Trump Phoenix Rally Was A Disaster!

[The Sage of Main Street]

Watching the President Trump rally in Phoenix Arizona yesterday one is bowled over about the extremely depraved character that the President displays. On the subject matter of the Charlottesville protests, President Trump tried to do a revisionist history of his behavior surrounding the incident. He left out the key part of his response on that Saturday that his statement condemning hatred, bigotry and violence sought to label such behavior on both sides of the protestors where anyone responsibly evaluating these protests would only call out the hate group protestors for their abhorrent hate message and their intention and efforts they made to promulgate violence during the events of that weekend. He tried to dismiss the fact that it took him two days to specifically denounce the hate groups and on the following day that he tried to equate the wrongfulness of these hate groups with any wrongdoing amongst the anti-hate groups. There was a congresswomen that appeared on one of the Sunday talk shows the day after the incident that was spot on about President Trump's wrongdoing here which is he didn't initially come out forcefully against these hate groups because he didn't want to risk losing some of his base which includes members of these groups and their allies. Another disconcerting aspects of President's Trumps remarks at the rally is he painted the anti-Trump protesters as this group that dons helmets, black masks and brings clubs to protests Mr. President where is your commitment to the truth the vast vast majority of these protestors are not looking for any physical confrontation at all they are merely interested in exercising their free speech rights that they are opposed to you because of your policies, actions and character!



President Donald Trump during this Phoenix rally demonstrated that he doesn't get it that the American people expect their President to be good and behave good President Trump needs to have a St. Paul like conversion experience and really get it that the job of the Presidency has this baseline performance requirement. President Trump falls below this baseline performance requirement when he whines about the media and continually throws around the label fake news, President Trump needs to get some character he is a Republican President the media is liberal so he is always going to get extra scrutiny the media will always be looking to criticize him, he freely ran for the job of President so he accepted this situation, cut out your war on the media.



President Trump's speech was alarming where it called for an end to the sixty vote requirement for ending Senate filibusters. Where the hell is his commitment to protect the country for the long-term. This filibuster rule protects governing majorities in America from pushing through laws that are unfair to minority groups in America. President Trump should be remembering that one day the Democrats will regain power in America and if this filibuster rule is thrown away they will be able to ram through liberal agendas into law that are unfair to groups that Republican hold as dear and important.



President Trump in his speech demonstrated that he is clueless and a character mess on the subject of healthcare. His reference to Jonathan Gruber underscores President Trump's sad penchant for believing conspiracy theories. Jonathan Gruber is delusional and just plain wrong in regards to his involvement in passage of the ACA. All those Senators and House members that voted for the ACA did so because it embodied a liberal wish list for healthcare legislation it had nothing whatsoever to do with Mr. Gruber. President Trump's clamoring that America was one vote away from success on healthcare reveals he does not know what he is talking about on this subject. The Republican skinny repeal bill was exactly that a repeal with no replacement bill; moreover, it was a repeal type bill that a responsible person would conclude would have blocked the individual health insurance market in large portions of the country creating a catastrophic situation this is so because this bill repealed the individual mandate which would have triggered health insurance companies bailing on offering individual health insurance on the exchanges because these companies would not be able to reliably determine how many policies they would be able to sell so their risk of loss would be to great for them to participate.



