Top U.S. general: Soleimani was planning 'campaign' of violence against U.S.

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Unless you're a sock, let him say it.

Sorry I have offended your delicate sensibilities. Now tell us all about how trustworthy our intelligence agencies are.

You've offended no one in your continuing quest to find a helmet that works.

Oh, you're offended. And whining. You will get over it.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Hello, Rip Van Winkle. Of course he does. How can you not know that?

Trump has a plan? Hahahahaha....

Trump has no plan. Trump knows nothing about anything. His advisers treat him like he is a child.

You have no idea what you are talking about, you're just in here to troll, as usual....Dismissed.

Please. You don't actually think Trump has any real plan.

He's told you what it is over and over again.

 

[hadit]

Unless you're a sock, let him say it.

Sorry I have offended your delicate sensibilities. Now tell us all about how trustworthy our intelligence agencies are.

You've offended no one in your continuing quest to find a helmet that works.

Oh, you're offended. And whining. You will get over it.

Like I said, your helmet isn't working. Get a smaller size, perhaps one with a big "Z" on the side in crayon. I hear those work for idiots.

 

[edthecynic]

If Iran would play ball, they would acquire a favored nation status with the United States. They are still pizzed about our interference from after Word War 2.

Do you mean like Eisenhower's CIA coup to replace the DEMOCRATICALLY elected leader of Iran with the tyrant and murderer the Shah of Iran to sell OIL at a discount to Great Britain?
Wouldn't you be pissed at the country that installed a puppet leader who was murdering family members or people you knew while pocketing all the Oil profits for their own family?????

You are parroting Soviet anti American propaganda from the 1960's.

The Shah was installed by the allies in WWII because his father supported Germany and the allies needed Iran to supply the Russians. After the war, the Shah instituted reforms that allowed members of the royal family his father had overthrown to serve in government and Mossadegh, the man you claim was being overthrown, was in fact trying to overthrown the constitutional government, and it was not the CIA but the Iranian army that stopped him. If you had read the CIA files which were made public several years ago, you would realize that the CIA's role was only to bolster the Shah's courage when he wanted to surrender to Mossadegh to avoid a civil war and to help him to rally his supporters. The CIA files reveal that Eisenhower agreed to help the Brits only on condition that they negotiate a better deal with Iran, but the Brits reneged on that promise.

Lies, all lies, and you know it.

How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days
On Aug. 19, 2013, the CIA publicly admitted for the first time its involvement in the 1953 coup against Iran's elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.
The documents provided details of the CIA's plan at the time, which was led by senior officer Kermit Roosevelt Jr., the grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. Over the course of four days in August 1953, Roosevelt would orchestrate not one, but two attempts to destabilize the government of Iran, forever changing the relationship between the country and the U.S. In this episode, we go back to retrace what happened in the inaugural episode of NPR's new history podcast, Throughline.

Mohammad Mossadegh was a beloved figure in Iran. During his tenure, he introduced a range of social and economic policies, the most significant being the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry. Great Britain had controlled Iran's oil for decades through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.

 

[edthecynic]

Does Trump even have a plan??

Yeah, start a war with Iran to get HIMSELF reelected.

 

[edthecynic]

Mossadegh was not the democratically elected leader of Iran you brainwashed fool. He was appointed prime minister by the Shah. Then later the Shah dismissed him because of his horrible policies. He was not deposed in a coup. He attempted a coup after he got shit-canned and was stopped by the military.

PURE LIES!
The Shah never appointed him nor dismissed him.
Where do you worthless lying scum dig up these obvious lies????

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

He's told you what it is over and over again.

He has? Please, detail it. And if you are going to say,"he said he will attack Iran, if Iran attacks us", smack yourself, because that is not a "plan". That's a child, saying childish things.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.

Maybe Mossadegh seizing all Western oil production and simply declaring it to be property of Iran had something to do with his overthrow?

 

[Muhammed]

Mossadegh was not the democratically elected leader of Iran you brainwashed fool. He was appointed prime minister by the Shah. Then later the Shah dismissed him because of his horrible policies. He was not deposed in a coup. He attempted a coup after he got shit-canned and was stopped by the military.

PURE LIES!
The Shah never appointed him nor dismissed him.
Where do you worthless lying scum dig up these obvious lies????

I've probably read about a dozen books on the subject.

The fact of the matter is that the Shah appointed Muhammed Mosaddegh Prime Minister twice. The first time he was PM he resigned and the second time he was dismissed by the Shah.

