Trump encourages boycott of Harley Davidson.

[Dragonlady]

Lol, you are confused. You RWNJs are the authoritarians.

You're not a very good student. YOU leftys are the big govt, gun grabber, big regulation controllers.

You are so easily conned.

Lmao! So thoroughly brainwashed you are! You think last months exploding deficit is about small government?

The highest deficit in history.

The largest military budget in history.

A new “space force” - unfunded of course.

5000 new border patrol agents.

And they’re already talking about another round of tax cuts for billionaires.

Your conservatives in action.

 

[Rustic]

Reagan pulled Harley Davidson out of the fire and saved their asses. Now our President wants to help them and every other American company by eliminating unfair trade practices and Harley Davidson bails on him instead of hanging in until Trump gets a better deal (THAT WILL HELP HARLEY). **** Harley Davidson, I hope they go under for good this time. No more bailouts.

What do you think the tariffs are? Artificially raising the cost of imported steel so US steel companies can charge more.

That is the same effect as a bail out.

No companies should ever be bailed out no matter the reason, especially union controlled companies like GM

 

[Rustic]

Lol, you are confused. You RWNJs are the authoritarians.

You're not a very good student. YOU leftys are the big govt, gun grabber, big regulation controllers.

You are so easily conned.

Lmao! So thoroughly brainwashed you are! You think last months exploding deficit is about small government?

The highest deficit in history.

The largest military budget in history.

A new “space force” - unfunded of course.

5000 new border patrol agents.

And they’re already talking about another round of tax cuts for billionaires.

Your conservatives in action.

It does not matter, Socialist entitlement programs have already made the country’s debt far too large to be ever paid back...

 

[protectionist]

I am not trying tyo portray Obama as anything.,

I am calling you a lying POS for blaming Obama for the effects of the Bush recesion.

You, being the dishonest POS called the Bush recession a "low dip".

Really. The worst recession in 80 ******* years is just a "low dip" combined with unfunded tax cuts, unfunded massive expansion of Medicare, two unfunded quagmire wars, a near financial meltdown & a housing collapse.

Falsely pumping up the economy by borrowing hugh amounts of money will certainly fool dumbasses like you.

And I'm calling YOU "a lying POS" for moronically trying to blame me for blaming Obama for the effects of the Bush recession. As I already explained to your dense brain, I blame Obama for his lousy GDPs in 2105 and 2016, after the recoil effects of the 2008 recession wore off.

I also know nothing of me calling that recession anything, nor am I a fan of the illegal alien ass-kisser, and Muslim ass-kisser, Bush 43. Have you been dreaming ?

Are you able to do anything other than post up strawmen, and attack them ? Let us know when you've got something legitimate to post.

And yes, you did try to portray Obama as a savvy economist. You did that when you tried to give him credit for the economy improving during his first 6 years (as you said >> "Obama greatly improved our economy since he took office". But as I explained (some people have to be told twice, or more), those improvements were merely natural recoil reactions of an economy after a severe recession,, which Obama just happened to be POTUS at that time. And when it got to be him on hos own, to handle the economy (in his last 2 years) he muffed it. GOT IT NOW ?

 

[Dragonlady]

Lol, you are confused. You RWNJs are the authoritarians.

You're not a very good student. YOU leftys are the big govt, gun grabber, big regulation controllers.

You are so easily conned.

Lmao! So thoroughly brainwashed you are! You think last months exploding deficit is about small government?

The highest deficit in history.

The largest military budget in history.

A new “space force” - unfunded of course.

5000 new border patrol agents.

And they’re already talking about another round of tax cuts for billionaires.

Your conservatives in action.

It does not matter, Socialist entitlement programs have already made the country’s debt far too large to be ever paid back...

It’s not the social safety net that’s dragging your country down economically, it’s the military industrial complex, and 18 years of unfunded wars and aggression.

Imagine where the US would if the trillions of dollars spent on the wars and the military had been invested in infrastructure and education.

Entitlement programs are self funding. People paid into Medicare and Social Security all of their lives. That’s why people are “entitled” to the benefits. You’re confusing entitlement programs with social safety net programs. Food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare are not “entitlement programs”.

Every world conquerer had ultimately laid low by the cost of maintaining a huge standing army, starting with the Roman Empire. The US is not only going right down that road, unchecked, they’re speeding up the journey.

Oh, and unlike you, the Romans realized that to keep their citizens from turning against them, they needed to be kept well fed and distracted from their daily misery. Every Roman was given a measure of wheat, and free entertainments at the Coliseum. Hence the term “bread and circuses”.

