To those saying flipping burgers or dunking fries deserves 15.00 per hour...

[Ray From Cleveland]

I guess what those who poke fun at that segment of society want is for taxpayers to foot their entire bill since not everybody can learn more to earn more.

Those of us on the right don't want to foot any bill. Cut social programs down to the bare bone, and it will force people to work harder and better themselves.

Pardon me, but that is a silly reply. Lots of people simply can't do what you expect... you know anybody with autism, Downs, or is IQ challenged?

Those people are taken care of by our social programs. They don't need to work if they don't want to. Some of them do I suppose, but it's not a necessity or survival.

By cutting social programs, I'm talking about the many who are physically and mentally capable of working, but don't.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, we hear you whining you can't get health insurance. The thing is, you blame Obama and not your boss.

Certainly not the employer's fault or responsibility. Remember President Barack Hussein Obama promised that we were going to save $2,500 per year when you got Obamacare.

Don't mind Joe, he's one of those people who refuse to believe he has a mental problem. He is so obsessed by my employer dropping our coverage he can't stop talking about it. He's so obsessed he brings it up in almost every reply.

I'm trying to persuade him into seeking help for his obsessive compulsive disorder, but he doesn't believe anything his wrong with him.

Mental disorders are different from physical disorders. If you have a back problem, you can ignore it for a time. But eventually, that pain stops you from working around the house, causes you to call of of work frequently, maybe even hampers your sex life. But eventually, you finally realize you have a problem and seek help.

Mental disorders are different from physical disorders because all you have to do is convince yourself that you're fine--it's everybody else that's Fd up. So you don't seek the help you really need. You lead the rest of your life suffering and nobody can convince you to get help. It's very sad really. I had an ex-friend like that once. When I pressured him to seek professional help, he just cut me off as a friend and still suffers today.

 

[Markle]

This lack of empathy from the right always enrages me. Most people would love to not work at McDonalds. Most people working in the service industry don't do it because they love it. They do it because they need money and food.

Life deals people bad cards sometimes. A lot of people have family responsibilities, illness and other circumstances that are out of their hands.

Fast food workers just don't flip burgers. They work long hours, deal with shitty customers and sub par pay.

The current minimum wage doesn't even allow to pay towards something better. The minimum wage isn't livable.

McDonald's is a FIRST JOB. What part of that is not comprehensible to you. When has a first job ever been one on which you get married, have children and buy a house?

What is the average income of a household where at least one member of the household works for minimum wage?

 

[Markle]

but make a big deal out of paying a little more for a burger so that some child don't end up on welfare, costing you even more?

Other than money, what is the single most important difference between a child being raised in poverty and a child being raised above the poverty level?

 

[Markle]

Nobody...not adults, not kids, not college students should apply for min wage jobs. Let them remain unfilled. If mcpukes shut down nobody would shed one tear. In fact I would laugh incredibly.

Not everyone lacks the character you do. They realize they have nothing to offer. No work experience, work ethic, or skills. They're hoping someone will give them a chance to show what they can do.

 

[beagle9]

Nope...just the facts..leave the jobs unfilled....I would cheer huge. Nobody needs to fill those jobs. They can find better paying work. I do not want to raise the min wage. The way to higher wages is to see those jobs unfilled. As far as my handle....its the american creed. Do youy think people wake up and work to see the country improve? Nipe...that is the very last thought. Every american is out there for themselves first.

. I see your frustration, but that won't work, and there is nothing wrong with a minimum wage start off, and then to work ones way up from there. The problem found, is the amount that is set for minimum wage in which fell behind long long ago.

This country has seen companies increase their profit margins to unbelievable levels, but for some reason they began a trend of not wanting to share the wealth throughout the company in ways that helps to reward (in an appropriate way) the employees that are sticking it out with them or had helped them to build their wealth.

