Toronto plane crash what to know

[Robert W]

The Canadians are not speculating in public but you can bet they do it in closed rooms.

I watched the video of the plane crash. Some quick observations follow. The plane descended too fast. I know that winds were crosswind. When it hit the runway, it quickly caught fire and flipped over losing just one wing. It is amazing it did not crumble in fire killing all on the plane. A bit of luck it seems happened by the wing getting knocked off and the plane rolling over. And the runway was free of ice.
Did the roll over save lives? I tend to doubt that. It might have but at the moment I can't claim either way. What saved lives is the fuselage did not burst out in flames. Clearly the photos prove that. By not bursting or falling apart, the passengers being strapped into their seats would not fly all over the inside.
Even the injuries seem mild. All passengers hurt have gone home. This is excellent. The crew is alive and able to tell Canada what happened through their educated eyes.
It is too soon to blame the pilot. However given the rules about flying passenger planes, chances are the blame will be assigned to the pilot in command.
How can he stop being blamed. To pin all of the blame on winds he was not aware of. If he can't do that, he will be blamed.

 

[whitehall]

It looked like the landing gear might have collapsed. Lots of speculation. I wonder why nobody ever interviewed the pilots. Is the pilot union that strong?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It looked like the landing gear might have collapsed. Lots of speculation. I wonder why nobody ever interviewed the pilots. Is the pilot union that strong?

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The DEI status of the flight crew is probably hidden for good reason.


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[AyeCantSeeYou]

Planes and ice don't mix. I'd like to know why the runways weren't treated and planes diverted until the ice was cleared.

 

[Robert W]

It looked like the landing gear might have collapsed. Lots of speculation. I wonder why nobody ever interviewed the pilots. Is the pilot union that strong?

YES it did collapse. That is the major reason I said he descended too fast. Winds might have caused that.

 

[Robert W]

Planes and ice don't mix. I'd like to know why the runways weren't treated and planes diverted until the ice was cleared.

It is very likely the runways were deiced. Airports must have clear runways to land on. Ice would cause a skid but the landing gear broke off which is one reason I said the plane came down too fast.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

It is very likely the runways were deiced. Airports must have clear runways to land on. Ice would cause a skid but the landing gear broke off which is one reason I said the plane came down too fast.

The angle of this video makes it look like the runway was iced over:

 

[Robert W]

The angle of this video makes it look like the runway was iced over:


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But Toronto International Airport Fire Chief Todd Aitken said Monday that the airport runway was dry at the time of the crash, and there were no crosswind conditions as the Delta flight arrived.

Bastian told "CBS Mornings" that the flight crew was an experienced group familiar with Toronto's intense winter weather.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It looked like the landing gear might have collapsed. Lots of speculation. I wonder why nobody ever interviewed the pilots. Is the pilot union that strong?

A smart pilot will take the 5th.

 

[Robert W]

A smart pilot will take the 5th.

Paramedics who responded to the crash treated multiple types of injuries, including back sprains, head lacerations and nausea due to jet fuel fumes, said Cory Tkatch with Peel Regional Paramedic Services.

Video of the crash does not appear to show the usual “flare” of the jet, where the pilot pulls the nose up just before landing, exposing the wings to more air resistance.

“There was no attempt to flare at all, which slows the plane down,” said CNN aviation analyst Mary Schiavo, a former inspector general of the Department of Transportation.

Koukov said he was able to unbuckle his seat belt, get himself down to the ground and then walk out of the plane, but some others needed help getting down from their seats.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I watched the video of the plane crash. Some quick observations follow. The plane descended too fast. I know that winds were crosswind. When it hit the runway, it quickly caught fire and flipped over losing just one wing. It is amazing it did not crumble in fire killing all on the plane. A bit of luck it seems happened by the wing getting knocked off and the plane rolling over. And the runway was free of ice.
Did the roll over save lives? I tend to doubt that. It might have but at the moment I can't claim either way. What saved lives is the fuselage did not burst out in flames. Clearly the photos prove that. By not bursting or falling apart, the passengers being strapped into their seats would not fly all over the inside.
Even the injuries seem mild. All passengers hurt have gone home. This is excellent. The crew is alive and able to tell Canada what happened through their educated eyes.
It is too soon to blame the pilot. However given the rules about flying passenger planes, chances are the blame will be assigned to the pilot in command.
How can he stop being blamed. To pin all of the blame on winds he was not aware of. If he can't do that, he will be blamed.

I have some questions if you don't mind. If you haven't heard anything further that's okay too.