President Trump you want to advocate for what is good for healthcare you want to offer help to the countless Americans that are carrying onerous burdens due to the ACA? Then call for an end to repeal and replace the Republicans have had seven years to produce a replacement bill that is better than the ACA and failed epically! Then call a spade a spade specifically recommend to the American people that they conclude the Democrat "leadership" does not support improving the ACA they want to transition America to a single payer system they don't care about the poor quality health care system such a transition will wrought. On the Friday morning of the failed vote and approximately a week after Majority Leader McConnell publicly announced to the Democrats that the Republicans are open to hearing their bill that cuts the cost of health insurance in return for commitment of Federal spending and Senator Schumer has been mute ever since, he has acted like a snake no follow through on his statements during the Senate Republicans efforts to pass a health-care bill. President Trump should then call for the American people to support improving the ACA by recognizing that the Federal government is too dysfunctional to fix the ACA from a health insurance cost cutting standpoint which is what is needed that the power needs to be given to the states. Congress is too political its members are too selfish and too cowardly they care too much about saving their jobs then doing them to make the mandate changes needed to fix America's health care system. Presidents leadership in this area really possibly could lead to major legislation passing in this area. Today in the Philadelphia Inquirer Delaware Senator Tom Carper wrote an article calling for healthcare reform legislation that does three things: insures the individual insurance mandate will be enforced, permanently mandates the Federal government pay for the Federal gov't social service program that provides copay help and deductible help to low income Americans in the individual insurance market and permanently mandates the Federal government fund a reinsurance program for the individual insurance market that helps insurance companies pay for enrollees with serious health problems. From observing Democrats across America talk over the last eight months there is probably an abundance of members of Congress that think the way Senator Carper does. The Republicans should say okay you Democrats we will give these three things you just give us one big thing empower the states to override and modify all the cost driver mandates in ACA that applies to health insurance. President Donald Trump you want to fight for all the American people on the health insurance issue than take up this baton and run with it! The Senator Lindsey Graham bill is an extremely stupid idea, giving all the federal monies to the states to spend as they will involves eliminating the federal subsidy for the individual insurance market program as well as other federal ACA social service programs which will bring widespread public opposition and criticism a completely futile effort!



One last thing President Trump in order to behave good a President Trump shouldn't say anything about removal of Confederate statues directly or indirectly treat it as a local and state issue it is a no win situation for him if he comments. Anti-removal Americans are not racist it is legitimate to view these Confederate figures who have statues as faithful sons of the South that the issue involved has nothing to do with slavery but love of the South and its culture which promotes, lifts up and holds dear honor, virtue, boldness, courage and positive attributes like that which these figures risked and in some cases gave their life supporting. If President Trump advocates this he will only be labeled a racist by many so he should say nothing!

Verbal diarrhea.

The medical term for that disability is hillarrhea pantsuitica.

 

[iceberg]

Watching the President Trump rally in Phoenix Arizona yesterday one is bowled over about the extremely depraved character that the President displays. On the subject matter of the Charlottesville protests, President Trump tried to do a revisionist history of his behavior surrounding the incident. He left out the key part of his response on that Saturday that his statement condemning hatred, bigotry and violence sought to label such behavior on both sides of the protestors where anyone responsibly evaluating these protests would only call out the hate group protestors for their abhorrent hate message and their intention and efforts they made to promulgate violence during the events of that weekend. He tried to dismiss the fact that it took him two days to specifically denounce the hate groups and on the following day that he tried to equate the wrongfulness of these hate groups with any wrongdoing amongst the anti-hate groups. There was a congresswomen that appeared on one of the Sunday talk shows the day after the incident that was spot on about President Trump's wrongdoing here which is he didn't initially come out forcefully against these hate groups because he didn't want to risk losing some of his base which includes members of these groups and their allies. Another disconcerting aspects of President's Trumps remarks at the rally is he painted the anti-Trump protesters as this group that dons helmets, black masks and brings clubs to protests Mr. President where is your commitment to the truth the vast vast majority of these protestors are not looking for any physical confrontation at all they are merely interested in exercising their free speech rights that they are opposed to you because of your policies, actions and character!



President Donald Trump during this Phoenix rally demonstrated that he doesn't get it that the American people expect their President to be good and behave good President Trump needs to have a St. Paul like conversion experience and really get it that the job of the Presidency has this baseline performance requirement. President Trump falls below this baseline performance requirement when he whines about the media and continually throws around the label fake news, President Trump needs to get some character he is a Republican President the media is liberal so he is always going to get extra scrutiny the media will always be looking to criticize him, he freely ran for the job of President so he accepted this situation, cut out your war on the media.



President Trump's speech was alarming where it called for an end to the sixty vote requirement for ending Senate filibusters. Where the hell is his commitment to protect the country for the long-term. This filibuster rule protects governing majorities in America from pushing through laws that are unfair to minority groups in America. President Trump should be remembering that one day the Democrats will regain power in America and if this filibuster rule is thrown away they will be able to ram through liberal agendas into law that are unfair to groups that Republican hold as dear and important.