You are ignorant of history.

 

[Muhammed]

After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.

Maybe Mossadegh seizing all Western oil production and simply declaring it to be property of Iran had something to do with his overthrow?

Actually the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, which was 51% owned by the British government, had a monopoly on oil production in Iran. While Mosaddegh was Prime Minister he nationalized the oil, confiscated all of the very expensive oil facilities the British built, and reneged on the oil concessions to Britain. So of course the Brits boycotted Iranian oil. Not only that, all of the British AIOC workers left Iran so the Iranians didn't have enough trained technicians to run the oil facilities even if they could sell the oil. So their massive oil production and revenues went down to practically nothing.

It was a very costly decision by Mosaddegh that caused untold hardship in Iran. Iran was very financially dependent on those oil revenues.

That's the #1 reason for his dismissal. Stupid self-destructive policies.

He was arrested because he tried to overthrow the legitimate government in a coup, but was stopped by a counter-coup, arrested, convicted of treason and sentenced to 3 years in jail, then spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

The reason the CIA got involved was because the Soviets were up to their usual shenanigans in Iran at the time. But that's a whole different story.

 

[Zorro!]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States had “clear, unambiguous” intelligence that a top Iranian general was planning a significant campaign of violence against the United States when it decided to strike him, the top U.S. general said on Friday, warning Soleimani’s plots “might still happen.”

Army General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a small group of reporters “we fully comprehend the strategic consequences” associated with the strike against Qassem Soleimani, Tehran’s most prominent military commander.

But he said the risk of inaction exceeded the risk that killing him might dramatically escalate tensions with Tehran.

“Is there risk? Damn right, there’s risk. But we’re working to mitigate it,” Milley said from his Pentagon office.

Top U.S. general: Soleimani was planning 'campaign' of violence against U.S.

So the swarms of drooling Democrats who are claiming the President had no objective reason to issue the order to kill Solemani are clearly wrong. The Pentagon had concluded on the basis of clear evidence of Soleimani's plans that the risk of not killing him was greater than the risk of killing him. To Pelosi and Schumer this will sound like a clear reason to impeach the President again.

Trump nipped it in the bud, prevented wider war through decisive action.

In the embassy attack, Soleimani’s signature was almost literally applied to it. Graffiti on the buildings left by the attackers read, “Soleimani is our leader,” and Soleimani himself made the terminal error of thinking he could just walk into Baghdad to organize more attacks.

It was “amazingly brazen” of Soleimani to visit Baghdad during the attack on the U.S. embassy.

Soleimani was under UN travel sanctions and wasn’t supposed to be allowed to travel outside Iran at all.

He was traveling into a US military theater at a time when his forces were attacking a US diplomatic facility. Add that together and you get smoked terrorist commander. The US has the right to defend its embassies anywhere in the world without specific authorization, and that includes taking out the leadership of the attackers in the city where those attacks take place.

 

[edthecynic]

After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.

Maybe Mossadegh seizing all Western oil production and simply declaring it to be property of Iran had something to do with his overthrow?

It is Iran's oil. Iran offered the oil to the British at the prevailing market rate, but the Brits wanted a steep discount, and continuous control of Iran's oil industry; the living and working conditions of its Iranian workers were extremely poor; it refused to allow Iranians a greater voice in the company's management; and it denied them the right to audit the company's books.
Would you make such a deal with the Brits for YOUR oil???? I think not!

 

[edthecynic]

After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.

Maybe Mossadegh seizing all Western oil production and simply declaring it to be property of Iran had something to do with his overthrow?

Actually the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, which was 51% owned by the British government, had a monopoly on oil production in Iran. While Mosaddegh was Prime Minister he nationalized the oil, confiscated all of the very expensive oil facilities the British built, and reneged on the oil concessions to Britain. So of course the Brits boycotted Iranian oil. Not only that, all of the British AIOC workers left Iran so the Iranians didn't have enough trained technicians to run the oil facilities even if they could sell the oil. So their massive oil production and revenues went down to practically nothing.

It was a very costly decision by Mosaddegh that caused untold hardship in Iran. Iran was very financially dependent on those oil revenues.

That's the #1 reason for his dismissal. Stupid self-destructive policies.

He was arrested because he tried to overthrow the legitimate government in a coup, but was stopped by a counter-coup, arrested, convicted of treason and sentenced to 3 years in jail, then spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

The reason the CIA got involved was because the Soviets were up to their usual shenanigans in Iran at the time. But that's a whole different story.

