Trump Imitates Chinese Communist Party

[BULLDOG]

Whenever a member throws out the informal fallacy of telling others who they think and feel?

That person is out of reasonable debate points.

. . . I don't know why I sometimes expect better of you.

Your previous opposition is just history. Maga cult responses in this thread shows willingness to accept anything trump wants.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nope. TRHey were literally the Gvt Nationalization of the industry - We took over day to day operations.

Well, he hasn't proposed nationalization of any company or industry, so you're getting some real bad info.

Temporarily.

 

[BULLDOG]

attacking the messenger while ignoring the message is a tactic that no longer works,,

Ok. He's full of shit too.

 

[progressive hunter]

Ok. He's full of shit too.

your desperation tells me all I need to know

 

[MisterBeale]

Your previous opposition is just history.

Go on then, prove it.

Maga cult responses in this thread shows willingness to accept anything trump wants.

I'm sorry you perceive reality that way.

But I have always been consistent.

I oppose government interference in markets, whether it is your somewhat disingenuous characterization of the government now wanting to prop up the steel industry, or when it was it was the government wanting to prop up the banks and auto industry under Obama.

No difference.

My position has always been the same, it matters very little who the president is, the policy of the government will remain the same.


TBH? You are probably projecting b/c you have never been one that has a lot of integrity. For you? You endorsed this sort of thing when Obama does it, but when Trump does it?

The auto bailouts worked. You're pathetic, and trying to blame Obama for all your imagined troubles is proof.

There would be no American auto industry without the bailouts.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Whenever bulldog is faced with information not covered on MSLSD or CNN, it just HAS to be a conspiracy theory or satire.



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[Nostra]

During WW1 was an emergency. This is not.

Not the only time it happened, moron.

Your thread blew up in your scumbag face.

Stick to shitting in dead kids. You are good at that, Scumbag.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Not the same type of situation. Even a maga cult member should be able to see that.

/——/ Obozo told GM to kill Oldsmobile and Pontiac. They also wanted them to kill GMC trucks but GM fought that one.

 

[BULLDOG]

Go on then, prove it.

I'm sorry you perceive reality that way.

But I have always been consistent.

I oppose government interference in markets, whether it is your somewhat disingenuous characterization of the government now wanting to prop up the steel industry, or when it was it was the government wanting to prop up the banks and auto industry under Obama.

No difference.

My position has always been the same, it matters very little who the president is, the policy of the government will remain the same.


TBH? You are probably projecting b/c you have never been one that has a lot of integrity. For you? You endorsed this sort of thing when Obama does it, but when Trump does it?

Fair enough, even though right wingers historically preferred free trade over the government having a financial stake in private industry. So to maintain your consistency, can we assume you oppose trump's hope for the Us to own much of chip manufacturer on a consistent basis?

 

[Orangecat]

So when have we nationalized a company before?

Try reading my comment and responding to what I actually said, moron.

 

[berg80]

Obozo told GM to kill Oldsmobile and Pontiac.

That's Obama to you, pissant. Prove it.

 

[berg80]

Trump tells Goldman Sachs CEO David Solomon to replace bank’s economist over tariff predictions​

President Donald Trump on Tuesday said Goldman Sachs CEO David Solomon should either replace the bank’s economist or “just focus on being a DJ,” days after Goldman’s chief economist warned that American consumers will pay for an increasing share of new tariffs.

Trump’s broadside against Solomon — who moonlights as a DJ — came as the president touted what he called “massive” revenue being collected by the federal government due to his tariff policies.

“Tariffs have not caused Inflation, or any other problems for America, other than massive amounts of CASH pouring into our Treasury’s coffers,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/12/trump-solomon-goldman-sachs-economist-tariffs.html

Aside from the fact that it's none of Dotard's effing business who Goldman's economist is, it is astonishing that he still does not understand who pays for tariffs.

 

[Cellblock2429]

That's Obama to you, pissant. Prove it.

/——/ It’s Obozo to normal people. I know because I’m a car guy and my family bought Pontiacs and Olds for decades. Now do your own research and prove me wrong.

 

[MisterBeale]

Fair enough, even though right wingers historically preferred free trade over the government having a financial stake in private industry. So to maintain your consistency, can we assume you oppose trump's hope for the Us to own much of chip manufacturer on a consistent basis?

This is a very complex issue.

On principle, yes.

(We should add the caveat, that these should be sourced from nations we know will always be free, who share our values, and are friendly to the U.S . . . . . )

With that said, those foreign nations which have different environmental and labor regulations who seek to compete with us, in what I believe is an unfair way, clearly make domestic production more costly.

