Trump is running out of other people's money to pay lawyers. Save America PAC is almost broke

[Lone Wanderer]

Bluster as in using language in a confident way to smother the truth or reality. It doesn’t have to be loud in order to drown out what you don’t want to hear.

If you're trying to accuse me of that, then sophistry is the right word.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

They?
Who made Trump a victim?

Who do you think?... It's not exactly a closely guarded secret who heavily funds both parties. Big banking, big pharma, and the military industrial complex decide who wins. Most of the time, they buy both sides. Trump pissed off a lot of people in those groups, although he did cave to big pharma somewhat.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

taking in his speeches and interviews the past few days, it would seem he is going for the insanity defense.

Maybe it is insane to believe you can win an election in this country without being totally bought.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If you're trying to accuse me of that, then sophistry is the right word.

Mmm… yeah but that’s missing the umph in bluster.
Sophistry requires a level of sophistication that is lacking.
It’s more primal.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Who do you think?... It's not exactly a closely guarded secret who heavily funds both parties. Big banking, big pharma, and the military industrial complex decide who wins. Most of the time, they buy both sides. Trump pissed off a lot of people in those groups, although he did cave to big pharma somewhat.

Duh deep state?
There’s that hubris again.
Supported by the magical thinking of his supporters.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

91 strands of spaghetti thrown at the wall.
Good luck with that.

The 91 counts are actually average 30 counts. New actions are filed by changing the caption and the court then reprinting. If one fails, they all fail.

 

[themirrorthief]

One time under indictment is no bullshit. Trump has four with 91 individual counts. Even a conviction on only one or two is a life sentence for Trump.

Lemme know when ya got Joe like that. Son.

so what, nobody trusts democrats anymore.......they would indict their mother if she voted with common sense

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Maybe it is insane to believe you can win an election in this country without being totally bought.

Candidates are able to choose their donors. They don’t have to accept what they choose to not associate with.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

Duh deep state?

If you dislike that phrase, the bureaucratic state works. If you didn't already know, the Deep State was originally a concept developed by Noam Chomsky - a leftist. While Chomsky has a bit of a blindside regarding the actions of some of the non-West, he accurately describes the levers of power in the American system and in much of the West overall. The US, like any other major nation, has a large bureaucratic state with private power brokers. Those are the real people that run things. They don't need to hold office, because they mostly decide who runs in the first place. The Dems and GOP have a lot more in common on certain policies than many people like to admit, and this is why.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

so what, nobody trusts democrats anymore.......they would indict their mother if she voted with common sense

Which Democrats indicted Trump?

 

[Lone Wanderer]

Candidates are able to choose their donors. They don’t have to accept what they choose to not associate with.

Sure. But if you want to win, you have to accept a lot of PAC money.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If you dislike that phrase, the bureaucratic state works. If you didn't already know, the Deep State was originally a concept developed by Noam Chomsky - a leftist. While Chomsky has a bit of a blindside regarding the actions of some of the non-West, he accurately describes the levers of power in the American system and in much of the West overall. The US, like any other major nation, has a large bureaucratic state with private power brokers. Those are the real people that run things. They don't need to hold office, because they mostly decide who runs in the first place. The Dems and GOP have a lot more in common on certain policies than many people like to admit, and this is why.

Ok.
So how did they force Trump to do what he’s charged with?
Is he really just a yuge fall guy?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Sure. But if you want to win, you have to accept a lot of PAC money.

But they have a choice as to who and how they do it.
Power brokers pay for influence. They’ll pay on your terms just to have a say. They’re useless without the guy in office.
Elect the guy who doesn’t sell out.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

Ok.
So how did they force Trump to do what he’s charged with?
Is he really just a yuge fall guy?

That's not how this works. When you have politicized institutions tasked with making sure a candidate can't run in an election, you come up with anything you can remotely assume to win a case on.

The "force" here is relentlessly pursuing your target with federal and state resources.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

But they have a choice as to who and how they do it.
Power brokers pay for influence. They’ll pay on your terms just to have a say. They’re useless without the guy in office.
Elect the guy who doesn’t sell out.

That is the ideal. It's why I supported people like Ron Paul in the past. Paul didn't stand a chance at getting the GOP nomination, however.

Vivek would seem to be the most recent GOP candidate like this. He's openly refused PAC money, but he's not likely to get the nomination even if Trump is removed from the process.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That's not how this works. When you have politicized institutions tasked with making sure a candidate can't run in an election, you come up with anything you can remotely assume to win a case on.

The "force" here is relentlessly pursuing your target with federal and state resources.

No.
That’s not how it works.
Actual evidence is required to indict. That’s the purpose of the Grand jury. They review the evidence and decide if it warrants criminal charges.
To get to the point where Trump is now requires many witnesses and supporting evidence.
Now think about four separate indictments and 91 counts.
That requires a ton of evidence.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

No.
That’s not how it works.
Actual evidence is required to indict. That’s the purpose of the Grand jury. They review the evidence and decide if it warrants criminal charges.
To get to the point where Trump is now requires many witnesses and supporting evidence.
Now think about four separate indictments and 91 counts.
That requires a ton of evidence.

Yet still no conviction....

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That is the ideal. It's why I supported people like Ron Paul in the past. Paul didn't stand a chance at getting the GOP nomination, however.

Vivek would seem to be the most recent GOP candidate like this. He's openly refused PAC money, but he's not likely to get the nomination even if Trump is removed from the process.

A true die hard.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

A true die hard.

And who is your ideal candidate?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yet still no conviction....

Obviously as the trials have not concluded.
That ”bluster” doesn’t erase what I just said about the evidence.