Pure BULLSHIT!

 

[edthecynic]

Mossadegh was not the democratically elected leader of Iran you brainwashed fool. He was appointed prime minister by the Shah. Then later the Shah dismissed him because of his horrible policies. He was not deposed in a coup. He attempted a coup after he got shit-canned and was stopped by the military.

PURE LIES!
The Shah never appointed him nor dismissed him.
Where do you worthless lying scum dig up these obvious lies????

I've probably read about a dozen books on the subject.

The fact of the matter is that the Shah appointed Muhammed Mosaddegh Prime Minister twice. The first time he was PM he resigned and the second time he was dismissed by the Shah.

You are ignorant of history.

 

[Muhammed]

After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.

Maybe Mossadegh seizing all Western oil production and simply declaring it to be property of Iran had something to do with his overthrow?

Actually the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, which was 51% owned by the British government, had a monopoly on oil production in Iran. While Mosaddegh was Prime Minister he nationalized the oil, confiscated all of the very expensive oil facilities the British built, and reneged on the oil concessions to Britain. So of course the Brits boycotted Iranian oil. Not only that, all of the British AIOC workers left Iran so the Iranians didn't have enough trained technicians to run the oil facilities even if they could sell the oil. So their massive oil production and revenues went down to practically nothing.

It was a very costly decision by Mosaddegh that caused untold hardship in Iran. Iran was very financially dependent on those oil revenues.

That's the #1 reason for his dismissal. Stupid self-destructive policies.

He was arrested because he tried to overthrow the legitimate government in a coup, but was stopped by a counter-coup, arrested, convicted of treason and sentenced to 3 years in jail, then spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

The reason the CIA got involved was because the Soviets were up to their usual shenanigans in Iran at the time. But that's a whole different story.

Pure BULLSHIT!

You're simply ignorant of history, jackass.

 

[CWayne]

In other words, you have no idea what is going on but you still have strong opinions about it.

Which is totally fine. There is a reason our military is under civilian control, and a reason we vote for those who make the decisions.

Furthermore, you also seem to have strong opinions about it. What is your security clearance level, agent?

Very good. We have Donald Trump in charge of the military.

I'm glad you recognize that.

 

[Zorro!]

Trump's Deterrent Strike Prevents Wider War.

An attack on another nation’s embassy is, by itself, an act of war. Of course, Iran has done far worse, and Terrorist Commander Soleimani has been at the center of it all for decades. Our government estimates that he was responsible for the killing of more than 600 U.S. troops during the fighting in Iraq — and that represents just some of his anti-American operations, coordinating the networks that target Americans and our interests throughout the region.

Trump has tried to avoid military confrontation with Iran (even as close advisers encouraged more aggressive responses to such provocations as the IRGC’s shooting down of a U.S. surveillance drone in June). The president is avoiding a drawn-out, costly war.

The revolutionary jihadist regime in Iran has considered itself at war with the United States for 40 years, however, and has prosecuted it throughout. Usually, it is a low-thrum affair, but there are sometimes major strikes, such as the 1996 Khobar Towers attack in Saudi Arabia, in which 19 U.S. airmen were killed. Most infamously, Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of anti-American terrorism. Without Tehran’s support, al Qaeda could not have evolved into the threat it became in the years prior to 9/11, when it repeatedly attacked American targets.

Soleimani was not “assassinated,” as some Trump critics maintain. He was an enemy combatant commander who became a combat casualty because of a righteous responsive strike, conducted while he was in the act of levying war by directing his forces.

Peace Through Drone Strikes​

 

[toomuchtime_]

If Iran would play ball, they would acquire a favored nation status with the United States. They are still pizzed about our interference from after Word War 2.

Do you mean like Eisenhower's CIA coup to replace the DEMOCRATICALLY elected leader of Iran with the tyrant and murderer the Shah of Iran to sell OIL at a discount to Great Britain?
Wouldn't you be pissed at the country that installed a puppet leader who was murdering family members or people you knew while pocketing all the Oil profits for their own family?????

You are parroting Soviet anti American propaganda from the 1960's.

The Shah was installed by the allies in WWII because his father supported Germany and the allies needed Iran to supply the Russians. After the war, the Shah instituted reforms that allowed members of the royal family his father had overthrown to serve in government and Mossadegh, the man you claim was being overthrown, was in fact trying to overthrown the constitutional government, and it was not the CIA but the Iranian army that stopped him. If you had read the CIA files which were made public several years ago, you would realize that the CIA's role was only to bolster the Shah's courage when he wanted to surrender to Mossadegh to avoid a civil war and to help him to rally his supporters. The CIA files reveal that Eisenhower agreed to help the Brits only on condition that they negotiate a better deal with Iran, but the Brits reneged on that promise.

