And by 'coup', you mean an impeachment?
You may want to look up the meaning of Coup. As it has nothing to do with impeachments.
Spreading false information to make impeachment seem proper is indeed a coup you ignorant twerp.
What false information? Trump has already confessed to the asking the Ukrainians for "a favour" in the transcript. He can't take that back, but he's now trying to say that the transcript doesn't say, what it says.
Trump has Barr going around the world investigating the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA. Do you know how STUPID that is? He is asking foreign security agencies to investigate American security agencies, to help Trump's campaign. What do you think other governments are making of these requests?
Your president is unfit for office. Removing him from office is a necessity for the safety and security of the country, and the rest of the free world as well.
Its not illegal for one president to ask another to do him a favor. He did not ask anyone to make up false dirt against a political opponent. The favor was only in regards to computer servers, and that was it. He asked if they could help get down to the bottom of what happened. Now prove that should be interpreted as looking for false dirt... and not looking for the truth into what happened.
It is illegal when said president asking for favors is running in the same election as the target of his favors.
Well, its funny that when I read the transcript i don't see Biden's name brought up 7 or 8 times, I don't see Trump asking for dirt either 7 or 8 times. The favor had to do with the Crowd strike thing... the servers.. and Trump was asking him to find the truth, not to make something up .. AS PRESENTED TO US BY SCHIFF ! Sorry but we all know the Democrats have been trying to impeach Trump for the last 3 years.... then supprise supprise a secret CIA operative comes by with faulty 2nd hand info. I just cant believe you don't see the corruption here. I don't have to like President Trump one bit to see that these actions are bordering on criminal ...if not criminal.
Further more... looking at the transcript, I see Trump talking about Biden in two sentences.... saying there is a lot of talk about Biden (which it is known to everyone there was).... and that Biden went around bragging ( which he did)..... All Trump said in these two sentences was , maybe you can take a look at it.
that in no way constitutes anything remotely close to what Schiff said... or the fake report by the CIA agent... how can they get it so wrong? how can you defend that unless you support misinformation just because you dont like Trump?
"Well, its funny that when I read the transcript i don't see Biden's name brought up 7 or 8 times"
Who said Biden's name was mentioned 7 or 8 times?? Try sticking to what I actually post.
"The favor had to do with the Crowd strike thing... the servers.. and Trump was asking him to find the truth, not to make something up "
There were 2 favors. He asked Zelensky to look into the DNC server AND he ask Zelensky to look into Biden firing Shokin.
"then supprise supprise a secret CIA operative comes by with faulty 2nd hand info."
Despite being second hand, the Whistleblower's complaint strongly matched the phone call transcript.
Early in the morning of 25 July, the President spoke by telephone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
That was true
Early in the morning of 25 July, the President spoke by telephone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
That was true
Multiple White House officials with direct knowledge of the call informed me that, after an initial exchange of pleasantries, the President used the remainder of the call to advance his personal interests. Namely, he sought to pressure the Ukrainian leader to take actions to help the President’s 2020 reelection bid.
That was true with the exception of "sought to pressure," which was subjective opinion.
initiate or continue an investigation into the activities of former Vice President Joseph Biden and his son, Hunter Biden
That was true
assist in purportedly uncovering that allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election originated in Ukraine , with a specific request that the Ukrainian leader locate and turn over servers used by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and examined by the U.S. cyber security firm Crowdstrike, which initially reported that Russian hackers had penetrated the DNC’s networks in 2016
That was true
meet or speak with two people the President named explicitly as his personal envoys on these matters, Mr. Giuliani and Attorney General Barr, to whom the President referred multiple times in tandem.
That was true
And there's more, most of it like the above, pretty much matched the phone call. So trying to dismiss the whistleblower because their info came from others really doesn't fly.
"I just cant believe you don't see the corruption here. I don't have to like President Trump one bit to see that these actions are bordering on criminal ...if not criminal."
The corruption I see is on Trump's part. Trying to leverage a foreign leader to find dirt on a political rival. Not only corruption, but delusions as well. The DNC server(s) are not in Ukraine. The last I read, the DNC still has their servers. Trump is a conspiracy nut. He fell for the Birther shit for years. Now he's falling for the Ukraine hacking conspiracy. We have a certifiable nut running the country. If he doesn't get impeached and convicted, he can still be thrown out based on the 25th Amendment.
"Further more... looking at the transcript, I see Trump talking about Biden in two sentences.... saying there is a lot of talk about Biden (which it is known to everyone there was).... and that Biden went around bragging ( which he did)..... All Trump said in these two sentences was , maybe you can take a look at it."
I'm not sure what difference it makes that he talked about Biden in 2 sentences. Trump still believes Biden did something wrong at best, illegal at worst, and asked a foreign leader to look into the matter. Especially given that both Bidens were cleared previously of any wrong doing. To make it worse, Trump is now flat out lying, saying that Biden gave Ukraine a billion dollars to halt an investigation into Biden's son's company; when a) Biden didn't give them a penny. That was given by the Congress and Obama; and b) There's no evidence that Burisma Holdings was under investigation when Shokin got sacked.
"that in no way constitutes anything remotely close to what Schiff said... or the fake report by the CIA agent... how can they get it so wrong? how can you defend that unless you support misinformation just because you dont like Trump?"
I have not defended what Schiff said. As far as the whistleblower, their complaint wasn't fake. Again, it was fairly accurate to the phone call as we now know it. they didn't get it "so wrong." You categorizing it as such is wrong.
And it has nothing to do with how I feel about Trump. Even through the Comey investigation and then the Mueller investigation, I never said Trump should be impeached. I always said I would wait until the investigations were over to determine if I thought he should be impeached. And when the Mueller report went public, I acknowledged it cleared him of collusion/conspiracy with Russia. I also said even though I thought there was evidence he obstructed justice, I still didn't think it was reason enough to impeach him since there was no underlying charge.
Now I think he should be impeached. He solicited a foreign national to dig up dirt on a political rival. And it's getting worse. Since he thinks he's above the law, now he's seeking to get China to investigate Biden for him as well. Where does that type of political assassination end now that he's getting away with it?
Are you going to give him a pass if he starts pulling this shit against Warren, and Sanders, and O'Rourke, and Harris, and any other Democrat looking to run against him?
