Torture is wrong and unAmerican, nothing but neo-con filth

[zeke]

I still have the right to say want I want, anti-government or not. Now if they listened then used that information against me that would be entirely different story.

That is some tortured logic right there. Why would the government be listening to you in the first place IF they were not contemplating using what you say against you?

And Freewill, call the White House and threaten the President. See how much "Free speech" you have then.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

I am in fact the Crown of Creation....it took the Big Bang and Billions of years of evolution to produce me ...and I am so very proud of myself... thank you OSOTU [ Operating System of the Universe]...alt-control-delete my enemies OSOTU...quarantine their viral toxicity in a non accessible storage unit where the anti virals can rehab the soft wear of their mistaken identities...

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in other words, you are a traitorous liberscumbag with the morals of a feral ******* tom cat.

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[Billo_Really]

and at what point should ISIS stop if it feels it can save its lives ?

ISIS is not going to stop until we stop funding them and providing material support to their organization through the Israeli's.

 

[zeke]

I am in fact the Crown of Creation....it took the Big Bang and Billions of years of evolution to produce me ...and I am so very proud of myself... thank you OSOTU [ Operating System of the Universe]...alt-control-delete my enemies OSOTU...quarantine their viral toxicity in a non accessible storage unit where the anti virals can rehab the soft wear of their mistaken identities...

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius the age of Aquarius, AQUARIUS

That was beautiful man. Funny as hell. Alt-control- delete- viral toxicity.

Where have you been? The cosmos?

 

[Billo_Really]

At what point on the 'torture' scale do you say we must stop, even though THAT might save American lives?

Neocons are not the American lives I prefer to save. I will if I have to, but I won't like doing it.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

and at what point should ISIS stop if it feels it can save its lives ?

ISIS is not going to stop until we stop funding them and providing material support to their organization through the Israeli's.

I do not understand we were OK with ISIS when they executed Gaddafi on film apparently we did not think that was barbarous....

 

[Billo_Really]

I couldn't agree more.

Waterboarding isn't torture as far as I'm concerned.

We need to do whatever it takes to save American lives if that includes waterboarding then waterboard away.

Freedom isn't free and I'm sure far worse occured during the revolutionary war and the civil war where prisoners were concerned.

WWI and WW II had their share of abuse and no one can tell me that the allies didn't do as bad or worse then the Natzi's in the pursuit of intelligence.

Waterboarding? A walk in the park compared to real torture.

If nothing else, you and your fucked up, dumbass, butt-buddy's, can serve as perfect examples of bad American's.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

I am in fact the Crown of Creation....it took the Big Bang and Billions of years of evolution to produce me ...and I am so very proud of myself... thank you OSOTU [ Operating System of the Universe]...alt-control-delete my enemies OSOTU...quarantine their viral toxicity in a non accessible storage unit where the anti virals can rehab the soft wear of their mistaken identities...

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius the age of Aquarius, AQUARIUS

That was beautiful man. Funny as hell. Alt-control- delete- viral toxicity.

Where have you been? The cosmos?

I was alive and I waited waited ...watching the world wake up from history...
Save us Jesus Jones

 

[Billo_Really]

I do not understand we were OK with ISIS when they executed Gaddafi on film apparently we did not think that was barbarous....

When they are no longer useful to us, they get discarded like a used tampon. Just ask Saddam Hussein, General Noriega, Augusto Pinochet and yes, one day we will be discarding the Israeli's to.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

I do not understand we were OK with ISIS when they executed Gaddafi on film apparently we did not think that was barbarous....

When they are no longer useful to us, they get discarded like a used tampon. Just ask Saddam Hussein, General Noriega, Augusto Pinochet and yes, one day we will be discarding the Israeli's to.

So its a "Kleenex Diplomacy"....throw away Satraps

 

[Desperado]

Torture is wrong no matter who it is performed by o for what reason.
Now the tough part is "How do you define torture?"
Does torture have to be physically painful? or can mind games also be defined as torture?

