Trump-Kim summit a step away from war, but light on detail

[LoneLaugher]

Dam partisans are funny if Obama had pulled off a summit with North Korea all we would be hearing from the left is how this is great diplomacy and a brilliant example of his leadership shit he would probably get another Nobel Peace Prize. And yes the right would be trashing it and calling it a disaster.

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

 

[LoneLaugher]

How is it an achievement for Trump to have met with Kim?

Words can't describe the sheer stupidity in your post. Thank God the adults are in charge of the White House again.

Give it a try, genius. Kim has wanted a meeting with the President of the United States for his entire life. Only a moron thinks Trump achieved something by granting him that meeting. Are you a moron?

How do you achieve normalized relations and peace without meeting with them? How has ignoring them made the situation better?

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You expect everything to get done in a day???

After a year and half of posturing and many months of talks leading up to the meeting we expect SOMETHING.

Especially considering that Trump promised that he'll resolve NK situation "easily". If it's so easy why is it not done?

I'll grant that the year and a half of posturing was pointless, but the months of talks led to this meeting. That's an important end in and of itself. That's "SOMETHING" as you put it, and ideally with more to come.

It is NOTHING in terms of results.

ANY American president could have gotten an unconditional meeting that resolves nothing.

Clinton got a deal. Obama got deal. North Koreans reneged on both.

It wasn't an unconditional meeting. You're forgetting the American hostages that were released, that the north and south have agreed in principle to end the Korean War, and that Kim already blew up one of his nuclear sites. You're also forgetting that they met today to begin talks of denuclearization. That's not unconditional by any stretch.

Now you're right that the north is not trustworthy, and that this could all fall apart at any moment. But that's doesn't mean it's not worth the attempt.

 

[Rocko]

'The Singapore summit was textbook Trump, namely, his equation of the personal and chemistry with policy and accomplishment. The problem is less (as so many are saying) the legitimacy the president accorded the North Korean leader, so much as the one-sided outcome that yielded little in the way of substance.

Between the lines: The released statement is almost entirely aspirational. There are no definitions of denuclearization, no specifics as to the requirements of verification, and no timelines. History would suggest that implementation is everything when it comes to North Korea, yet there is nothing firm about what is to be done or when or how.

It is most troubling that Trump agreed to suspend all joint military exercises between the U.S. and South Korea and mentioned the desirability of removing U.S. troops from the peninsula. That he used the phrase “war games” to describe the exercises only makes it more worrisome. There was no mention in the summit statement of reducing North Korea's conventional military threat to the South. The outcome seems to be nothing so much as the “freeze for freeze” proposal China floated months ago linking North Korean weapon and missile testing with U.S.–South Korean exercises.

It will be extraordinarily hard for the United States to maintain pressure on North Korea given that sanctions will begin to unravel (with China and Russia leading the way) and given that South Korean President Moon has committed to normalizing relations with the North. The only reference to a future process assumes a continuation of bilateral talks. None of this bodes well for future North Korean concessions or for the concerns of American allies.

The bottom line: The good news is that the Singapore summit initiated a diplomatic process with the potential to make a contribution to stability and peace. War seems much more distant than it did just months ago. The bad news is that "potential" is the operative word here, and we are off to an unbalanced start.'

Richard Haass is president of the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of “A World in Disarray.”


So - as usual - Trump boasts big, but has little to show for his 'efforts'.

What a loser.

This is literally their first meeting. The fact that it happened at all is a huge achievement for everyone involved. Getting Kim to dismantle his nuclear program overnight was always a straw man.

How is it an achievement for Trump to have met with Kim?

Words can't describe the sheer stupidity in your post. Thank God the adults are in charge of the White House again.

Give it a try, genius. Kim has wanted a meeting with the President of the United States for his entire life. Only a

You expect everything to get done in a day???

After a year and half of posturing and many months of talks leading up to the meeting we expect SOMETHING.