Some commodities and resources are necessary for the security of the nation. Food, energy, pharmaceuticals, and yes, high tech items.

The economic history of petroleum is a good example of this. Right after WWII, the U.S. recognized the need to have a dominant and strong domestic oil sector, both to secure our economic growth, and ensure our ability to fight wars.

So, was the production and subsidizing of that sector a good idea, or a bad idea? I suppose it depends on if you believe economic growth and security are a national priority.


Ideally, our trade should be dependent on whether other nations respect their workers and their environment as much as Americans, but the reality is, they don't.

. . . . and our politicians, at least since Nixon opened up China? Morally and ethically, have no problem taking advantage of poor people in other nations. It is like our rulers had no problem outsourcing our environmental and social degradation.

The process really took off with Clinton and that whole Chinagate/Campaign controversy. Even the left leaning/establishment supporting wiki admits the corruption.

1996 United States campaign finance controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

See this post for a complete breakdown.

https://www.usmessageboard.com/thre...sharing-tech-with-china.1076040/post-33443225

Thus, we can see, since both Nixon and Clinton were complicit in this destruction of the middle class, and the outsourcing of critical technology necessary for national security and domestic economic security . . . all for the profits of Wallstreet and the ruling oligarchs, I don't think the destruction of our domestic industries that were, and are, critical to national security and economic security, was a mistake.

As we can see here, after Chinagate and the subsequent fallout from those decisions, (i.e., the economic/technological selling out of America, is what MADE them America's biggest competitor.)

Gross domestic product (GDP) at current prices in China from 1985 to 2024 with forecasts until 2030​

China: GDP at current prices 1985-2030| Statista

The GDP of China grew by 5.0 percent in 2024 reaching around 18.7 trillion U.S. dollars.

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We see this obvious fallout from the transfer of all the technology.

Then came the COVID years. Powerful and well funded interests, along with politicians in all parties, realized that the chickens were coming home to roost. How do we know? Even Biden did not attempt repeal the Trump negotiated tariffs on China from his first term . . . . . .

Sep 2, 2015


. . . . why do you suppose Biden didn't try to get rid of those tariffs? Because, as I maintain, in matters of economics, and trade, there really is little difference which party is in charge, regardless of what our modern day partisan propaganda would have us believe.

The only thing that matters for the powerful folks that fund the parties, is who can achieve the national priorities in the most efficient and painless manner possible.



I really don't know WHAT the solution to this problem is, which clearly both parties have created.

Do I want us to rely on foreign nations for our supply of food, energy, consumer electronics, defense technology and pharmaceuticals? Obviously not.

With that said, I don't really know what the solution is to recreate those critical industries, and on-shore them here, or in our allies' nations who agree with our values and will trade on a level playing field. Regardless of what any individual republican or democrat believes, the ruling class of this nation, largely all agree it should be done. The big debate though, are Trump's unstable and erratic trade policies the best way to do that?

I can't say. I am neither a policy expert, nor a politician.

 

[Nostra]

all temporary to prevent our entire auto industry from going out of business. This is not.

Lies.

The industry did fine without bailouts. It was a bailout for their pension plans, and GM still went bankrupt after getting the most.

 

[Dorian Mode]

And yet another swing and a miss trying to generate a false narrative. By now the neo-leftist democraps are beyond pathetic in their desperation to "Get Trump!" They have a 19% approval rating for a reason, and this OP is part of it.

 

[Delldude]

So when have we nationalized a company before?

He's doing it under the Chips and Science Act signed into law by that evil socialist Joe Biden......

 

[dblack]

He's doing it under the Chips and Science Act signed into law by that evil socialist Joe Biden......

Two-party tag team.

 

[Mack The Finger]

All that was true until Trump’s meeting with Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan at the White House earlier this week where they discussed the real possibility of the US buying a stake in Intel.

How do you sleep at night...worrying about things that are never going to happen ???

Q: Why do LIBs saw the legs off thier beds ?

A: So Oranger Man Bad can't hide under it.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Until recently, the idea of the US nationalizing any business was a non starter. Nationalizing industry has always been looked on with disdain, and only the most wild eyed extreme fringe socialists would even consider something so foreign to our tried and true free market system.

BTW: No, Amtrak is not a private company. It's a for-profit corporation, but it's majority-owned by the U.S. federal government. The government appoints the majority of the board of directors and provides substantial subsidies to support its operations.