 

[Olde Europe]

So its a "Kleenex Diplomacy"....throw away Satraps

"Kleenex Diplomacy" would convey a sense of cleanliness I find incompatible with the oceans of blood, pain, rotten flesh, fear, desperation, and misery left in its wake.

 

[Kondor3]

I do not understand we were OK with ISIS when they executed Gaddafi on film apparently we did not think that was barbarous....

When they are no longer useful to us, they get discarded like a used tampon. Just ask Saddam Hussein, General Noriega, Augusto Pinochet and yes, one day we will be discarding the Israeli's to.

So its a "Kleenex Diplomacy"....throw away Satraps

"Disposable Satraps" ?



Great idea, for strengthening the Imperium.

Send a note suggesting it to the Emperor...

 

[Freewill]

I still have the right to say want I want, anti-government or not. Now if they listened then used that information against me that would be entirely different story.

That is some tortured logic right there. Why would the government be listening to you in the first place IF they were not contemplating using what you say against you?

And Freewill, call the White House and threaten the President. See how much "Free speech" you have then.

Yes, exactly, why would the government be listening to me? Or you.

You do not have the right to threaten anyone let alone the president, where do you get such ideas?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

So its a "Kleenex Diplomacy"....throw away Satraps

"Kleenex Diplomacy" would convey a sense of cleanliness I find incompatible with the oceans of blood, pain, rotten flesh, fear, desperation, and misery left in its wake.

Rivers of Blood and Years of darkness ...forget it Jake its China Town...

 

[Antares]

After 46 pages, one thing is perfectly clear,
torturing people is very important to the right!
It's as if its their birthright.

nope, but saving american lives is very important. If squirting water up the nose of a murdering terrorist muslim bastard will save american lives, then we should do it.

BTW, waterboarding is not torture, neither is sleep deprivation or being put in a cold room.

At what point on the 'torture' scale do you say we must stop, even though THAT might save American lives?

and at what point should ISIS stop if it feels it can save its lives ?

Only the mentally weak actually think Moral Equivocation is an intellectually strong position from which to argue.

 

[deltex1]

Torture is as American as apple pie

There are many valuable sources that document this history. Some exemplary texts include: A.J. Langguth,Hidden Terrors: The Truth About U.S. Police Operations in Latin America(New York: Pantheon Books, 1979); Gordon Thomas,Journey Into Madness: The True Story of Secret CIA Mind Control and Medical Abuse(New York: Bantam, 1989); Danner,Torture and Truth; Jennifer K. Harbury,Truth, Torture, and the American Way: The History and Consequences of U.S. Involvement in Torture(Boston: Beacon Press, 2005); Alfred McCoy,A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror(New York: Metropolitan Books, 2006); and Rejali,Torture and Democracy. See also Jane Mayer,The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals(New York: Doubleday, 2008); and Phillipe Sands,Torture Team(London: Penguin, 2009). On the torture of children, see Michael Haas,George W. Bush, War Criminal?: The Bush Administration’s Liability for 269 War Crimes(Westport: Praeger, 2009). Also, see Henry A. Giroux,Hearts of Darkness:Torturing Children in the War on Terror(Boulder: Paradigm, 2010).

You forgot " the collected works of obama speeches"...soon to be released in paperback.

 

[jc456]

After 46 pages, one thing is perfectly clear,
torturing people is very important to the right!
It's as if its their birthright.

nope, but saving american lives is very important. If squirting water up the nose of a murdering terrorist muslim bastard will save american lives, then we should do it.

BTW, waterboarding is not torture, neither is sleep deprivation or being put in a cold room.

Torture is an absolute. You do not do it at any time, on anyone, for any reason. You cannot authorize it. You cannot re-define its meaning. And that is one pig, you can't put lipstick on.