Especially considering that Trump promised that he'll resolve NK situation "easily". If it's so easy why is it not done?

Hussein and Clinton didn’t get squat done in 16 years. Why are you all of a sudden so demanding to see results?

I feel like there's another president in between those two who also got nothing done.

But he didn’t get duped at least

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

This is literally their first meeting. The fact that it happened at all is a huge achievement for everyone involved. Getting Kim to dismantle his nuclear program overnight was always a straw man.

How is it an achievement for Trump to have met with Kim?

Well I'd say it's mostly an achievement for Moon Jae-in who is the person most responsible for diplomacy with the north, but it's also an achievement for Kim to be the first ruler of North Korea to meet with a sitting U.S. president. But for Trump it's an achievement to reach a point where a president could meet with a North Korean ruler to discuss denuclearization at all and normalized relations with the west.

Nope. It is not an achievement for Trump. Kim would have met him at any time. Please. Let us be serious.

It's not an achievement for an American president to meet with the North Korean dictator to discuss denuclearization? Somebody needs to get serious.

No. Not at all. It could have happened at any time during the past 50 years. It was a CONCESSION.

It literally could not have because the north was not willing to discuss denuclearization. The reason Kim Jong-un was chosen as the successor to Kim Jong-il instead of Kim Jong-nam is because Jong-nam wanted to get rid of the nuclear program and liberalize the country.

 

[Rocko]

Words can't describe the sheer stupidity in your post. Thank God the adults are in charge of the White House again.

Give it a try, genius. Kim has wanted a meeting with the President of the United States for his entire life. Only a moron thinks Trump achieved something by granting him that meeting. Are you a moron?

How do you achieve normalized relations and peace without meeting with them? How has ignoring them made the situation better?

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

We got three Americans freed from prison

 

[kwc57]

'The Singapore summit was textbook Trump, namely, his equation of the personal and chemistry with policy and accomplishment. The problem is less (as so many are saying) the legitimacy the president accorded the North Korean leader, so much as the one-sided outcome that yielded little in the way of substance.

Between the lines: The released statement is almost entirely aspirational. There are no definitions of denuclearization, no specifics as to the requirements of verification, and no timelines. History would suggest that implementation is everything when it comes to North Korea, yet there is nothing firm about what is to be done or when or how.

It is most troubling that Trump agreed to suspend all joint military exercises between the U.S. and South Korea and mentioned the desirability of removing U.S. troops from the peninsula. That he used the phrase “war games” to describe the exercises only makes it more worrisome. There was no mention in the summit statement of reducing North Korea's conventional military threat to the South. The outcome seems to be nothing so much as the “freeze for freeze” proposal China floated months ago linking North Korean weapon and missile testing with U.S.–South Korean exercises.

It will be extraordinarily hard for the United States to maintain pressure on North Korea given that sanctions will begin to unravel (with China and Russia leading the way) and given that South Korean President Moon has committed to normalizing relations with the North. The only reference to a future process assumes a continuation of bilateral talks. None of this bodes well for future North Korean concessions or for the concerns of American allies.

The bottom line: The good news is that the Singapore summit initiated a diplomatic process with the potential to make a contribution to stability and peace. War seems much more distant than it did just months ago. The bad news is that "potential" is the operative word here, and we are off to an unbalanced start.'

Richard Haass is president of the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of “A World in Disarray.”


So - as usual - Trump boasts big, but has little to show for his 'efforts'.

What a loser.

This is literally their first meeting. The fact that it happened at all is a huge achievement for everyone involved. Getting Kim to dismantle his nuclear program overnight was always a straw man.

How is it an achievement for Trump to have met with Kim?

Are you actually, literally THAT stupid? Oh wait, its LoneLapper…...

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Dam partisans are funny if Obama had pulled off a summit with North Korea all we would be hearing from the left is how this is great diplomacy and a brilliant example of his leadership shit he would probably get another Nobel Peace Prize. And yes the right would be trashing it and calling it a disaster.