1. When you say the plane descended too fast do you mean that it was going too fast for the conditions of just in general?

I read, before I ever saw the video footage, that one of the wings hit the ground and I figured that is what caused the planae to flip over, also possibly a wind shift or updraft right as it was getting ready to touch down.

On the other hand, I saw an former E-RAU student and current/retired pilot explaining that it's not accidental that one of the wings separated from the fuselage, that the aircraft is designed that way. Since the fuel is stored in the wings, upon severe impact that the wings will detach to prevent the spread of fuel thereby increasing the likelihood of more severe injury and death to smoke and fire which would make it more difficult to escape the wreckage in addition to the outright threat caused by the fire.

I was wondering about contributing weather factors including updrafts and wind shear but I don't know if wind shear occurs during blizzards.

 

[Ava]

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The DEI status of the flight crew is probably hidden for good reason.


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I wish I could find the article I read the day of the crash, but I can't. The source was a reliable one with a good record of reporting accurately. The article stated the airline was noted for promoting DEI and the crew that day was rumored to be all female in the cockpit. Note "rumored." The press could not get any information from authorities on names, pictures or gender, or experience.

 

[braalian]

What does the DEI status of the flight crew have to do with whether or not a Canadian runway was properly de-iced?

 

[Robert W]

I have some questions if you don't mind. If you haven't heard anything further that's okay too.

1. When you say the plane descended too fast do you mean that it was going too fast for the conditions of just in general?

I read, before I ever saw the video footage, that one of the wings hit the ground and I figured that is what caused the planae to flip over, also possibly a wind shift or updraft right as it was getting ready to touch down.

On the other hand, I saw an former E-RAU student and current/retired pilot explaining that it's not accidental that one of the wings separated from the fuselage, that the aircraft is designed that way. Since the fuel is stored in the wings, upon severe impact that the wings will detach to prevent the spread of fuel thereby increasing the likelihood of more severe injury and death to smoke and fire which would make it more difficult to escape the wreckage in addition to the outright threat caused by the fire.

I was wondering about contributing weather factors including updrafts and wind shear but I don't know if wind shear occurs during blizzards.

It was not moving too fast down the runway, it was dropping too fast. It did not flare. We flare to slow down how fast we drop towards the runway and to get rid of speed making the landing safer. Flaring is raising the nose a bit. Your explanation of the wing breaking off is one thing I have not checked at all. It sounds good but might not be true. If a pilot familiar with that airplane said it, chances are it is true. I am not sure what you mean by updraft. We have more problems with down drafts. Windshear can be a probable cause. I have to review wind shear to see related problems to give you more news.

 

[Robert W]

I wish I could find the article I read the day of the crash, but I can't. The source was a reliable one with a good record of reporting accurately. The article stated the airline was noted for promoting DEI and the crew that day was rumored to be all female in the cockpit. Note "rumored." The press could not get any information from authorities on names, pictures or gender, or experience.

The pilot was male and the first officer or co pilot was a female.

This is by a pilot and deals with things we discussed.

Delta releases new information about captain, first officer flying plane that crashed in Toronto

Delta Air Lines released new details about the crew aboard flight 4819, operated by its subsidiary Endeavor Air, which crash-landed in Toronto on Monday.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Robert W]

I have some questions if you don't mind. If you haven't heard anything further that's okay too.

1. When you say the plane descended too fast do you mean that it was going too fast for the conditions of just in general?

I read, before I ever saw the video footage, that one of the wings hit the ground and I figured that is what caused the planae to flip over, also possibly a wind shift or updraft right as it was getting ready to touch down.

On the other hand, I saw an former E-RAU student and current/retired pilot explaining that it's not accidental that one of the wings separated from the fuselage, that the aircraft is designed that way. Since the fuel is stored in the wings, upon severe impact that the wings will detach to prevent the spread of fuel thereby increasing the likelihood of more severe injury and death to smoke and fire which would make it more difficult to escape the wreckage in addition to the outright threat caused by the fire.

I was wondering about contributing weather factors including updrafts and wind shear but I don't know if wind shear occurs during blizzards.

Here is information about the wing coming off. This truly helped passengers live.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/18/us/aircraft-safety-toronto-plane-crash/index.html#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThings%20can%20break%20%E2%80%A6%20but%20if,of%20an%20accident%2C%20McCormick%20said.

 

[progressive hunter]

What does the DEI status of the flight crew have to do with whether or not a Canadian runway was properly de-iced?

what does the condition of the runway have to do with slaming the plane down to hard??

it broke up when it hit the ground so was never a factor