Anyone who does it, tries to defend it, or not speak out against it, is a worthless scumbag human, who will go straight to hell when they die.

You, Redfish, are pure evil.

you don't care about american lives.

 

[jc456]

Snowden? Leave that patriot alone.

Revealing secrets is treason no way around it. But compared to the other he is an honorable guy.

Revealing secrets that the government was spying on American citizens? We need more Snowdens.

First of all you assume a motive that is nefarious. Just like those who say that the CIA tortured for no good reason other then they liked to do it. That's just plain BS.

Second, Snowden betrayed a trust, no on can be rewarded for doing so.

Thirdly, who gives a crap if they listen to our conversations? They probably would fall asleep in 2 minutes. No, I am not quite ready to think my self so important that someone, CIA, gives a shit what I have to say.

what exactly did snowden do?

Nothing much, just treason.

Edward Snowden - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden (born June 21, 1983) is an Americancomputer professional who leakedclassified information from the National Security Agency (NSA), starting in June 2013. A former system administrator for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and a counterintelligence trainer at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), he later worked for the private intelligence contractor Dell inside an NSA outpost in Japan. In March 2013, he joined the consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton inside the NSA center in Hawaii.[4] In June 2013, he came to international attention after disclosing to several media outlets thousands of classified documents that he acquired while working as an NSA contractor[5] for Dell[6]and Booz Allen Hamilton.[7] Snowden's leaked documents revealed numerous global surveillance programs, many of them run by the NSA and the Five Eyes with the cooperation of telecommunication companies and European governments. A subject of controversy, Snowden has been variously called a hero,[8][9][10] a whistleblower,[11][12][13][14] a dissident,[15] apatriot,[16][17][18] and a traitor.[19][20][21][22] His disclosures have fueled debates over mass surveillance, government secrecy, and the balance between national security and information privacy. Two court rulings since the initial leaks have split on the constitutionality of the NSA's bulk collection of telephone metadata.[23]

He did what he felt was right for you and me. He is a hero!!!!

Tell me, what is the difference between what he did and what was just released as the documents against the CIA? What the f is the difference??????

 

[jc456]

Revealing secrets is treason no way around it. But compared to the other he is an honorable guy.

Revealing secrets that the government was spying on American citizens? We need more Snowdens.

First of all you assume a motive that is nefarious. Just like those who say that the CIA tortured for no good reason other then they liked to do it. That's just plain BS.

Second, Snowden betrayed a trust, no on can be rewarded for doing so.

Thirdly, who gives a crap if they listen to our conversations? They probably would fall asleep in 2 minutes. No, I am not quite ready to think my self so important that someone, CIA, gives a shit what I have to say.

Who gives a crap? The Constitution dictates what the federal government can and cannot do. You may think it's ok to listen to 50,000 boring phone calls but it takes baby steps to GET TO A DICTATOR.

Yes. You're responding to one of millions of fools who think giving up their 4th Amendment protections is fine if they "have nothing to hide." This is how tyranny takes over, one sheep at a time.

Listen to yourself. I expect you want the government to defend you as is their consitutional requirement. Of course I don't give a shit if they listen to me I have nothing to hide, but what is your paranoia saying about you? What is it that you are doing that you feel you need to hide?

Whose saying that privacy extends to the phones? The courts are divided on the issue. No more then 50 years ago there was a thing call a party line where neighbors shared a phone line, it was very easy to pick up and listen to conversations. Do you think those folks thought there was a guarantee of privacy?

My whole point is this, do I think they should be listening to everyone, no, do I care if they do, no.

As for Snowden, if I am going to condemn Feinstein, Obama and McCain for the release of the report on the CIA and call it BS then to be consistent I must say the same about Snowden. Snowden swore an oath and broke that oath, the ends do not always justify the means.

glad to see you see no difference between the CIA report and Snowden. Now why can't Snowden come home and enjoy his life like these leftest criminals? Ah, that's not the same, is it?