The Roman Empire lasted 400 years. The American Empire began after WWII, and is already in decline. Less than 70 years.

 

[protectionist]

Because it will reduce their exports to the US as US consumers would be paying more.

You don't know shit about economics.
Want to know how ******* dumb you are? You claim consumers won't pay the tariffs but US corporations will. How the **** is THAT good for America you stupid ****.

Idiot! US consumers will NOT be paying more, you hoodwinked stooge. WHat is your idea of what makes a PRICE ? Somebody's lucky number ? Somebody's birthday? If the firm could have a higher price to create more income, it would ALREADY HAVE HAD that higher price. Or is that too much for you to fathom ?

And it looks like you're dreaming again. At no time did I say US corporations would pay the Trump tariffs. Of course those are the burden of the foreign exporters. Maybe you need to see a doctor.

 

[Rustic]

Lol, you are confused. You RWNJs are the authoritarians.

You're not a very good student. YOU leftys are the big govt, gun grabber, big regulation controllers.

You are so easily conned.

Lmao! So thoroughly brainwashed you are! You think last months exploding deficit is about small government?

The highest deficit in history.

The largest military budget in history.

A new “space force” - unfunded of course.

5000 new border patrol agents.

And they’re already talking about another round of tax cuts for billionaires.

Your conservatives in action.

It does not matter, Socialist entitlement programs have already made the country’s debt far too large to be ever paid back...

It’s not the social safety net that’s dragging your country down economically, it’s the military industrial complex, and 18 years of unfunded wars and aggression.

Imagine where the US would if the trillions of dollars spent on the wars and the military had been invested in infrastructure and education.

Entitlement programs are self funding. People paid into Medicare and Social Security all of their lives. That’s why people are “entitled” to the benefits. You’re confusing entitlement programs with social safety net programs. Food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare are not “entitlement programs”.

Every world conquerer had ultimately laid low by the cost of maintaining a huge standing army, starting with the Roman Empire. The US is not only going right down that road, unchecked, they’re speeding up the journey.

Oh, and unlike you, the Romans realized that to keep their citizens from turning against them, they needed to be kept well fed and distracted from their daily misery. Every Roman was given a measure of wheat, and free entertainments at the Coliseum. Hence the term “bread and circuses”.

The Roman Empire lasted 400 years. The American Empire began after WWII, and is already in decline. Less than 70 years.

You don’t understand, this county’s debt is more than 225 trillion... SS and Medicare are unfunded liabilities, more people are taking more out and less people are putting less in. So yes they are socialist entitlement programs and they dorf all other spending

 

[protectionist]

Still pushing that load of crap.

Companies willr aise prices if they can not find equally costed replacements. This WILL like;y reduce sales and trigger layoffs.

Wrong, they won't raise prices because if they did, AS YOU SAID YOURSELF, lol, that would reduce sales. That's WHY the can't raise the prices. Duh!

And then you say this would trigger layoffs. OMG. Layoffs also cannot occur for the same reason. The firm already has the correct number of employees to make it the most money. And change to that number triggers sales reductions.

I don't recall ever talking to so much economic foolishness.

 

[protectionist]

Lmao! So thoroughly brainwashed you are! You think last months exploding deficit is about small government?

I don't use a "month" with which to look at deficits, do you ?

 

[Thinker101]

Lol, you are confused. You RWNJs are the authoritarians.

You're not a very good student. YOU leftys are the big govt, gun grabber, big regulation controllers.

You are so easily conned.

Lmao! So thoroughly brainwashed you are! You think last months exploding deficit is about small government?

The highest deficit in history.

The largest military budget in history.

A new “space force” - unfunded of course.

5000 new border patrol agents.

And they’re already talking about another round of tax cuts for billionaires.

Your conservatives in action.

It does not matter, Socialist entitlement programs have already made the country’s debt far too large to be ever paid back...

It’s not the social safety net that’s dragging your country down economically, it’s the military industrial complex, and 18 years of unfunded wars and aggression.

Imagine where the US would if the trillions of dollars spent on the wars and the military had been invested in infrastructure and education.

Entitlement programs are self funding. People paid into Medicare and Social Security all of their lives. That’s why people are “entitled” to the benefits. You’re confusing entitlement programs with social safety net programs. Food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare are not “entitlement programs”.

Every world conquerer had ultimately laid low by the cost of maintaining a huge standing army, starting with the Roman Empire. The US is not only going right down that road, unchecked, they’re speeding up the journey.