President Trump in his speech demonstrated that he is clueless and a character mess on the subject of healthcare. His reference to Jonathan Gruber underscores President Trump's sad penchant for believing conspiracy theories. Jonathan Gruber is delusional and just plain wrong in regards to his involvement in passage of the ACA. All those Senators and House members that voted for the ACA did so because it embodied a liberal wish list for healthcare legislation it had nothing whatsoever to do with Mr. Gruber. President Trump's clamoring that America was one vote away from success on healthcare reveals he does not know what he is talking about on this subject. The Republican skinny repeal bill was exactly that a repeal with no replacement bill; moreover, it was a repeal type bill that a responsible person would conclude would have blocked the individual health insurance market in large portions of the country creating a catastrophic situation this is so because this bill repealed the individual mandate which would have triggered health insurance companies bailing on offering individual health insurance on the exchanges because these companies would not be able to reliably determine how many policies they would be able to sell so their risk of loss would be to great for them to participate.



President Trump you want to advocate for what is good for healthcare you want to offer help to the countless Americans that are carrying onerous burdens due to the ACA? Then call for an end to repeal and replace the Republicans have had seven years to produce a replacement bill that is better than the ACA and failed epically! Then call a spade a spade specifically recommend to the American people that they conclude the Democrat "leadership" does not support improving the ACA they want to transition America to a single payer system they don't care about the poor quality health care system such a transition will wrought. On the Friday morning of the failed vote and approximately a week after Majority Leader McConnell publicly announced to the Democrats that the Republicans are open to hearing their bill that cuts the cost of health insurance in return for commitment of Federal spending and Senator Schumer has been mute ever since, he has acted like a snake no follow through on his statements during the Senate Republicans efforts to pass a health-care bill. President Trump should then call for the American people to support improving the ACA by recognizing that the Federal government is too dysfunctional to fix the ACA from a health insurance cost cutting standpoint which is what is needed that the power needs to be given to the states. Congress is too political its members are too selfish and too cowardly they care too much about saving their jobs then doing them to make the mandate changes needed to fix America's health care system. Presidents leadership in this area really possibly could lead to major legislation passing in this area. Today in the Philadelphia Inquirer Delaware Senator Tom Carper wrote an article calling for healthcare reform legislation that does three things: insures the individual insurance mandate will be enforced, permanently mandates the Federal government pay for the Federal gov't social service program that provides copay help and deductible help to low income Americans in the individual insurance market and permanently mandates the Federal government fund a reinsurance program for the individual insurance market that helps insurance companies pay for enrollees with serious health problems. From observing Democrats across America talk over the last eight months there is probably an abundance of members of Congress that think the way Senator Carper does. The Republicans should say okay you Democrats we will give these three things you just give us one big thing empower the states to override and modify all the cost driver mandates in ACA that applies to health insurance. President Donald Trump you want to fight for all the American people on the health insurance issue than take up this baton and run with it! The Senator Lindsey Graham bill is an extremely stupid idea, giving all the federal monies to the states to spend as they will involves eliminating the federal subsidy for the individual insurance market program as well as other federal ACA social service programs which will bring widespread public opposition and criticism a completely futile effort!



One last thing President Trump in order to behave good a President Trump shouldn't say anything about removal of Confederate statues directly or indirectly treat it as a local and state issue it is a no win situation for him if he comments. Anti-removal Americans are not racist it is legitimate to view these Confederate figures who have statues as faithful sons of the South that the issue involved has nothing to do with slavery but love of the South and its culture which promotes, lifts up and holds dear honor, virtue, boldness, courage and positive attributes like that which these figures risked and in some cases gave their life supporting. If President Trump advocates this he will only be labeled a racist by many so he should say nothing!

Yo, Are You Dumb? Or Just Your Parents Call You Dumb? The Senate Filibusters Were You Faggot Boy Harry Reid, Who Is A Traitor Democrat, Who Did Away With The Filibuster Rule!!! Hey Dummy, Look Up Who Had A Permit To Protest? It Wasn`t Antifa? The Idiots Who Started The Fights!!! Damn You`re Dumb!!! About Him Denouncing The Hate On Both Sides? He Is Not Obama, He Waits For The Facts To Come In, And Determine What The Facrs Are Really About, Obama Would Comeout And Defend The Antifa, Only Because The Black Lives Matter Where Involved, Racist, The Obama Way, He Could Have Been My Son? Damn You`re Stupid!!!

