Trump is Repeating Richard Nixon’s Failed Plan to Shutter Federal Agencies

[kyzr]

Of course you are. We've known all along you'd be OK with Don using the DoJ to pursue vendettas.
The thing is, courts of law..........where lies and bluster do not fare well...........have never been kind to the Felon-in-Chief.

Trump has not had his cases reviewed by the full appeal process. We'll see how Trump fares after all appeals are over.

 

[Lesh]

We'll see how this USSC views the president's Article 2 Powers. That 1838 post office case may not apply to "waste and fraud".

It certainly applies to impoundments… and this what this is about

The supposed reason for those impoundments is or at least should be irrelevant

 

[berg80]

Trump has not had his cases reviewed by the full appeal process. We'll see how Trump fares after all appeals are over.

Your unwitting admission he continues to engage in endless lawfare to escape accountability for his crimes is accepted.

 

[kyzr]

It certainly applies to impoundments… and this what this is about
The supposed reason for those impoundments is or at least should be irrelevant

Not how Article 2 stipulates impoundments or rescissions:

Impoundment of Appropiated Funds

, of the U.S. Constitution: Analysis and Interpretation

law.justia.com

“Policy” impoundments were to be reported to Congress by the President as permanent rescissions and, perhaps, as temporary deferrals.721 Rescissions are merely recommendations or proposals of the President and must be authorized by a bill or joint resolution, or, after 45 days from the presidential message, the funds must be made available for obligation.722 Temporary deferrals of budget authority for less than a full fiscal year, as provided in the 1974 law, were to be effective unless either the House of Representatives or the Senate passed a resolution of disapproval.723 With the decision in INS v. Chadha,724 voiding as unconstitutional the one-House legislative veto, it was evident that the veto provision in the deferral section of the Impoundment Control Act was no longer viable. An Administration effort to utilize the section, minus the veto device, was thwarted by court action, in which, applying established sever-ability analysis, the court held that Congress would not have enacted the deferral provision in the absence of power to police its exercise through the veto.725 Thus, the entire deferral section was inoperative. Congress, in 1987, enacted a more restricted authority, limited to deferrals only for those purposes set out in the Anti-Deficiency Act

 

[kyzr]

Your unwitting admission he continues to engage in endless lawfare to escape accountability for his crimes is accepted.

Nope. Not what I said. I said that the 34 bullshit/Lawfare "felonies" will be overturned on appeal.

 

[Nostra]

Since he returned to office, Donald Trump and his allies have used a series of illegal tactics to withhold federal funding and strangle administrative agencies. The administration has tried to freeze federal funding with an agency memorandum, turned over control of the government’s payments systems to an unelected and unaccountable actor in Elon Musk, and withheld appropriations from the US Agency for International Development (USAID). Reportedly, the administration is also preparing an executive order to dismantle the Department of Education in the coming weeks.

Trump’s actions are stunning, but they’re not entirely unprecedented. Richard Nixon used a similar strategy in an attempt to unilaterally shut down the Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO), the federal agency created under President Lyndon Johnson to implement the War on Poverty. Mobilization by unionized federal workers and the courts eventually put an end to Nixon’s efforts. This history highlights how opponents of Trump’s power grab can potentially fight back—and protect one of the most sacrosanct principles embedded in the Constitution.

The Playbook for Stopping Trump From Shuttering Agencies

Presidents can't shutter an agency Congress created by statute. Only Congress has this power.

time.com

Dems need to be clear in their messaging (something they are terrible at) when it comes to opposing trump's total government takeover. Especially how Don is using the fraud and abuse tag line to cover for his greater ambitions. They run the risk of being pigeon holed as the party trying to block efforts to reduce the deficit. When in reality it is more accurate to say the objection they are raising has more to do with the illegal way trump is going about it.

Over the weekend trump as much as admitted he is breaking laws to meet his objectives. Rationalizing it by claiming he should be allowed to break laws if, in his opinion, it's for the good of the country. Following a pattern of open admissions he believes he should possess autocratic power.

In so doing, vindicating what some of us have been predicting would happen. Not that it required any great insight. He's been telegraphing it for years. Previously, those efforts have entailed probing for and exploiting weaknesses in our democracy in ways that had never been contemplated. Our defenses having been oriented to repel foreign enemies, not internal ones. The enemy is now, as the saying goes, inside the gate. The next 4 years will be a test of our fortitude to fight against it.

What law is he breaking berg80 ?

 

[Nostra]

There's a classic example of taking a kernel of truth and using it to justify extralegal measures to break, not fix, the government.

Trump Fired, Then Unfired, National Nuclear Security Administration Employees. What Were Their Jobs?​

When termination letters were sent to employees across the federal government last week, the Trump administration affected an agency charged with the readiness of America’s nuclear arsenal.