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

He hasn't made an agreement with Trump.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Words can't describe the sheer stupidity in your post. Thank God the adults are in charge of the White House again.

Give it a try, genius. Kim has wanted a meeting with the President of the United States for his entire life. Only a moron thinks Trump achieved something by granting him that meeting. Are you a moron?

How do you achieve normalized relations and peace without meeting with them? How has ignoring them made the situation better?

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

 

[mudwhistle]

'The Singapore summit was textbook Trump, namely, his equation of the personal and chemistry with policy and accomplishment. The problem is less (as so many are saying) the legitimacy the president accorded the North Korean leader, so much as the one-sided outcome that yielded little in the way of substance.

Between the lines: The released statement is almost entirely aspirational. There are no definitions of denuclearization, no specifics as to the requirements of verification, and no timelines. History would suggest that implementation is everything when it comes to North Korea, yet there is nothing firm about what is to be done or when or how.

It is most troubling that Trump agreed to suspend all joint military exercises between the U.S. and South Korea and mentioned the desirability of removing U.S. troops from the peninsula. That he used the phrase “war games” to describe the exercises only makes it more worrisome. There was no mention in the summit statement of reducing North Korea's conventional military threat to the South. The outcome seems to be nothing so much as the “freeze for freeze” proposal China floated months ago linking North Korean weapon and missile testing with U.S.–South Korean exercises.

It will be extraordinarily hard for the United States to maintain pressure on North Korea given that sanctions will begin to unravel (with China and Russia leading the way) and given that South Korean President Moon has committed to normalizing relations with the North. The only reference to a future process assumes a continuation of bilateral talks. None of this bodes well for future North Korean concessions or for the concerns of American allies.

The bottom line: The good news is that the Singapore summit initiated a diplomatic process with the potential to make a contribution to stability and peace. War seems much more distant than it did just months ago. The bad news is that "potential" is the operative word here, and we are off to an unbalanced start.'

Richard Haass is president of the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of “A World in Disarray.”


So - as usual - Trump boasts big, but has little to show for his 'efforts'.

What a loser.

This is literally their first meeting. The fact that it happened at all is a huge achievement for everyone involved. Getting Kim to dismantle his nuclear program overnight was always a straw man.

Nope.
This agreement is just like the tax-cuts.
It's a disaster.
We're all going to die.
Just ask Nancy Pelosi.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Dam partisans are funny if Obama had pulled off a summit with North Korea all we would be hearing from the left is how this is great diplomacy and a brilliant example of his leadership shit he would probably get another Nobel Peace Prize. And yes the right would be trashing it and calling it a disaster.

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

He hasn't made an agreement with Trump.

Are you kidding? They signed the same non-binding agreement that has been signed before. Only ‘‘tis time, Kim got his wish of the perception of legitimacy for his people to see.

 

[Rocko]

Give it a try, genius. Kim has wanted a meeting with the President of the United States for his entire life. Only a moron thinks Trump achieved something by granting him that meeting. Are you a moron?

How do you achieve normalized relations and peace without meeting with them? How has ignoring them made the situation better?

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

As well as the Norks stoping their missile launches

 

[LoneLaugher]

'The Singapore summit was textbook Trump, namely, his equation of the personal and chemistry with policy and accomplishment. The problem is less (as so many are saying) the legitimacy the president accorded the North Korean leader, so much as the one-sided outcome that yielded little in the way of substance.

Between the lines: The released statement is almost entirely aspirational. There are no definitions of denuclearization, no specifics as to the requirements of verification, and no timelines. History would suggest that implementation is everything when it comes to North Korea, yet there is nothing firm about what is to be done or when or how.

It is most troubling that Trump agreed to suspend all joint military exercises between the U.S. and South Korea and mentioned the desirability of removing U.S. troops from the peninsula. That he used the phrase “war games” to describe the exercises only makes it more worrisome. There was no mention in the summit statement of reducing North Korea's conventional military threat to the South. The outcome seems to be nothing so much as the “freeze for freeze” proposal China floated months ago linking North Korean weapon and missile testing with U.S.–South Korean exercises.