Oh, and unlike you, the Romans realized that to keep their citizens from turning against them, they needed to be kept well fed and distracted from their daily misery. Every Roman was given a measure of wheat, and free entertainments at the Coliseum. Hence the term “bread and circuses”.

The Roman Empire lasted 400 years. The American Empire began after WWII, and is already in decline. Less than 70 years.

Yes indeed, you can thank Obama for that.

 

[Skylar]

First Trump puts tariffs on certain countries for Steel & Aluminum. It raises Harley Davidson's manufacturing costs. They make the decision to move production overseas for their non domestic sales.

Now he is putting the Presidential seal on a boycott.

To punish a US company for something Trump basically forced them to do.

So whose motorcycles will these boycotters buy? Honda? Some imported bike?

Remember when Republicans used to give empty lip service to thinks like 'free trade' and 'getting government out of business'?

But then, they used to give empty lip service to things like 'family values', 'transparent government' and 'fiscal responsibility.'

 

[protectionist]

The highest deficit in history.

The largest military budget in history.

A new “space force” - unfunded of course.

5000 new border patrol agents.

And they’re already talking about another round of tax cuts for billionaires.

Your conservatives in action.

And the economy bursting at the seams providing Billions in new revenue + more new revenue from tariffs + eliminating the losses from illegal aliens' remittances, welfare, crime, education, EMTALA, and other govt waste costs.

Yup. Conservatives in action.

 

[protectionist]

It’s not the social safety net that’s dragging your country down economically, it’s the military industrial complex, and 18 years of unfunded wars and aggression.

Imagine where the US would if the trillions of dollars spent on the wars and the military had been invested in infrastructure and education.

Entitlement programs are self funding. People paid into Medicare and Social Security all of their lives. That’s why people are “entitled” to the benefits. You’re confusing entitlement programs with social safety net programs. Food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare are not “entitlement programs”.

Every world conquerer had ultimately laid low by the cost of maintaining a huge standing army, starting with the Roman Empire. The US is not only going right down that road, unchecked, they’re speeding up the journey.

Oh, and unlike you, the Romans realized that to keep their citizens from turning against them, they needed to be kept well fed and distracted from their daily misery. Every Roman was given a measure of wheat, and free entertainments at the Coliseum. Hence the term “bread and circuses”.

The Roman Empire lasted 400 years. The American Empire began after WWII, and is already in decline. Less than 70 years.

After World War II, America became the VICTIM of "Empire" (aka imperialism). The imperialism today is $138 Billion/year being pillaged out of our economy, by imperialist countries remittances (Mexico # 1) + them occupying us with millions of their people, and more Billions spent on them in welfare.

Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2016

As for the military budget, in 1941, the US got caught napping with a waaay too small military budget. It took a few years to catch up DURING World War II. You want to let that happen again ? I don't.

 

[RealDave]

The highest deficit in history.

The largest military budget in history.

A new “space force” - unfunded of course.

5000 new border patrol agents.

And they’re already talking about another round of tax cuts for billionaires.

Your conservatives in action.

And the economy bursting at the seams providing Billions in new revenue + more new revenue from tariffs + eliminating the losses from illegal aliens' remittances, welfare, crime, education, EMTALA, and other govt waste costs.

Yup. Conservatives in action.

And we are still increasing the deficit.
Illegals paid taxes, dumbfuck - more than what we can say about Trump.

 

[RealDave]

It’s not the social safety net that’s dragging your country down economically, it’s the military industrial complex, and 18 years of unfunded wars and aggression.

Imagine where the US would if the trillions of dollars spent on the wars and the military had been invested in infrastructure and education.

Entitlement programs are self funding. People paid into Medicare and Social Security all of their lives. That’s why people are “entitled” to the benefits. You’re confusing entitlement programs with social safety net programs. Food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare are not “entitlement programs”.

Every world conquerer had ultimately laid low by the cost of maintaining a huge standing army, starting with the Roman Empire. The US is not only going right down that road, unchecked, they’re speeding up the journey.

Oh, and unlike you, the Romans realized that to keep their citizens from turning against them, they needed to be kept well fed and distracted from their daily misery. Every Roman was given a measure of wheat, and free entertainments at the Coliseum. Hence the term “bread and circuses”.

The Roman Empire lasted 400 years. The American Empire began after WWII, and is already in decline. Less than 70 years.

After World War II, America became the VICTIM of "Empire" (aka imperialism). The imperialism today is $138 Billion/year being pillaged out of our economy, by imperialist countries remittances (Mexico # 1) + them occupying us with millions of their people, and more Billions spent on them in welfare.

Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2016

As for the military budget, in 1941, the US got caught napping with a waaay too small military budget. It took a few years to catch up DURING World War II. You want to let that happen again ? I don't.

About we triple the budget? Evidently,. you think there is no ceiling.

 

[Dragonlady]

Because it will reduce their exports to the US as US consumers would be paying more.

You don't know shit about economics.
Want to know how ******* dumb you are? You claim consumers won't pay the tariffs but US corporations will. How the **** is THAT good for America you stupid ****.

Idiot! US consumers will NOT be paying more, you hoodwinked stooge. WHat is your idea of what makes a PRICE ? Somebody's lucky number ? Somebody's birthday? If the firm could have a higher price to create more income, it would ALREADY HAVE HAD that higher price. Or is that too much for you to fathom ?

And it looks like you're dreaming again. At no time did I say US corporations would pay the Trump tariffs. Of course those are the burden of the foreign exporters. Maybe you need to see a doctor.

Maybe you need to take an economics class. Maybe then you’d stop embarrassing yourself.

Who Pays Tariffs Anyway?

Customs duties in the United States - Wikipedia

“The duty (tariff) is paid at the time of import by the importer of record”.

https://www.quora.com/When-a-tariff-is-imposed-who-pays

 

[RealDave]

Reagan pulled Harley Davidson out of the fire and saved their asses. Now our President wants to help them and every other American company by eliminating unfair trade practices and Harley Davidson bails on him instead of hanging in until Trump gets a better deal (THAT WILL HELP HARLEY). **** Harley Davidson, I hope they go under for good this time. No more bailouts.

What do you think the tariffs are? Artificially raising the cost of imported steel so US steel companies can charge more.

That is the same effect as a bail out.

No companies should ever be bailed out no matter the reason, especially union controlled companies like GM

So, we should let a recession fueled by stupid politicians allow us to lose great corporations.

How many family farms should we allow to go under because of your asshole buddy's tariffs?

 

[Dragonlady]

The highest deficit in history.

The largest military budget in history.

A new “space force” - unfunded of course.

5000 new border patrol agents.

And they’re already talking about another round of tax cuts for billionaires.

Your conservatives in action.

And the economy bursting at the seams providing Billions in new revenue + more new revenue from tariffs + eliminating the losses from illegal aliens' remittances, welfare, crime, education, EMTALA, and other govt waste costs.

Yup. Conservatives in action.

Hey, Mr. Economics Professor, again your ignorance on economic matters is showing. Revenues are declining.

U.S. Federal Budget Gap Widens as Fiscal Income Declines

That’s why your deficit is rising so fast.

 

[RealDave]

Still pushing that load of crap.

Companies willr aise prices if they can not find equally costed replacements. This WILL like;y reduce sales and trigger layoffs.

Wrong, they won't raise prices because if they did, AS YOU SAID YOURSELF, lol, that would reduce sales. That's WHY the can't raise the prices. Duh!

And then you say this would trigger layoffs. OMG. Layoffs also cannot occur for the same reason. The firm already has the correct number of employees to make it the most money. And change to that number triggers sales reductions.

I don't recall ever talking to so much economic foolishness.

So, according to you, companies can absorb all rising raw material costs. "We lose a little on every sale but make up for it with volume."

 

[Dragonlady]

Reagan pulled Harley Davidson out of the fire and saved their asses. Now our President wants to help them and every other American company by eliminating unfair trade practices and Harley Davidson bails on him instead of hanging in until Trump gets a better deal (THAT WILL HELP HARLEY). **** Harley Davidson, I hope they go under for good this time. No more bailouts.

What do you think the tariffs are? Artificially raising the cost of imported steel so US steel companies can charge more.

That is the same effect as a bail out.

No companies should ever be bailed out no matter the reason, especially union controlled companies like GM

Unions don’t control companies. That’s a right wing fallacy. Unions protect workers from employer abuses and unsafe working conditions. The rise of the American middle class began with the wages and benefits negotiated by the unions.

The decline in the real wages and benefits for working and middle class began when Reagan attacked and destroyed the air traffic controllers union and declared war on all unions.

Should the government pick winners and losers? No. The market should. That being said, the total collapse of the US banking, insurance and auto sectors would have had far reaching implications, and likely have lead to the total collapse of the US economy, given the other forces at work at the time.

General Motors decline had to do with poor design and bad management decisions. Their cars weren’t selling. That had nothing to do with the unions. My husband and I got excited when they brought the Camero back. Before we were married, I owned a black Camero and my husband owned a white Trans Am. We loved those cars. The new Cameros were ugly, uncomfortable and expensive. We bought a Subaru instead.