decent America when he took America out of it.

Sorry but there is literally no authority to make agreements with foreign nations such as this.

Btw an accord or agreement is pretty much the definition of a treaty. They are synonymous

 

[iceberg]

And here we have the typical excuse for a proven and indisputable trump lie. The words and the actual statement is alleged to be an innocent misstatement, but once the statement is analyzed, reinterpreted and adjusted, it is not a real lie because there are reasons and excuse for the lie.

Also, Obama told some lies when he was President, so trump can tell as many lies as he wants.

also - you are now a liar.

you say "proven and indisputable trump lie"

if that were the case then why are you also now saying

"it's not a real live cause there are reasons for it..."

if there are reasons for it that can cause the cloud of pigpen confusion you choose to live under, then it can't be "indisputable" now can it? you may want to look up the words you choose to use cause they damn sure don't mean anything in the context of which you choose to use them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It's an Agreement not a Treaty. Senate does not have to vote. That's why Obama farted in the faces of the Alt Right when he did it. That why Trump farted in the face of decent America when he took America out of it.

Sorry but there is literally no authority to make agreements with foreign nations such as this.

Btw an accord or agreement is pretty much the definition of a treaty. They are synonymous

Sorry, but you are wrong. Tough, but there it is.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval.

It's an Agreement, which means Trump can withdraw unilaterally.

If not ratified, it's invalid. Just as Kyoto protocol wasn't ratified by US neither.

It does not have to be ratified by the Senate or you. It is an Agreement, not a Treaty.

Hence meaningless. We can back out at anytime.