Then to top it all off, the companies got into even a bigger game of hiring illegals to work as unregulated workers for whom they could say to that kind of worker through their interpretors, that if you don't like 7 days a week, 12 to 14 hours a day, then you can get your ace back across that border to be replaced quickly by another. Then these sorry pieces of so called management forces would stand there and say that "hey their just doing the jobs Americans won't do". Well I wonder why the Americans won't do these dam jobs ?? For starters they don't want Americans in these jobs, so it's off to their mommy's basements in which they all will go until their 26 years ruined. People should be looked up, and their wealth taken from them in order to give it back to America or to give it back to the American workers in the form of Healthcare subsidies, retirement plans and social security. To undermine this country in the ways that these people had done should come with consequences.

How do you suppose these companies are going to provide all these great things when the American consumer won't buy their products? After all, if you have a light bulb factory and sell your 50' string of Christmas lights for $25.00, but the ones from China cost $7.50, nobody is going to buy your light set. Then you have to close your business and nobody has a job yet alone a good paying one.

. Good analogy over a bad situation that we had gotten ourselves into. After being a nation that promoted so many principles and values once upon a time, to somehow being one that engaged in trade with a Communist country that has a human rights/humanatarion record that is worse than any other communist regime of the past in which we disagreed with, and it being one that worked it's citizens like modern day slaves for world trade purposes uhh was a huge mistake from hell on our part. How we as a nation somehow thought this to be ok was a huge mistake on our part. The building up of a nation like that by way of trade was a huge mistake on our part. Any nation that kills and abuses it's citizens should be allowed to become so weak that it's citizens could rebel against a nation like that, and take it down, and take it over.

 

[Markle]

Nope...just the facts..leave the jobs unfilled....I would cheer huge. Nobody needs to fill those jobs. They can find better paying work. I do not want to raise the min wage. The way to higher wages is to see those jobs unfilled. As far as my handle....its the american creed. Do youy think people wake up and work to see the country improve? Nipe...that is the very last thought. Every american is out there for themselves first.

You're amusing. Not well educated by amusing.

You have strongly supported why we do not need a minimum wage nor raise the one we have on a National level.

I doubt there is a McDonalds in the country that pays the Federal Minimum Wage to start. I also doubt that there are two cities that have a major difference in their cost of living that have the same starting salary. Like every other business, they pay what they need to hire good people.

 

[Markle]

Every company in America should be a place that any American wouldn't mind working for temporarily or even full time. Every company in America ought to treat their employees decent and fair. Companies stop with the lying already.

Maybe the government should regulate that. Better yet, the government could run all the businesses and then they'd all be decent and fair! Sounds like a plan!

 

[beagle9]

I guess what those who poke fun at that segment of society want is for taxpayers to foot their entire bill since not everybody can learn more to earn more.

Those of us on the right don't want to foot any bill. Cut social programs down to the bare bone, and it will force people to work harder and better themselves.

. True, but will there be a trap set for those by evil greedy business owners who will be standing there yelling at each poor soul that walks through his door " you got no where to run now, so get your ace in there on that sanding machine, and I don't want to hear another word out of you for 5 years, and then I might just decide to raise you from $7.50 an hour to $8.50 an hour ". The worker then tells his co-workers " I got to get out of here man", but they quickly remind him that they have tried themselves to get out, but the good ole boys at the top are working together in so that it's super hard to quit and just go somewhere else. Then if they do get out, they quickly run into a dead end because the city or towns people in these companies are far more connected than was first thought of. They work together to know who is moving about, who is making waves, who is demanding more, and what to do when the sheep begin to get restless. Why do you people think that such a thing as employee history, recommendations, and references are so important to managements ?

Because it's important to find out if they are going to waste their time on a loser or somebody that really wants to do the job. In fact, several of our customers only hire through temp agencies. This way they get to try out the worker several months to a year before offering them a full-time job.