The move also shined a spotlight on the agency, the National Nuclear Security Administration, which few Americans likely think of often, if ever, but has a monumental responsibility.

Here’s a rundown of what the obscure agency does and the potential reasons that the Trump administration had to quickly adjust some of the firings:

Trump Fired, Then Unfired, National Nuclear Security Administration Employees. What Were Their Jobs?

The administration asked some of the agency’s workers, who were part of last week’s massive layoffs across the federal government, to come back.

www.nytimes.com

When people in charge of government efficiency are incompetent it does not inspire confidence in the outcome.

What is “extralegal” about his actions?

 

[Nostra]

I'm not your research assistant. The internet is at your disposal, use it.

Hint, read the Time article I provided a link for.

So you lied.

Got it.

 

[Nostra]

Your unwitting admission he continues to engage in endless lawfare to escape accountability for his crimes is accepted.

So, if someone files a legal appeal in a court per the Constitution you think he is engaged in lawfare.

What a clown.

 

[Nostra]

Your unwitting admission he continues to engage in endless lawfare to escape accountability for his crimes is accepted.

Hey look everyone….Biden LAWFARE!

US appeals court blocks Biden administration effort to restore net neutrality rules

Decision is a blow to outgoing Biden administration that had made restoring the open internet rules a priority

www.voanews.com

 

[Nostra]

Your unwitting admission he continues to engage in endless lawfare to escape accountability for his crimes is accepted.

Biden appealed a court ruling.

LAWFARE!

Federal appeals court blocks part of Biden's student debt relief plan

In a ruling Thursday, the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals granted a motion for an administrative stay filed by a group of Republican-led states seeking to invalidate the administration's entire student loan forgiveness program.

www.pbs.org

 

[Nostra]

Your unwitting admission he continues to engage in endless lawfare to escape accountability for his crimes is accepted.

Biden fighting in court per the Constitution.

LAWFARE!

US appeals court rejects Biden effort to protect 'Dreamer' immigrants

Judges largely uphold 2023 decision that found regulation aimed at strengthening DACA program did not remedy its legal deficiencies, but they limited scope of the ruling to Texas

www.voanews.com

 

[Lesh]

Not how Article 2 stipulates impoundments or rescissions:

Impoundment of Appropiated Funds

, of the U.S. Constitution: Analysis and Interpretation

law.justia.com

“Policy” impoundments were to be reported to Congress by the President as permanent rescissions and, perhaps, as temporary deferrals.721 Rescissions are merely recommendations or proposals of the President and must be authorized by a bill or joint resolution, or, after 45 days from the presidential message, the funds must be made available for obligation.722 Temporary deferrals of budget authority for less than a full fiscal year, as provided in the 1974 law, were to be effective unless either the House of Representatives or the Senate passed a resolution of disapproval.723 With the decision in INS v. Chadha,724 voiding as unconstitutional the one-House legislative veto, it was evident that the veto provision in the deferral section of the Impoundment Control Act was no longer viable. An Administration effort to utilize the section, minus the veto device, was thwarted by court action, in which, applying established sever-ability analysis, the court held that Congress would not have enacted the deferral provision in the absence of power to police its exercise through the veto.725 Thus, the entire deferral section was inoperative. Congress, in 1987, enacted a more restricted authority, limited to deferrals only for those purposes set out in the Anti-Deficiency Act

The Courts held that thee were two types of Impoundments .

Policy and “routine”

Policy impoundments require Congressional approval or become void after 45 days

Routine impoundments refer to things like withholding funds for a ship that has already become obsolete. They would require Congress to vote to stop them.

This is clearly dealing with POLICY. And amounts to an illegal line item veto

 

[berg80]

Nope. Not what I said. I said that the 34 bullshit/Lawfare "felonies" will be overturned on appeal.

I see. So when members of the justice system follow all the applicable processes to enforce the law against trump it's lawfare. Meaning every case ever made against a guilty person is also lawfare. Meaning Hunter Biden is the victim of lawfare. Got it.

 

[kyzr]

The Courts held that thee were two types of Impoundments .
Policy and “routine”
Policy impoundments require Congressional approval or become void after 45 days
Routine impoundments refer to things like withholding funds for a ship that has already become obsolete. They would require Congress to vote to stop them.
This is clearly dealing with POLICY. And amounts to an illegal line item veto

There is wiggle room in describing "waste and fraud" in those definitions.

For example, USAID has a budget but no line items, so the president chooses priorities.

Should a 150 year old still get SS checks?

Should the Pentagon still develop battery powered tanks? Etc.

The courts may play a role in the final decisions.

 

[Lesh]

There is wiggle room in describing "waste and fraud" in those definitions.

For example, USAID has a budget but no line items, so the president chooses priorities.

Should a 150 year old still get SS checks?

Should the Pentagon still develop battery powered tanks? Etc.