Hey Stupid? Think Back If You Can? How Many Deals Did The Socialist Democrat Leaders Have To Make, Before They Could Pass Healthcare? Dumbass!!! About Insurance? Government Should Get Their Noses Out Of It, Period! Let The Open Market Handle Insurance, The Way It Has Always Been, If Your Dumbass Is Toooooooo Poor To Buy It? Then Go To The Emergency Room, They Won`t Deny You Service, Period!!! You Want To Know Why Insurance Is So High? Illegals, Who Invaded The Emergency Rooms Across America, It Used To Be Poor American Citizens Would Go To The Emergency Rooms, Now You Have Millions Of Illegals Costing Us Taxpayers Billions Of Dollars!!! Damn, You Are Just Plain Stupid!!! Tom Carper Is Just Another Socialist Democrat Puppet, Get Real Dummy!!! P.S.: Buy Your Own Insurance Loser!!!

Listen Up Dummy, And Your Comrades:
When You Depend On The Government For Anything? They Run Your Life For You! You Have No Say Over Your Independence, Liberty, And Your Way Of Life, If You Dummies Want To Live Like That? Move To Canada, Cuba, Venezuela, England, Switzerland, China, Russia, ETC.!!! Damn IDIOT!!!!

"GTP"
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I don't agree with your bitching about the filibuster rule. Harry Reid started it, and I disagreed with it then and I sure as hell disagree with extending it further. If you can't get 60% of our elected senators to agree to a bill, it shouldn't be passed because it doesn't represent the will of the people at all.
Giving one party the right to rule autonomously every time it has the majority is counterproductive in the long run. Whatever they accomplish will just be demolished the next time the other party gains the majority. We will move back and forth like a see saw rather than forward.

this is why i find it frustrating when the left pulls these games as if they won't come back to be used against them. the ONLY thing they do is validate this as a course of action.

much like obama should have been allowed to appoint a SCOTUS. i do believe he should have. but the democrats blocked bush i believe from doing it cause he was in his last year. then biden comes along and puts up an argument to say "no, not under these conditions" and as soon as it's their turn to do what the law should allow, it becomes politics and games.

Only you, Iceberg, would immediately respond with saying the Left is the one doing it, when we are very clearly talking about the President demanding that the Republican majority/McConnell change the rules to end the filibuster completely. This is not about the Democrats at this time.

only you would miss where i call out both sides.

if i said obama should have been allowed to pick the SCOTUS then i must not agree with the games that were being played by the right at that point. yes biden started it *in this instance* but it doesn't mean we should continue it - that's just as bad. we need to come together as a group and determine the rules of fair play here so people STOP doing this crap

get ready for this

ON
BOTH
SIDES

you seem to have gotten to the point where it doesn't matter what i say, you're going to see it in a non-flattering way. wish it would stop and the antagonism with it, but that's not my call.

 

[deanrd]

Trump tweeting out how successful the rally was.

Careful with that case. It contains the nuclear codes.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Unfortunately, that meme is better labeled POTUS right now. What did he do but whine and throw a tantie in Phoenix?

Well, Trump entertained and rallied the crowd. He spoke about a few decisions he has made and some of the directions he is taking parts of the government as well as saying embarrassing things about certain flakey and traitorous senators.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Only you, Iceberg, would immediately respond with saying the Left is the one doing it, when we are very clearly talking about the President demanding that the Republican majority/McConnell change the rules to end the filibuster completely. This is not about the Democrats at this time.

Back in the old day of horse drawn wagons and Senate comraderie, the filibuster made some sense.

But today with all the partisanship going on, no way.

Kill the filibuster so we can get some things passed in Congress.

If McConnel doesnt do it, the GOP will lose control of Congress because voters are sick to death of this lame 'I've fallen and cant get up' bullshit from the Congressional GOP.

