Trump authorizes CIA operations in Venezuela

So to you it's a good thing that Americans die from cartel drugs if they are democrats?

Btw, more Americans die from prescription drugs than from the recreational drugs imported by all the Cartels from the entire world.

Trump is like Duterte in ordering these extrajudicial killings.

I think it's good that nature takes its course on stupid, irresponsible people.

Like druggies.
 
I think it's good that nature takes its course on stupid, irresponsible people.

Like druggies.
I think your first sentence applies to most all grouping of people we have in the world, not just those in your second.
 
If this becomes an oil grab, then I'll oppose it.
But remember, Iraq was supposed to be all about oil? But we never got that oil. Iraq and their new government got it.
 
I think your first sentence applies to most all grouping of people we have in the world, not just those in your second.

I don't GAF what you or anyone else thinks. I'm politically independent of the retards on both sides. I can't stand Trump anymore than Biden/Harris, for many of the same reasons.

The RINO's overtook the NEOCONS. I didn't like the neocons anymore than I like the RINOs (Trump, Johnson, Thune and 99% of the GOP now.
And the radical progressives that overtook the liberals. They're destroying the democratic party with all their woke, anti-ICE & LEO's BS. All that support for scumbags like George Floyd, BLM and that LGBT BS. .

Oh but the loyalist on both sides will swear up and down that their side is better.
All the while, when the camera's are off, there's not an ounce of difference between the two.
 
What would be your plan to end illegal drugs? I think killing drug cartels that try to bring drugs into this country to distribute is just fine with me. Light em up. But then again, our govt doesn't have a good track record on trying to end drugs.

To be honest, I don't know. I don't know what would work.

More technology to find planes and ships smuggling? Better searches of people entering the country? It's a tough one.

Or you could crack down on drug dealers and the like, have more police dedicated to dealing with it.

Or try and get rid of the ghettos, get rid of the reasons to be a drug dealer in the first place.

Unless you got full in, none of them will work.
 
Not the point.

True that. It wasn't. But VE does have a cartel problem. And it's bigger than their government. If Trump send our military into the country to just go after the cartels, it's only going to help the people of VE and it's government.
Just like it's helping the decent folks in Chicago, Portland and Memphis.
 
True that. It wasn't. But VE does have a cartel problem. And it's bigger than their government. If Trump send our military into the country to just go after the cartels, it's only going to help the people of VE and it's government.
Just like it's helping the decent folks in Chicago, Portland and Memphis.
Surely you realize just how remote that possibility is.
 
What would be your plan to end illegal drugs? I think killing drug cartels that try to bring drugs into this country to distribute is just fine with me. Light em up. But then again, our govt doesn't have a good track record on trying to end drugs.
 
To be honest, I don't know. I don't know what would work.

More technology to find planes and ships smuggling? Better searches of people entering the country? It's a tough one.

Or you could crack down on drug dealers and the like, have more police dedicated to dealing with it.

Or try and get rid of the ghettos, get rid of the reasons to be a drug dealer in the first place.

Unless you got full in, none of them will work.
I do not know if the poor will ever be gone. I do believe there should be less of them though with more people living comfortable lives. So that means changes in the system we have is warranted. Politicians may like it the way it is now.
 