It will be extraordinarily hard for the United States to maintain pressure on North Korea given that sanctions will begin to unravel (with China and Russia leading the way) and given that South Korean President Moon has committed to normalizing relations with the North. The only reference to a future process assumes a continuation of bilateral talks. None of this bodes well for future North Korean concessions or for the concerns of American allies.

The bottom line: The good news is that the Singapore summit initiated a diplomatic process with the potential to make a contribution to stability and peace. War seems much more distant than it did just months ago. The bad news is that "potential" is the operative word here, and we are off to an unbalanced start.'

Richard Haass is president of the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of “A World in Disarray.”


So - as usual - Trump boasts big, but has little to show for his 'efforts'.

What a loser.

This is literally their first meeting. The fact that it happened at all is a huge achievement for everyone involved. Getting Kim to dismantle his nuclear program overnight was always a straw man.

How is it an achievement for Trump to have met with Kim?

Are you actually, literally THAT stupid? Oh wait, its LoneLapper…...

Follow the discussion.

 

[jc456]

You expect everything to get done in a day???

dude, the left has no idea how the world turns.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Give it a try, genius. Kim has wanted a meeting with the President of the United States for his entire life. Only a moron thinks Trump achieved something by granting him that meeting. Are you a moron?

How do you achieve normalized relations and peace without meeting with them? How has ignoring them made the situation better?

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

You’ve bought in.

One. We don’t negotiate for hostages. Do we?

Two. NK has released hostages in the past. We gave Kim no meeting in return.

The end of the Korean War has yet to be finalized.

The destruction of a nuclear site? You mean the collapsed mountainside?

Please. Stop already. It’s embarrassing.

 

[LoneLaugher]

How do you achieve normalized relations and peace without meeting with them? How has ignoring them made the situation better?

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

As well as the Norks stoping their missile launches

They’ve done that many times before.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Dam partisans are funny if Obama had pulled off a summit with North Korea all we would be hearing from the left is how this is great diplomacy and a brilliant example of his leadership shit he would probably get another Nobel Peace Prize. And yes the right would be trashing it and calling it a disaster.

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

He hasn't made an agreement with Trump.

Are you kidding? They signed the same non-binding agreement that has been signed before. Only ‘‘tis time, Kim got his wish of the perception of legitimacy for his people to see.

Kim doesn't need a perception of legitimacy among his people. If his people express displeasure with him their Songbun status is revoked for their entire family and they find themselves working hard labor in the mines or fields or put into a labor camp. Meeting with Trump isn't going to change that they have to publicly view Kim as legitimate or else.

 

[Rocko]

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

As well as the Norks stoping their missile launches

They’ve done that many times before.

Is it a bad thing that they’re doing it now? Would they have done it without the meeting? Why don’t you take a wait and see approach, instead of rooting for America to fail because you hate trump?

 

[jc456]

Dam partisans are funny if Obama had pulled off a summit with North Korea all we would be hearing from the left is how this is great diplomacy and a brilliant example of his leadership shit he would probably get another Nobel Peace Prize. And yes the right would be trashing it and calling it a disaster.

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

He hasn't made an agreement with Trump.

Are you kidding? They signed the same non-binding agreement that has been signed before. Only ‘‘tis time, Kim got his wish of the perception of legitimacy for his people to see.

what one writes when one has no idea how this works.

 

[jc456]

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

As well as the Norks stoping their missile launches

They’ve done that many times before.

Is it a bad thing that they’re doing it now? Would they have done it without the meeting? Why don’t you take a wait and see approach, instead of rooting for America to fail because you hate trump?

the dude is a leftist loser. he sees only failure through his eyes. he has no idea how complicated this all is. and that what happened is but one very small baby step. one, and that's all. he was expecting to invite kim for supper tonight I think.