It is a hilarious riot when GOP Congresscritters talk about Trumps low poll numbers under 40% when Congress is well under 20%.

 

[iceberg]

Only you, Iceberg, would immediately respond with saying the Left is the one doing it, when we are very clearly talking about the President demanding that the Republican majority/McConnell change the rules to end the filibuster completely. This is not about the Democrats at this time.

Back in the old day of horse drawn wagons and Senate comraderie, the filibuster made some sense.

But today with all the partisanship going on, no way.

Kill the filibuster so we can get some things passed in Congress.

If McConnel doesnt do it, the GOP will lose control of Congress because voters are sick to death of this lame 'I've fallen and cant get up' bullshit from the Congressional GOP.

It is a hilarious riot when GOP Congresscritters talk about Trumps low poll numbers under 40% when Congress is well under 20%.

i do agree the problem needs to be fixed, not simply moved around in a state of partisan politics. that needs to end but it isn't like to *ever* end. people want to "win" which usually means someone else loses.

but the ability to simply "stall" needs to go.

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[EverCurious]

I disagree @Iceburg there's this thing called compromise. We just need to get back to that and give up on the concept of winners & losers here.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I disagree @Iceburg there's this thing called compromise. We just need to get back to that and give up on the concept of winners & losers here.

But what are plausible compromises?

I would suggest the following:

1) plaques that put the statues in a modern light. Explain that the South was hobbled to an antiquated slavery economic system and the invested interests were loathe to part with their capital and so they manipulated the system to produce a catastrophic war instead.

2) That these leaders also led the reconciliation after the war to bring the USA together again.

3) put up alongside these Confederates some statues to Civil Rights leaders who repaired the social damage caused by that horrific war. MLK alongside R E Lee would be perfect iIMO.

4) Display quotations at the base of the statues that emphasize the reconciliatory role these men played.

 

[iceberg]

I disagree @Iceburg there's this thing called compromise. We just need to get back to that and give up on the concept of winners & losers here.

i think we agree more than disagree here. the best of both sides need to come into play in what we do vs. the best of one side trying to "out-cute" the best of the other.

 

[EverCurious]

I personally don't think anything needs be done with statues in particular - I think the left just flew off the handle and /they/ need to grow the fuck up and learn to be offended. The rest of the damn nation can do it, has done it, and will continue to do it. It's a lesson they need to learn if they plan on holding a job or being adults - a lesson they /should/ have learned at home frankly.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Watching the President Trump rally in Phoenix Arizona yesterday one is bowled over about the extremely depraved character that the President displays. On the subject matter of the Charlottesville protests, President Trump tried to do a revisionist history of his behavior surrounding the incident. He left out the key part of his response on that Saturday that his statement condemning hatred, bigotry and violence sought to label such behavior on both sides of the protestors where anyone responsibly evaluating these protests would only call out the hate group protestors for their abhorrent hate message and their intention and efforts they made to promulgate violence during the events of that weekend. He tried to dismiss the fact that it took him two days to specifically denounce the hate groups and on the following day that he tried to equate the wrongfulness of these hate groups with any wrongdoing amongst the anti-hate groups. There was a congresswomen that appeared on one of the Sunday talk shows the day after the incident that was spot on about President Trump's wrongdoing here which is he didn't initially come out forcefully against these hate groups because he didn't want to risk losing some of his base which includes members of these groups and their allies. Another disconcerting aspects of President's Trumps remarks at the rally is he painted the anti-Trump protesters as this group that dons helmets, black masks and brings clubs to protests Mr. President where is your commitment to the truth the vast vast majority of these protestors are not looking for any physical confrontation at all they are merely interested in exercising their free speech rights that they are opposed to you because of your policies, actions and character!



President Donald Trump during this Phoenix rally demonstrated that he doesn't get it that the American people expect their President to be good and behave good President Trump needs to have a St. Paul like conversion experience and really get it that the job of the Presidency has this baseline performance requirement. President Trump falls below this baseline performance requirement when he whines about the media and continually throws around the label fake news, President Trump needs to get some character he is a Republican President the media is liberal so he is always going to get extra scrutiny the media will always be looking to criticize him, he freely ran for the job of President so he accepted this situation, cut out your war on the media.