BREAKING: Colombian President Gustavo Petro EXPOSES Donald Trump for murdering a "lifelong fisherman" with his Caribbean strikes — adding that Americans are not his "enemies" and the "problem is with Trump" who does not "understand" the "concept of humanity."
And he was just getting started with his fiery takedown...
"The boat attacked on September 16 was Colombian, had an engine on top as a sign of damage and was turned off, presumably it was in Colombian waters, who was there was a lifelong fisherman: Alejandro Carranza, who has not returned to his home," Petro wrote on X.
"Alert to the Attorney General of the Nation. I request that you act immediately. Grant immediate protection to the victim families and associate them, if they wish, with the victims of Trinidad and Tobago to initiate legal actions in the world and in the justice system of the United States," he added.
Trump has been carrying out a string of homicidal military strikes on boats in the Caribbean and claims that the victims were all narcotraffickers. He has provided no evidence for these claims. Even if they were drug smugglers — which seems increasingly unlikely –– they should have been arrested and tried in a court of law.
"US government officials have committed a murder and violated our sovereignty in territorial waters Fisherman Alejandro Carranza had no ties to the drug trade and his daily activity was fishing," Petro wrote in a followup post. "The Colombian boat was adrift and had its distress signal up due to an engine failure. We await explanations from the US government."
"Why, I wonder, doesn't a national news outlet care that a U.S. missile has killed a humble fisherman from Colombia in Santa Marta," Petro wrote in another post. "The USA destroyed a family of fishermen in the city that will host the summit of Latin America and Europe. The USA has invaded national territory with a missile fired to kill a humble fisherman, has destroyed his family, his children. This is the homeland of Bolívar and they are murdering his children with bombs. The USA offended the national territory of Colombia and killed an honest, hardworking Colombian. !Let the sword of Bolívar be raised.!"
In another X post, the Colombian president wrote that he respects the "history, culture, and people of the USA" and that Americans are not his "enemies."
"The problem is with Trump, not with the USA," he added. "Simply put, Trump does not understand how millions of young Americans could go fight for what seemed like a foreign cause: the war in Europe. Many fought and died there, those young people knew why they were fighting. They fought for humanity. The concept of humanity, Trump does not understand it."
Investigative reporter Seth Harp, author of the "The Fort Bragg Cartel" has been following these strikes closely and explained on X why it will prove hard for the Trump administration to hide what it's doing with these attacks.
"I've been talking about JSOC's wildly errant targeting for years, and predicting that if they ever did strikes in Latin America, we would be inundated with incontrovertible proof that US intel is dogsh*t, and these people have no idea whom they are killing," wrote Harp.
"Offensive US military ops are, by and large, random terrorism, but the 'surgical strike' myth persisted in Iraq, Afghanistan, & Syria because of linguistic barriers and the absence of credible governments there," he added in another post. "By contrast, 1/4 of Americans can read this and judge for themselves."
At this point, there is absolutely no reason to believe a word that comes out of Donald Trump's mouth. He's a pathological liar with the morality of a sociopath using the U.S. military to wage a murderous terror campaign. These strikes are designed to excite his MAGA base by projecting a strongman persona, while simultaneously driving us towards a new war to benefit the industrial complex and Big Oil.
We will not fall for the lies.
 
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I love the idea of ending the drug cartels. Regardless of how they do it. The cartels are already sending out warnings to the US government about retaliations.
I hope they want a war, because we have the ability to take out enough of the cartels that they'll stop doing business with the US. (for the most part)


Trump authorizes CIA operations in Venezuela​


Regardless of how they do it? So if they do it and it leads to WW3 that would be cool with you? And you don't care what laws Trump breaks trying it?

Do you get the sense this isn't about drugs? Venezuela doesn't make cocaine. So are we going to war with Colombia, Peru, and Bolivia next? You Republicans are so easily lied into wars. You know this is about regime change. I thought you guys were done doing that stuff?

The Kentucky Republican said on "Meet the Press" that if Trump wants to go to war with Venezuela, Congress needs to vote on a declaration of war.

Paul argued that when the U.S. kills someone, “you really need to know someone’s name, at least, you have to accuse them of something.”


“You have to present evidence,” Paul said. “So all these people have been blown up without us knowing their name, without any evidence of a crime.”

Paul’s criticism comes as the U.S. has targeted at least five boats that the administration says it believes are connected to Venezuelan drug cartels. NBC News has reported that lawmakers have been growing increasingly concerned about a lack of information about the intelligence and strategy behind the Trump administration’s decision to strike the boats.

“If our policy now is to blow up every ship we suspect or accuse of drug running, that would be a bizarre world in which 25% of the people might be innocent,” Paul argued.

 
Regardless of how they do it? So if they do it and it leads to WW3 that would be cool

I stopped reading ^^^^^
Do you get the sense this isn't about drugs? Venezuela doesn't make cocaine. So are we going to war with Colombia, Peru, and Bolivia next? You Republicans are so easily lied into wars.

I gave it another shot, and you're calling me a Republican. You're just full of bullshit..... Not reading the rest.

Get it through your ******* skull. I'm not a Trump supporter. He leans too far left of center for me. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a democrat. You "political loyalist" are going to have buy some smaller brushes. Because this BS about "If you don't agree with me, then you must be ____________."
How come that ______________ is NEVER "politically independent."


You people who support the democrats, why TF do you hate Trump. He clearly leans left too.
 
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I stopped reading ^^^^^


I gave it another shot, and you're calling me a Republican. You're just full of bullshit..... Not reading the rest.

Get it through your ******* skull. I'm not a Trump supporter. He leans too far left of center for me. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a democrat. You "political loyalist" are going to have buy some smaller brushes. Because this BS about "If you don't agree with me, then you must be ____________."
How come that ______________ is NEVER "politically independent."


You people who support the democrats, why TF do you hate Trump. He clearly leans left too.
I stopped reading when you said you stopped reading. We're even. Glad you wasted your time typing whatever you wrote? I didn't read a word of it. LOL
 
Sure, Looks like an easy target, not a big war, just enough
to state..... “So if we happen to be in a war … no more elections?”

Dude's NOT joking.

Venezuela is a safe war target, China and Mexico are too dangerous.
Stephen Miller said it, trump can do anything he wants, including canceling elections.
This is all a set up to....... “So if we happen to be in a war … no more elections?”