You'd be surprised at how many lowlifes work for X amount of time just to get enough work months in to go back on unemployment for the next four months. If you have a record of this, nobody is going to want to hire you and rightfully so.

For the most part, there are always other places to go if you are unhappy with your employer. And if you do good work, no employer wants to discourage you from coming to work in the morning because you found another job. These days, good workers are hard to find. In my line of work, I spend most of the day in industrial areas. They are all loaded with HELLP WANTED signs that remain there for weeks and months.

Who ultimately created the employee crisis in this country ?? Yes NAFTA was one of the bad policies, and bad trends is another contributor, but who is behind the complete failures ?? Who has destroyed the nation by a cascade of greed thinking and/or who had become long eyed so badly that is has eat this nations inside like the worst cancer imaginable ???

 

[beagle9]

Every company in America should be a place that any American wouldn't mind working for temporarily or even full time. Every company in America ought to treat their employees decent and fair. Companies stop with the lying already.

Maybe the government should regulate that. Better yet, the government could run all the businesses and then they'd all be decent and fair! Sounds like a plan!

. You are an advocate of government when government works specifically for you, but government is the enemy anytime it attempts to work somehow for all others within this vast country in which we all live in right ? Hey, I'm for a merit based society for the most part, and I'm for a free one at that, but I'm also for recognizing decency standards, and human rights, along with freedom, liberty, and justice for all.

 

[Markle]

If you eat at a fast food place, you place a value on the meal. If nobody were there to take your order on nights, week-ends and holidays, you'd suddenly decide how valuable it is to have people there for you when you need them.

You'll pay higher prices at a convenience store to keep from driving an extra mile down the road and paying substantially less, but make a big deal out of paying a little more for a burger so that some child don't end up on welfare, costing you even more????????????????

Getting rid of the counter help and putting in computerized Kiosks GREATLY increased the value of McDonalds to me. Last time I was there, my order was actually right.

Wait til you say hold the pickles, hold the lettuce...

They put lettuce on their burgers?? Is that a new thing.

IDK. No lettuce on the Big Mac?

That's lettuce? Seems more like coleslaw.

No one expects you to know the difference between lettuce and cabbage. That's why the minimum wage is so high or you'd earn far less.

 

[beagle9]

Explain why someone HAS to work for min wage. Your type say its all about choices. So make the choice not to apply. With barely a work ethic one can do better. Those co panies are awful places to work.

. Every company in America should be a place that any American wouldn't mind working for temporarily or even full time. Every company in America ought to treat their employees decent and fair. Companies stop with the lying already.

Companies don't open up to provide a livable wage and good benefits. Companies open up to provide a product or service for a profit. Opening up a business is not a social obligation. Opening up a business is for business.

The right always has a talking point until you put them on the spot. If you saw a Mexican behind the counter, you'd be advocating putting the owner in jail as if they had a duty to provide jobs for Americans only.

And, no, I'm not a liberal, so don't give me yet another pre-approved message from Richard Spencer.

Company owners have the obligation to adhere to our laws just like anybody else. There are laws that say you cannot hire illegals.. There is no law stating you must pay anybody a livable wage.

. Isn't there a minimum wage law ?? At one time it was set state by state in accordance with the states cost of living standard in percentage of. For years of doing weird business practices over time, the wage became almost obselete when in reality it needed to be visited again big time. Now who caused this revisiting of the minimum wage laws, and thus brought the raising of the wage back into focus once again ??. You guessed it "the greedy" is who bring these things back into focus. You can't have 17% unemployment, and think that it won't be looked into upon why that is.

 

[Markle]

You are an advocate of government when government works specifically for you, but government is the enemy anytime it attempts to work somehow for all others within this vast country in which we all live in right ? Hey, I'm for a merit based society for the most part, and I'm for a free one at that, but I'm also for recognizing decency standards, and human rights, along with freedom, liberty, and justice for all.

So Socialism fits you perfectly!