President Trump's speech was alarming where it called for an end to the sixty vote requirement for ending Senate filibusters. Where the hell is his commitment to protect the country for the long-term. This filibuster rule protects governing majorities in America from pushing through laws that are unfair to minority groups in America. President Trump should be remembering that one day the Democrats will regain power in America and if this filibuster rule is thrown away they will be able to ram through liberal agendas into law that are unfair to groups that Republican hold as dear and important.



President Trump in his speech demonstrated that he is clueless and a character mess on the subject of healthcare. His reference to Jonathan Gruber underscores President Trump's sad penchant for believing conspiracy theories. Jonathan Gruber is delusional and just plain wrong in regards to his involvement in passage of the ACA. All those Senators and House members that voted for the ACA did so because it embodied a liberal wish list for healthcare legislation it had nothing whatsoever to do with Mr. Gruber. President Trump's clamoring that America was one vote away from success on healthcare reveals he does not know what he is talking about on this subject. The Republican skinny repeal bill was exactly that a repeal with no replacement bill; moreover, it was a repeal type bill that a responsible person would conclude would have blocked the individual health insurance market in large portions of the country creating a catastrophic situation this is so because this bill repealed the individual mandate which would have triggered health insurance companies bailing on offering individual health insurance on the exchanges because these companies would not be able to reliably determine how many policies they would be able to sell so their risk of loss would be to great for them to participate.



President Trump you want to advocate for what is good for healthcare you want to offer help to the countless Americans that are carrying onerous burdens due to the ACA? Then call for an end to repeal and replace the Republicans have had seven years to produce a replacement bill that is better than the ACA and failed epically! Then call a spade a spade specifically recommend to the American people that they conclude the Democrat "leadership" does not support improving the ACA they want to transition America to a single payer system they don't care about the poor quality health care system such a transition will wrought. On the Friday morning of the failed vote and approximately a week after Majority Leader McConnell publicly announced to the Democrats that the Republicans are open to hearing their bill that cuts the cost of health insurance in return for commitment of Federal spending and Senator Schumer has been mute ever since, he has acted like a snake no follow through on his statements during the Senate Republicans efforts to pass a health-care bill. President Trump should then call for the American people to support improving the ACA by recognizing that the Federal government is too dysfunctional to fix the ACA from a health insurance cost cutting standpoint which is what is needed that the power needs to be given to the states. Congress is too political its members are too selfish and too cowardly they care too much about saving their jobs then doing them to make the mandate changes needed to fix America's health care system. Presidents leadership in this area really possibly could lead to major legislation passing in this area. Today in the Philadelphia Inquirer Delaware Senator Tom Carper wrote an article calling for healthcare reform legislation that does three things: insures the individual insurance mandate will be enforced, permanently mandates the Federal government pay for the Federal gov't social service program that provides copay help and deductible help to low income Americans in the individual insurance market and permanently mandates the Federal government fund a reinsurance program for the individual insurance market that helps insurance companies pay for enrollees with serious health problems. From observing Democrats across America talk over the last eight months there is probably an abundance of members of Congress that think the way Senator Carper does. The Republicans should say okay you Democrats we will give these three things you just give us one big thing empower the states to override and modify all the cost driver mandates in ACA that applies to health insurance. President Donald Trump you want to fight for all the American people on the health insurance issue than take up this baton and run with it! The Senator Lindsey Graham bill is an extremely stupid idea, giving all the federal monies to the states to spend as they will involves eliminating the federal subsidy for the individual insurance market program as well as other federal ACA social service programs which will bring widespread public opposition and criticism a completely futile effort!



One last thing President Trump in order to behave good a President Trump shouldn't say anything about removal of Confederate statues directly or indirectly treat it as a local and state issue it is a no win situation for him if he comments. Anti-removal Americans are not racist it is legitimate to view these Confederate figures who have statues as faithful sons of the South that the issue involved has nothing to do with slavery but love of the South and its culture which promotes, lifts up and holds dear honor, virtue, boldness, courage and positive attributes like that which these figures risked and in some cases gave their life supporting. If President Trump advocates this he will only be labeled a racist by many so he should say nothing!