This ^^^^^ is NOT a Joke.
Is this ^^^ what you voted for?
War with Venezuela is exactly what trump wants.


 
15th post
Winco himself has no opinion to post.
Jump into tis thread Robert.
Give us your opinion about trump wanting WAR with Venezuela.

trump just grabbed what he brags is the largest oil tanker ever seized off Venezuela and claims the US is keeping the ship and its crude, a brazen escalation that looks less like law enforcement and more like a president using military power to steal a foreign asset because he feels like it. The tanker was reportedly headed to Cuba to move Venezuelan oil into Asian markets, but the bigger story is that Washington is now casually treating other countries energy supplies as fair game without any real public debate. This is not careful statecraft, it is the US behaving like the rules do not apply when there is oil on the line.
Officials keep trying to launder this through the fentanyl panic and a fuzzy “narco trafficking” narrative, even though experts say Venezuela is not a major source of fentanyl and only a minor player in cocaine flows compared to Mexico and Colombia. That framing lets trump dress up an oil grab in the language of saving American kids from overdoses, while offering little concrete evidence about drugs on the vessels he is targeting. It turns a public health catastrophe into a prop for imperial theater, not a problem to solve.
Under the Constitution, Congress is supposed to declare war, yet this president is steadily normalizing unilateral military style seizures and strikes in the Caribbean that look and feel like acts of war, just without the vote. Legal scholars are warning that these operations sit on shaky ground under both US and international law, but Republican leaders have shown no interest in drawing a line. So trump keeps pushing the limits and getting away with it, expanding presidential power abroad while telling Americans it is just another bust in the endless drug war.
 
Jump into tis thread Robert.
Give us your opinion about trump wanting WAR with Venezuela.

trump just grabbed what he brags is the largest oil tanker ever seized off Venezuela and claims the US is keeping the ship and its crude, a brazen escalation that looks less like law enforcement and more like a president using military power to steal a foreign asset because he feels like it. The tanker was reportedly headed to Cuba to move Venezuelan oil into Asian markets, but the bigger story is that Washington is now casually treating other countries energy supplies as fair game without any real public debate. This is not careful statecraft, it is the US behaving like the rules do not apply when there is oil on the line.
Officials keep trying to launder this through the fentanyl panic and a fuzzy “narco trafficking” narrative, even though experts say Venezuela is not a major source of fentanyl and only a minor player in cocaine flows compared to Mexico and Colombia. That framing lets trump dress up an oil grab in the language of saving American kids from overdoses, while offering little concrete evidence about drugs on the vessels he is targeting. It turns a public health catastrophe into a prop for imperial theater, not a problem to solve.
Under the Constitution, Congress is supposed to declare war, yet this president is steadily normalizing unilateral military style seizures and strikes in the Caribbean that look and feel like acts of war, just without the vote. Legal scholars are warning that these operations sit on shaky ground under both US and international law, but Republican leaders have shown no interest in drawing a line. So trump keeps pushing the limits and getting away with it, expanding presidential power abroad while telling Americans it is just another bust in the endless drug war.
Where is the proof? Why no source?
 
Jump into tis thread Robert.
Give us your opinion about trump wanting WAR with Venezuela.

trump just grabbed what he brags is the largest oil tanker ever seized off Venezuela and claims the US is keeping the ship and its crude, a brazen escalation that looks less like law enforcement and more like a president using military power to steal a foreign asset because he feels like it. The tanker was reportedly headed to Cuba to move Venezuelan oil into Asian markets, but the bigger story is that Washington is now casually treating other countries energy supplies as fair game without any real public debate. This is not careful statecraft, it is the US behaving like the rules do not apply when there is oil on the line.
Officials keep trying to launder this through the fentanyl panic and a fuzzy “narco trafficking” narrative, even though experts say Venezuela is not a major source of fentanyl and only a minor player in cocaine flows compared to Mexico and Colombia. That framing lets trump dress up an oil grab in the language of saving American kids from overdoses, while offering little concrete evidence about drugs on the vessels he is targeting. It turns a public health catastrophe into a prop for imperial theater, not a problem to solve.
Under the Constitution, Congress is supposed to declare war, yet this president is steadily normalizing unilateral military style seizures and strikes in the Caribbean that look and feel like acts of war, just without the vote. Legal scholars are warning that these operations sit on shaky ground under both US and international law, but Republican leaders have shown no interest in drawing a line. So trump keeps pushing the limits and getting away with it, expanding presidential power abroad while telling Americans it is just another bust in the endless drug war.

lol

The vessel (the Skipper) was sanctioned. It shouldn't have been in the water at all.

The last thing we need is some leftist dickwad in our own back yard, who thinks he can thumb his nose at our laws and our policies
 

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