Lies, all lies, and you know it.

How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days
On Aug. 19, 2013, the CIA publicly admitted for the first time its involvement in the 1953 coup against Iran's elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.
The documents provided details of the CIA's plan at the time, which was led by senior officer Kermit Roosevelt Jr., the grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. Over the course of four days in August 1953, Roosevelt would orchestrate not one, but two attempts to destabilize the government of Iran, forever changing the relationship between the country and the U.S. In this episode, we go back to retrace what happened in the inaugural episode of NPR's new history podcast, Throughline.

Mohammad Mossadegh was a beloved figure in Iran. During his tenure, he introduced a range of social and economic policies, the most significant being the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry. Great Britain had controlled Iran's oil for decades through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.

All Soviet anti American propaganda. As all your posts are, this one is distinguished by your ignorance and bigotry. The Shah took the throne during WWII, not in 1953, and it was Mossadegh who attempted to overthrow the constitutional government and was stopped by the Iranian military. The CIA's role is entirely discussed in Roosevelt's report to the CIA in Project Ajax, which was made public several years ago, not by NPR.

Iran was a constitutional monarchy, with the Shah as head of state. Mossadegh was never elected head of state by the people. He was elected as a member of Parliament and chosen as Prime Minister by the Parliament, and not by the people of Iran. Mossadegh nationalized the oil industry and Britain responded by blockading Iran and the blockade inflicted so much suffering on the people that Mossadegh lost his support in Parliament and declared an emergency, dismissed the Parliament and began ruling by decree.

The Iranian Constitution made the Shah commander in chief of the armed forces, but Mossadegh, now ruling by decree, demanded that the Shah turn control of the armed forces over to him, and he tried to persuaded military leaders to turn against the Shah. He also called on crowds of his supporters to attack the Shah's palace. The military was divided between loyalty to Mossadegh and loyalty to the Shah, but refused to take action. Mobs of supporters for both men clashed in the streets. Civil war seemed imminent. The Shah, a weak man, left Iran rather than fight a civil war. The US had played no role in events up to this point.

At this point the British asked Eisenhower to intervene to stabilize Iran, and Eisenhower agreed only on condition Britain would give Iran a fairer deal on oil. Britain agreed, but later reneged of that promise. The US did two things. First, US diplomats persuaded the Shah that he should return and save his country from the war and chaos it was falling into. Second, the CIA, under the leadership of Roosevelt, allowed the Shah's supporters to used US office resources and provided some funding so that they could rally further support for the Shah. Although Roosevelt's report doesn't mention it, I imagine US representatives also talked to Iranian military leaders and urged them to support the Shah, probably telling them that Britain had promised to provide a more generous oil deal. Once the Shah returned, the military announced it supported him, arrested Mossadegh and some of his supporters; they were later sentenced to house arrest and banned from politics. Peace was restored, the blockade was lifted, the Parliament Mossadegh dismissed was restored. Of course the country still remained under siege from the Islamists and the communists, mostly in the northern provinces.

 

[toomuchtime_]

He's told you what it is over and over again.

He has? Please, detail it. And if you are going to say,"he said he will attack Iran, if Iran attacks us", smack yourself, because that is not a "plan". That's a child, saying childish things.

The plan is very simple and you have heard over and over again, but I'll play. The plan is to apply economic pressure through sanctions on Iran to force it to entirely give up its nuclear weapons ambitions in a verifiable way and to give up its imperialistic adventures. All of the recent military action has been in response to attacks by Iran and its proxies.

 

[Zorro!]

If Iran would play ball, they would acquire a favored nation status with the United States. They are still pizzed about our interference from after Word War 2.

Do you mean like Eisenhower's CIA coup to replace the DEMOCRATICALLY elected leader of Iran with the tyrant and murderer the Shah of Iran to sell OIL at a discount to Great Britain?
Wouldn't you be pissed at the country that installed a puppet leader who was murdering family members or people you knew while pocketing all the Oil profits for their own family?????

You are parroting Soviet anti American propaganda from the 1960's.