Yo, Are You Dumb? Or Just Your Parents Call You Dumb? The Senate Filibusters Were You Faggot Boy Harry Reid, Who Is A Traitor Democrat, Who Did Away With The Filibuster Rule!!! Hey Dummy, Look Up Who Had A Permit To Protest? It Wasn`t Antifa? The Idiots Who Started The Fights!!! Damn You`re Dumb!!! About Him Denouncing The Hate On Both Sides? He Is Not Obama, He Waits For The Facts To Come In, And Determine What The Facrs Are Really About, Obama Would Comeout And Defend The Antifa, Only Because The Black Lives Matter Where Involved, Racist, The Obama Way, He Could Have Been My Son? Damn You`re Stupid!!!

Hey Stupid? Think Back If You Can? How Many Deals Did The Socialist Democrat Leaders Have To Make, Before They Could Pass Healthcare? Dumbass!!! About Insurance? Government Should Get Their Noses Out Of It, Period! Let The Open Market Handle Insurance, The Way It Has Always Been, If Your Dumbass Is Toooooooo Poor To Buy It? Then Go To The Emergency Room, They Won`t Deny You Service, Period!!! You Want To Know Why Insurance Is So High? Illegals, Who Invaded The Emergency Rooms Across America, It Used To Be Poor American Citizens Would Go To The Emergency Rooms, Now You Have Millions Of Illegals Costing Us Taxpayers Billions Of Dollars!!! Damn, You Are Just Plain Stupid!!! Tom Carper Is Just Another Socialist Democrat Puppet, Get Real Dummy!!! P.S.: Buy Your Own Insurance Loser!!!

Listen Up Dummy, And Your Comrades:
When You Depend On The Government For Anything? They Run Your Life For You! You Have No Say Over Your Independence, Liberty, And Your Way Of Life, If You Dummies Want To Live Like That? Move To Canada, Cuba, Venezuela, England, Switzerland, China, Russia, ETC.!!! Damn IDIOT!!!!

"GTP"
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I don't agree with your bitching about the filibuster rule. Harry Reid started it, and I disagreed with it then and I sure as hell disagree with extending it further. If you can't get 60% of our elected senators to agree to a bill, it shouldn't be passed because it doesn't represent the will of the people at all.
Giving one party the right to rule autonomously every time it has the majority is counterproductive in the long run. Whatever they accomplish will just be demolished the next time the other party gains the majority. We will move back and forth like a see saw rather than forward.

this is why i find it frustrating when the left pulls these games as if they won't come back to be used against them. the ONLY thing they do is validate this as a course of action.

much like obama should have been allowed to appoint a SCOTUS. i do believe he should have. but the democrats blocked bush i believe from doing it cause he was in his last year. then biden comes along and puts up an argument to say "no, not under these conditions" and as soon as it's their turn to do what the law should allow, it becomes politics and games.

Only you, Iceberg, would immediately respond with saying the Left is the one doing it, when we are very clearly talking about the President demanding that the Republican majority/McConnell change the rules to end the filibuster completely. This is not about the Democrats at this time.

only you would miss where i call out both sides.

if i said obama should have been allowed to pick the SCOTUS then i must not agree with the games that were being played by the right at that point. yes biden started it *in this instance* but it doesn't mean we should continue it - that's just as bad. we need to come together as a group and determine the rules of fair play here so people STOP doing this crap

get ready for this

ON
BOTH
SIDES

you seem to have gotten to the point where it doesn't matter what i say, you're going to see it in a non-flattering way. wish it would stop and the antagonism with it, but that's not my call.

Nine Clowns With Gavels and Gowns

The problem with that reasoning is that sometimes a third factor should be taken into consideration: SCROTUS shouldn't be allowed to interpret the Constitution. If some of us are allowed to take that heretical perspective, then the more disgraceful the behavior is in the confirmation process, the sooner people will wake up to the fact that SCROTUS itself is disgraceful. No matter which way it leans, it is always leaning on our democratic rights.