 

[beagle9]

You are an advocate of government when government works specifically for you, but government is the enemy anytime it attempts to work somehow for all others within this vast country in which we all live in right ? Hey, I'm for a merit based society for the most part, and I'm for a free one at that, but I'm also for recognizing decency standards, and human rights, along with freedom, liberty, and justice for all.

So Socialism fits you perfectly!

. Good grief.. Get help.

 

[Nia88]

This lack of empathy from the right always enrages me. Most people would love to not work at McDonalds. Most people working in the service industry don't do it because they love it. They do it because they need money and food.

Life deals people bad cards sometimes. A lot of people have family responsibilities, illness and other circumstances that are out of their hands.

Fast food workers just don't flip burgers. They work long hours, deal with shitty customers and sub par pay.

The current minimum wage doesn't even allow to pay towards something better. The minimum wage isn't livable.

McDonald's is a FIRST JOB. What part of that is not comprehensible to you. When has a first job ever been one on which you get married, have children and buy a house?

What is the average income of a household where at least one member of the household works for minimum wage?

People have life circumstances in which they have to take a job in the service industry. I knew a guy in college who's mom got sick. He had to drop out in freshman and take a job as a waiter to support his siblings. With minimum wage he was barely making it.

Ideally working in the service industry should just be for teenagers. But in our capitalist society, that's not the case.

No one is asking for pay yo buy a home. But a wage that you're able yo Iive on without needing food stamps or some assistance is reasonable.

 

[beagle9]

This lack of empathy from the right always enrages me. Most people would love to not work at McDonalds. Most people working in the service industry don't do it because they love it. They do it because they need money and food.

Life deals people bad cards sometimes. A lot of people have family responsibilities, illness and other circumstances that are out of their hands.

Fast food workers just don't flip burgers. They work long hours, deal with shitty customers and sub par pay.

The current minimum wage doesn't even allow to pay towards something better. The minimum wage isn't livable.

McDonald's is a FIRST JOB. What part of that is not comprehensible to you. When has a first job ever been one on which you get married, have children and buy a house?

What is the average income of a household where at least one member of the household works for minimum wage?

People have life circumstances in which they have to take a job in the service industry. I knew a guy in college who's mom got sick. He had to drop out in freshman and take a job as a waiter to support his siblings. With minimum wage he was barely making it.

Ideally working in the service industry should just be for teenagers. But in our capitalist society, that's not the case.

No one is asking for pay yo buy a home. But a wage that you're able yo Iive on without needing food stamps or some assistance is reasonable.

. Yes, people have many different reasons for working in the jobs whether temp or not, and it's up to companies to assess their situations, their yearning to get out of their situations, their work ethic, their loyalty, their showing up on time, their working late when others won't, their consistency and at the least try to reward them according to those valuable assets they bring to the table. Unfortunately for some, they are caught up in a situation where companies are in exploit mode, and they are out to get what they can, and to hell with the employees that work for them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This lack of empathy from the right always enrages me. Most people would love to not work at McDonalds. Most people working in the service industry don't do it because they love it. They do it because they need money and food.

Life deals people bad cards sometimes. A lot of people have family responsibilities, illness and other circumstances that are out of their hands.

Fast food workers just don't flip burgers. They work long hours, deal with shitty customers and sub par pay.

The current minimum wage doesn't even allow to pay towards something better. The minimum wage isn't livable.

McDonald's is a FIRST JOB. What part of that is not comprehensible to you. When has a first job ever been one on which you get married, have children and buy a house?

What is the average income of a household where at least one member of the household works for minimum wage?

People have life circumstances in which they have to take a job in the service industry. I knew a guy in college who's mom got sick. He had to drop out in freshman and take a job as a waiter to support his siblings. With minimum wage he was barely making it.

Ideally working in the service industry should just be for teenagers. But in our capitalist society, that's not the case.

No one is asking for pay yo buy a home. But a wage that you're able yo Iive on without needing food stamps or some assistance is reasonable.