The Shah was installed by the allies in WWII because his father supported Germany and the allies needed Iran to supply the Russians. After the war, the Shah instituted reforms that allowed members of the royal family his father had overthrown to serve in government and Mossadegh, the man you claim was being overthrown, was in fact trying to overthrown the constitutional government, and it was not the CIA but the Iranian army that stopped him. If you had read the CIA files which were made public several years ago, you would realize that the CIA's role was only to bolster the Shah's courage when he wanted to surrender to Mossadegh to avoid a civil war and to help him to rally his supporters. The CIA files reveal that Eisenhower agreed to help the Brits only on condition that they negotiate a better deal with Iran, but the Brits reneged on that promise.

Lies, all lies, and you know it.

How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days
On Aug. 19, 2013, the CIA publicly admitted for the first time its involvement in the 1953 coup against Iran's elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.
The documents provided details of the CIA's plan at the time, which was led by senior officer Kermit Roosevelt Jr., the grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. Over the course of four days in August 1953, Roosevelt would orchestrate not one, but two attempts to destabilize the government of Iran, forever changing the relationship between the country and the U.S. In this episode, we go back to retrace what happened in the inaugural episode of NPR's new history podcast, Throughline.

Mohammad Mossadegh was a beloved figure in Iran. During his tenure, he introduced a range of social and economic policies, the most significant being the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry. Great Britain had controlled Iran's oil for decades through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. After months of talks the prime minister broke off negotiations and denied the British any further involvement in Iran's oil industry. Britain then appealed to the United States for help, which eventually led the CIA to orchestrate the overthrow of Mossadegh and restore power to Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran.

All Soviet anti American propaganda. As all your posts are, this one is distinguished by your ignorance and bigotry. The Shah took the throne during WWII, not in 1953, and it was Mossadegh who attempted to overthrow the constitutional government and was stopped by the Iranian military. The CIA's role is entirely discussed in Roosevelt's report to the CIA in Project Ajax, which was made public several years ago, not by NPR.

Iran was a constitutional monarchy, with the Shah as head of state. Mossadegh was never elected head of state by the people. He was elected as a member of Parliament and chosen as Prime Minister by the Parliament, and not by the people of Iran. Mossadegh nationalized the oil industry and Britain responded by blockading Iran and the blockade inflicted so much suffering on the people that Mossadegh lost his support in Parliament and declared an emergency, dismissed the Parliament and began ruling by decree.

The Iranian Constitution made the Shah commander in chief of the armed forces, but Mossadegh, now ruling by decree, demanded that the Shah turn control of the armed forces over to him, and he tried to persuaded military leaders to turn against the Shah. He also called on crowds of his supporters to attack the Shah's palace. The military was divided between loyalty to Mossadegh and loyalty to the Shah, but refused to take action. Mobs of supporters for both men clashed in the streets. Civil war seemed imminent. The Shah, a weak man, left Iran rather than fight a civil war. The US had played no role in events up to this point.

At this point the British asked Eisenhower to intervene to stabilize Iran, and Eisenhower agreed only on condition Britain would give Iran a fairer deal on oil. Britain agreed, but later reneged of that promise. The US did two things. First, US diplomats persuaded the Shah that he should return and save his country from the war and chaos it was falling into. Second, the CIA, under the leadership of Roosevelt, allowed the Shah's supporters to used US office resources and provided some funding so that they could rally further support for the Shah. Although Roosevelt's report doesn't mention it, I imagine US representatives also talked to Iranian military leaders and urged them to support the Shah, probably telling them that Britain had promised to provide a more generous oil deal. Once the Shah returned, the military announced it supported him, arrested Mossadegh and some of his supporters; they were later sentenced to house arrest and banned from politics. Peace was restored, the blockade was lifted, the Parliament Mossadegh dismissed was restored. Of course the country still remained under siege from the Islamists and the communists, mostly in the northern provinces.

The Shah's ruled Iran for 2500 years, and Iran did much better than they have under the Crazed Mullahs that have taken them temporarily back to the Stone Age.

The heir to the throne resides in Texas. Reza Pahlavi.

After violence erupted in Tehran, Pahlavi said that Iran's youth were determined to get rid of an authoritarian government tainted by corruption and misrule in the hope of installing a democracy.

"Fundamental and necessary change is long overdue for our region and we have a whole generation of young Egyptians and Iranians not willing to take no for an answer", he told The Daily Telegraph. "Democratisation is now an imperative that cannot be denied. It is only a matter of time before the whole region can transform itself."​

Pahlavi's book Winds of Change: The Future of Democracy in Iran outlines possible scenarios for Iran's future.