The courts may play a role in the final decisions.

Should a 150 year old get a SS check?

Of course not but if that happens deal with THAT. Musk’s little dweebs found only 4,000 cases of people receiving benefits that shouldn’t.

Don’t attack the entire system. Deal with the actual issues

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Good OP.

Trump has done better than Nixon so far.

 

[kyzr]

Should a 150 year old get a SS check?
Of course not but if that happens deal with THAT. Musk’s little dweebs found only 4,000 cases of people receiving benefits that shouldn’t.
Don’t attack the entire system. Deal with the actual issues

We agree. Ineligible people shouldn't get checks either.
There are MANY duplicate people/numbers to sort out, and many dead people still getting benefits.

 

[Kondor3]

Since he returned to office, Donald Trump and his allies have used a series of illegal tactics to withhold federal funding and strangle administrative agencies. The administration has tried to freeze federal funding with an agency memorandum, turned over control of the government’s payments systems to an unelected and unaccountable actor in Elon Musk, and withheld appropriations from the US Agency for International Development (USAID). Reportedly, the administration is also preparing an executive order to dismantle the Department of Education in the coming weeks.

Trump’s actions are stunning, but they’re not entirely unprecedented. Richard Nixon used a similar strategy in an attempt to unilaterally shut down the Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO), the federal agency created under President Lyndon Johnson to implement the War on Poverty. Mobilization by unionized federal workers and the courts eventually put an end to Nixon’s efforts. This history highlights how opponents of Trump’s power grab can potentially fight back—and protect one of the most sacrosanct principles embedded in the Constitution.

The Playbook for Stopping Trump From Shuttering Agencies

Presidents can't shutter an agency Congress created by statute. Only Congress has this power.

time.com

Dems need to be clear in their messaging (something they are terrible at) when it comes to opposing trump's total government takeover. Especially how Don is using the fraud and abuse tag line to cover for his greater ambitions. They run the risk of being pigeon holed as the party trying to block efforts to reduce the deficit. When in reality it is more accurate to say the objection they are raising has more to do with the illegal way trump is going about it.

Over the weekend trump as much as admitted he is breaking laws to meet his objectives. Rationalizing it by claiming he should be allowed to break laws if, in his opinion, it's for the good of the country. Following a pattern of open admissions he believes he should possess autocratic power.

In so doing, vindicating what some of us have been predicting would happen. Not that it required any great insight. He's been telegraphing it for years. Previously, those efforts have entailed probing for and exploiting weaknesses in our democracy in ways that had never been contemplated. Our defenses having been oriented to repel foreign enemies, not internal ones. The enemy is now, as the saying goes, inside the gate. The next 4 years will be a test of our fortitude to fight against it.

And you're pinning your hopes this time - fifty years later - on the Courts and the Unions? Good luck with that.

 

[Thinker101]

Since he returned to office, Donald Trump and his allies have used a series of illegal tactics to withhold federal funding and strangle administrative agencies. The administration has tried to freeze federal funding with an agency memorandum, turned over control of the government’s payments systems to an unelected and unaccountable actor in Elon Musk, and withheld appropriations from the US Agency for International Development (USAID). Reportedly, the administration is also preparing an executive order to dismantle the Department of Education in the coming weeks.

Trump’s actions are stunning, but they’re not entirely unprecedented. Richard Nixon used a similar strategy in an attempt to unilaterally shut down the Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO), the federal agency created under President Lyndon Johnson to implement the War on Poverty. Mobilization by unionized federal workers and the courts eventually put an end to Nixon’s efforts. This history highlights how opponents of Trump’s power grab can potentially fight back—and protect one of the most sacrosanct principles embedded in the Constitution.

The Playbook for Stopping Trump From Shuttering Agencies

Presidents can't shutter an agency Congress created by statute. Only Congress has this power.

time.com

Dems need to be clear in their messaging (something they are terrible at) when it comes to opposing trump's total government takeover. Especially how Don is using the fraud and abuse tag line to cover for his greater ambitions. They run the risk of being pigeon holed as the party trying to block efforts to reduce the deficit. When in reality it is more accurate to say the objection they are raising has more to do with the illegal way trump is going about it.

Over the weekend trump as much as admitted he is breaking laws to meet his objectives. Rationalizing it by claiming he should be allowed to break laws if, in his opinion, it's for the good of the country. Following a pattern of open admissions he believes he should possess autocratic power.

In so doing, vindicating what some of us have been predicting would happen. Not that it required any great insight. He's been telegraphing it for years. Previously, those efforts have entailed probing for and exploiting weaknesses in our democracy in ways that had never been contemplated. Our defenses having been oriented to repel foreign enemies, not internal ones. The enemy is now, as the saying goes, inside the gate. The next 4 years will be a test of our fortitude to fight against it.

Idiot!!!