Trump & Jerusalem: Why is this necessary?

[Mac1958]

I should post this in the CDZ, but what the hell, I'm here now.

Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital

With everything else going on right now, why is this necessary?

What is the NET - and I mean, above and beyond the anger this is stirring - positive of this move?
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[Slow]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy

You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do

This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

 

[iceberg]

good question. far as i know it *is* their capital but failure to recognize it officially somehow makes people who hate israel a little happier. that would likely go back to israel being given the land long ago and stir up crap that's been stirred up in that region since that region found its first grain of sand in their shoe.

for trump it could be just to NOT be like everyone else. he's also following through on a campaign promise. why is it important? i can't answer that unfortunately because i don't know why it hurts people one way or another what capital they have or why other than a continued reason to keep the same hate alive.

good question - i'm anxious to hear non-trollling input and learn some also.

 

[Penelope]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy

You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do

This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

Who in the hell promised them??

 

[iceberg]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy

You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do

This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

so does this somehow formalize Israel as a country then? what is the significance of the move itself?

 

[Penelope]

good question. far as i know it *is* their capital but failure to recognize it officially somehow makes people who hate israel a little happier. that would likely go back to israel being given the land long ago and stir up crap that's been stirred up in that region since that region found its first grain of sand in their shoe.

for trump it could be just to NOT be like everyone else. he's also following through on a campaign promise. why is it important? i can't answer that unfortunately because i don't know why it hurts people one way or another what capital they have or why other than a continued reason to keep the same hate alive.

good question - i'm anxious to hear non-trollling input and learn some also.

Who said it is their capital?

 

[Mac1958]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy. You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

Do you think that our relationship with Israel would damaged if Trump didn't do this, right now, at this very moment?
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[Slow]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy

You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do

This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

so does this somehow formalize Israel as a country then? what is the significance of the move itself?

Yes, it legitimizes them in their mind.

They should be allowed to govern themself without fear of violent religious zealots threatening them.

Trump has their back and they love him for that.

 

[iceberg]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy

You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do

This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

so does this somehow formalize Israel as a country then? what is the significance of the move itself?

Yes, it legitimizes them in their mind.

They should be allowed to govern themself without fear of violent religious zealots threatening them.

Trump has their back and they love him for that.

ok - then about what i figured. i just don't understand the approach of "here, have a country, piss everyone off, but to make it ok, don't have a capital...ok? ok..."

how can anyone ask a people like this to be a "sorta" country?

 

[Penelope]

Who gave them Jerusalem? Most of the Israelites are secular. Maybe they (the Israelites)are the genocidal freaks, they are certaintly not religious freaks unless they are ultra orthodox , Hasidic jews.

 

[Slow]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy. You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

Do you think that our relationship with Israel would damaged if Trump didn't do this, right now, at this very moment?
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Trump promised to do it during his campaign and is following through on yet another campaign promise.

Yes, making empty promises and not following through strains relations.

Having said that, it's not about our relationship. We are the United States and we do the right thing without fear of making savages upset.

Israel is the one that will have to deal with the retaliation and they wanted this. We have to respect that.

 

[gipper]

Maybe the point is to cause more war. Would not surprise me.

 

[iceberg]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy. You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

Do you think that our relationship with Israel would damaged if Trump didn't do this, right now, at this very moment?
.

Why declaring Jerusalem capital of Israel is controversial - CNN

will move US embassy there.
Why is declaring Jerusalem the capital such a big deal?
The final status of Jerusalem has always been one of the most difficult and sensitive questions in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If the United States declares Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, it would be seen as prejudging that question, deciding an issue that was supposed to be left to negotiations and breaking with the international consensus on the holy city.

Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital also moves the United States one major step closer to relocating the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which would be seen as cementing Israeli sovereignty over the city.

holy shit - non biased news from CNN. pretty good article that helps me understand anyway.

 

[iceberg]

so was jerusalim a "split city" and making it the capital "assumed" total ownership? trying to understand what i'm reading.

 

[Penelope]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy. You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

Do you think that our relationship with Israel would damaged if Trump didn't do this, right now, at this very moment?
.

Trump promised to do it during his campaign and is following through on yet another campaign promise.

Yes, making empty promises and not following through strains relations.

Having said that, it's not about our relationship. We are the United States and we do the right thing without fear of making savages upset.

Israel is the one that will have to deal with the retaliation and they wanted this. We have to respect that.

He had no right to make such a promise. No the US will have to deal with it. You call the Muslims savages, I say the Israelites are savages.

 

[Mac1958]

You don't do the right thing because it is easy. You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. This has been promised to jews for a long time and Trump is the first POTUS with the balls to do it.

Do you think that our relationship with Israel would damaged if Trump didn't do this, right now, at this very moment?
.

Why declaring Jerusalem capital of Israel is controversial - CNN

will move US embassy there.
Why is declaring Jerusalem the capital such a big deal?
The final status of Jerusalem has always been one of the most difficult and sensitive questions in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If the United States declares Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, it would be seen as prejudging that question, deciding an issue that was supposed to be left to negotiations and breaking with the international consensus on the holy city.

Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital also moves the United States one major step closer to relocating the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which would be seen as cementing Israeli sovereignty over the city.

holy shit - non biased news from CNN. pretty good article that helps me understand anyway.

I don't see how in the world this could be considered a positive influence on peace talks, though.
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[martybegan]

I should post this in the CDZ, but what the hell, I'm here now.

Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital

With everything else going on right now, why is this necessary?

What is the NET - and I mean, above and beyond the anger this is stirring - positive of this move?
.

Mostly because he said he was going to do it, and it's something he can do without the input of Congress.

Plus it gives another distraction to set off the TDS nutters.

As a bonus it adds another "minus" to the concept of him being a white supremacist.

 

[Mac1958]

I should post this in the CDZ, but what the hell, I'm here now.

Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital

With everything else going on right now, why is this necessary?

What is the NET - and I mean, above and beyond the anger this is stirring - positive of this move?
.

Mostly because he said he was going to do it, and it's something he can do without the input of Congress.

Plus it gives another distraction to set off the TDS nutters.

As a bonus it adds another "minus" to the concept of him being a white supremacist.

Ah, some fresh and meaty cynicism to start the day.

Good, thanks.
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[jillian]

I should post this in the CDZ, but what the hell, I'm here now.

Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital

With everything else going on right now, why is this necessary?

What is the NET - and I mean, above and beyond the anger this is stirring - positive of this move?
.

Donald wants to create distractions so we don't think about the criminality of him and everyone around him. He also wants to keep his evangelical crazies happy.

This is going to get people killed. (Even if I believe it's something to work toward as part of a diplomatic effort)

 

[Penelope]

so was jerusalim a "split city" and making it the capital "assumed" total ownership? trying to understand what i'm reading.

I should post this in the CDZ, but what the hell, I'm here now.

Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital

With everything else going on right now, why is this necessary?

What is the NET - and I mean, above and beyond the anger this is stirring - positive of this move?
.

Mostly because he said he was going to do it, and it's something he can do without the input of Congress.

Plus it gives another distraction to set off the TDS nutters.

As a bonus it adds another "minus" to the concept of him being a white supremacist.

No its because he loves jews, and has a long history with them and their money. Self serving (can't say, I'd be banned for life) PS: only the rich ones though.