 

[iceberg]

Yo, Are You Dumb? Or Just Your Parents Call You Dumb? The Senate Filibusters Were You Faggot Boy Harry Reid, Who Is A Traitor Democrat, Who Did Away With The Filibuster Rule!!! Hey Dummy, Look Up Who Had A Permit To Protest? It Wasn`t Antifa? The Idiots Who Started The Fights!!! Damn You`re Dumb!!! About Him Denouncing The Hate On Both Sides? He Is Not Obama, He Waits For The Facts To Come In, And Determine What The Facrs Are Really About, Obama Would Comeout And Defend The Antifa, Only Because The Black Lives Matter Where Involved, Racist, The Obama Way, He Could Have Been My Son? Damn You`re Stupid!!!

Hey Stupid? Think Back If You Can? How Many Deals Did The Socialist Democrat Leaders Have To Make, Before They Could Pass Healthcare? Dumbass!!! About Insurance? Government Should Get Their Noses Out Of It, Period! Let The Open Market Handle Insurance, The Way It Has Always Been, If Your Dumbass Is Toooooooo Poor To Buy It? Then Go To The Emergency Room, They Won`t Deny You Service, Period!!! You Want To Know Why Insurance Is So High? Illegals, Who Invaded The Emergency Rooms Across America, It Used To Be Poor American Citizens Would Go To The Emergency Rooms, Now You Have Millions Of Illegals Costing Us Taxpayers Billions Of Dollars!!! Damn, You Are Just Plain Stupid!!! Tom Carper Is Just Another Socialist Democrat Puppet, Get Real Dummy!!! P.S.: Buy Your Own Insurance Loser!!!

Listen Up Dummy, And Your Comrades:
When You Depend On The Government For Anything? They Run Your Life For You! You Have No Say Over Your Independence, Liberty, And Your Way Of Life, If You Dummies Want To Live Like That? Move To Canada, Cuba, Venezuela, England, Switzerland, China, Russia, ETC.!!! Damn IDIOT!!!!

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I don't agree with your bitching about the filibuster rule. Harry Reid started it, and I disagreed with it then and I sure as hell disagree with extending it further. If you can't get 60% of our elected senators to agree to a bill, it shouldn't be passed because it doesn't represent the will of the people at all.
Giving one party the right to rule autonomously every time it has the majority is counterproductive in the long run. Whatever they accomplish will just be demolished the next time the other party gains the majority. We will move back and forth like a see saw rather than forward.

this is why i find it frustrating when the left pulls these games as if they won't come back to be used against them. the ONLY thing they do is validate this as a course of action.

much like obama should have been allowed to appoint a SCOTUS. i do believe he should have. but the democrats blocked bush i believe from doing it cause he was in his last year. then biden comes along and puts up an argument to say "no, not under these conditions" and as soon as it's their turn to do what the law should allow, it becomes politics and games.

Only you, Iceberg, would immediately respond with saying the Left is the one doing it, when we are very clearly talking about the President demanding that the Republican majority/McConnell change the rules to end the filibuster completely. This is not about the Democrats at this time.

only you would miss where i call out both sides.

if i said obama should have been allowed to pick the SCOTUS then i must not agree with the games that were being played by the right at that point. yes biden started it *in this instance* but it doesn't mean we should continue it - that's just as bad. we need to come together as a group and determine the rules of fair play here so people STOP doing this crap

get ready for this

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you seem to have gotten to the point where it doesn't matter what i say, you're going to see it in a non-flattering way. wish it would stop and the antagonism with it, but that's not my call.

Nine Clowns With Gavels and Gowns

The problem with that reasoning is that sometimes a third factor should be taken into consideration: SCROTUS shouldn't be allowed to interpret the Constitution. If some of us are allowed to take that heretical perspective, then the more disgraceful the behavior is in the confirmation process, the sooner people will wake up to the fact that SCROTUS itself is disgraceful. No matter which way it leans, it is always leaning on our democratic rights.

not sure how that applies. my goal here would simply be to do something simple - democrats and republicans get together and say "in the last 6 months of a term a president will not be able to appoint a SCOTUS.

problem solved. as it sits it's a bullshit game pitting sides against each other rehashing this every time the situation comes up. stop it, come to a consistent decision and get the politics out of politics.