Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

[StatesRightsForever]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

aug 7 2025 In an early morning Truth Social post on Thursday, President Donald Trump called for a new census that only counts American citizens and not those who are "in our Country Illegally." Some congressional lawmakers have also called for this measure to be implemented, as the counting of illegal immigrants in many states boosts the numbers of House representatives for those states.

"I have instructed our Department of Commerce to immediately begin work on a new and highly accurate CENSUS based on modern day facts and figures and, importantly, using the results and information gained from the Presidential Election of 2024. People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene brought legislation to the House that would force the Census to only count American citizens and to base congressional apportionment on those numbers. A similar bill was passed last year through the GOP-controlled House but did not make it to the Senate.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

 

[Anomalism]

I don't have an issue with what Trump wants to do. I get that some might see it as controversial, but on the surface, it's just data. Are people worried about us knowing the truth?

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States... according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons... excluding Indians not taxed..."

And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:

"Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed."

This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

 

[Rogue AI]

Liberals will howl at the very notion of the government serving the interest of the People over their foreign pets.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Liberals will howl at the very notion of the government serving the interest of the People over their foreign pets.

Apparently, Trumpsters will howl over the very notion of following the Constitution and its mandates~

 

[Crepitus]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

It's unconstitutional.

 

[Rogue AI]

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:



And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:



This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

Nonsense, while activist liberal judges might attempt to create an issue, as an act of Congress then signed by the President it is little different than the myriad existing laws, such as gun control.

 

[OldFlame]

I don't have an issue with collecting data and getting a clearer picture of the situation. I get that some might see it as controversial, but on the surface, it's just data.

It's data used to add congressional seats, so if you want your data that's fine, but it should not be used towards determining congressional seats, period.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:



And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:



This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

The problem is, the census has an effect on the number of electoral votes a state has. If illegals are counted in the census and thaf state increases its electoral count, doesnt that mean the illegal population has an indirect effect on presidential elections?

 

[1srelluc]

OK, just run it through Congress in the second reconciliation Bill and let SCOTUS decide.

Counting illegals is also a financial matter (monies allocated to the states) and well within the scope of reconciliation.

The Parliamentarian can eat shit and die if she does not agree.

 

[OldFlame]

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:



And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:



This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

You don't have to exclude them from the census, but their numbers should not be used to add congressional seats. Count them all you want, but only the total of legal American citizens should be used to determine congressional representation. Especially since those who are not legal, cannot vote.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Nonsense, while activist liberal judges might attempt to create an issue, as an act of Congress then signed by the President it is little different than the myriad existing laws, such as gun control.

Nope.
Congress cannot subvert the Constitution.
This is one of those things that would need an amendment--as it changes the very foundation of how we have constructed our Govt..

 

[Rogue AI]

Apparently, Trumpsters will howl over the very notion of following the Constitution and its mandates~

Oh please, you loons seem to ignore centuries of precedent on a number of issues such as gun control, limitations on the sales and production of alcohol, and others that are even more succinctly defined within the Constitution.

 

[OldFlame]

Nope.
Congress cannot subvert the Constitution.
This is one of those things that would need an amendment--as it changes the very foundation of how we have constructed our Govt..

No need to 'subvert' the constitution, I think they should be counted so we know how many are here, but that doesn't mean their numbers need to be used in any way to increase congressional representation or electoral college votes.

 

[1srelluc]

Nope.
Congress cannot subvert the Constitution.
This is one of those things that would need an amendment--as it changes the very foundation of how we have constructed our Govt..

Hoo Boy! You sure are want to count illegals for some reason and I suspect it has shit-all to do with the Constitution given the way you people try to ****-over gun owners.

 

[Hafar1014]

I don't have an issue with collecting data and getting a clearer picture of the situation. I get that some might see it as controversial, but on the surface, it's just data.

No it isnt it determines which party has the power. The census determines how many seats are in the house by state population. Democrats have lost so many people from their states that they will lose seats in the next census. States like NY CA and NJ saw their populations move to states like TX and FL. Those seats go to those red states. They also gain EC votes. Democrats are looking at a serious loss of power.
Thats why they opened the border and made sanctuary cities to attract illegals to replace the loss of real citizens in their states.

Illegals should not be counted because they cant vote

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

MAGA truly hates the Constitution, and Haford has a comprehension problem if he does not think that it affect elections.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

OK, just run it through Congress in the second reconciliation Bill and let SCOTUS decide.

Counting illegals is also a financial matter (monies allocated to the states) and well within the scope of reconciliation.

The Parliamentarian can eat shit and die if she does not agree.

How very Fascist of you...LOL!

That being said--We can agree that this would be headed straight to the SCOTUS...where it would be shut-down..not on the merits, or lack thereof--but on the unconstitutionality of the proposal.

We need an amendment--if this is the way the country wishes to go.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You don't have to exclude them from the census, but their numbers should not be used to add congressional seats. Count them all you want, but only the total of legal American citizens should be used to determine congressional representation. Especially since those who are not legal, cannot vote.

United States Constitution Amendment 14 Section 2:
"Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each State, excluding Indians not taxed. "

That will need a Constitutional amendment.

WW

 

[OldFlame]

No it isnt it determines which party has the power. The census determines how many seats are in the house by state population. Democrats have lost so many people from their states that they will lose seats in the next census. States like NY CA and NJ saw their populations move to states like TX and FL. Those seats go to those red states. They also gain EC votes. Democrats are looking at a serious loss of power.
Thats why they opened the border and made sanctuary cities to attract illegals to replace the loss of real citizens in their states.

Illegals should not be counted because they cant vote

They can be counted, but those totals should be removed for the purposes of determining congressional seats since they cannot legally vote or be represented. Let the dems count them, the key is removing that total for the purpose of determining congressional representation.