Obviously your friend didn't tell you the entire truth. I know waitresses and waiters, they don't make minimum wage and in fact, do very well with tips.

 

[beagle9]

This lack of empathy from the right always enrages me. Most people would love to not work at McDonalds. Most people working in the service industry don't do it because they love it. They do it because they need money and food.

Life deals people bad cards sometimes. A lot of people have family responsibilities, illness and other circumstances that are out of their hands.

Fast food workers just don't flip burgers. They work long hours, deal with shitty customers and sub par pay.

The current minimum wage doesn't even allow to pay towards something better. The minimum wage isn't livable.

McDonald's is a FIRST JOB. What part of that is not comprehensible to you. When has a first job ever been one on which you get married, have children and buy a house?

What is the average income of a household where at least one member of the household works for minimum wage?

People have life circumstances in which they have to take a job in the service industry. I knew a guy in college who's mom got sick. He had to drop out in freshman and take a job as a waiter to support his siblings. With minimum wage he was barely making it.

Ideally working in the service industry should just be for teenagers. But in our capitalist society, that's not the case.

No one is asking for pay yo buy a home. But a wage that you're able yo Iive on without needing food stamps or some assistance is reasonable.

Obviously your friend didn't tell you the entire truth. I know waitresses and waiters, they don't make minimum wage and in fact, do very well with tips.

. You mean those tips that once upon a time weren't taxed, and those tips that were once upon a time left on the table to reward the waiter or waitress for their quality service given, you mean those tips that have since been stolen from the workers ?

 

[Humorme]

If someone came to a county and wanted a business license, I think that the county commission could say no if the business were not willing to pay their workers.

If the employer creates a job, but isn't going to pay people enough to maintain that area's standard of living, they should not be granted a business permit.

Then those businesses go to the next county that stays the hell out of their business and that county reaps in the tax revenue.

A few years ago our city was considering a huge minimum wage increase. They wanted it $15.00 an hour. Even the liberal council realized what a grave mistake that would have been. They voted it down because they knew businesses would flee Cleveland and reopen in the suburbs.

Since that was a failure, they tried to get the county to have a $15.00 an hour minimum wage. They too refused to go along with the idea for the same reason.

Asked and answered. If people cannot make a realistic wage, they will qualify for welfare, housing subsidies, AFDC, etc. Taxpayers will either pay higher taxes or 15 cents more a meal for a Big Mac.

You speak from an assumption that taxpayers have a responsibility to provide a certain lifestyle to others. That attitude is increasingly being questioned, and circumstances may well change.

I don't have presumptions about anything. Either those who are only able to work certain jobs are paid for their services OR we will cover them.

If your way was THE way, how come it hasn't been done with a stacked Congress (Senate and House) along with the prez. Maybe, deep down, they don't buy the whole talking point?

Perhaps there are still too many Democrats in the Republican Party.

Charity is not nor has ever legally been the venue of the federal government. It is a usurped power.

Paying someone for their work is not charity. And we do provide for those who cannot provide for themselves.

 

[Humorme]

If someone came to a county and wanted a business license, I think that the county commission could say no if the business were not willing to pay their workers.

If the employer creates a job, but isn't going to pay people enough to maintain that area's standard of living, they should not be granted a business permit.

Then those businesses go to the next county that stays the hell out of their business and that county reaps in the tax revenue.

A few years ago our city was considering a huge minimum wage increase. They wanted it $15.00 an hour. Even the liberal council realized what a grave mistake that would have been. They voted it down because they knew businesses would flee Cleveland and reopen in the suburbs.

Since that was a failure, they tried to get the county to have a $15.00 an hour minimum wage. They too refused to go along with the idea for the same reason.

Asked and answered. If people cannot make a realistic wage, they will qualify for welfare, housing subsidies, AFDC, etc. Taxpayers will either pay higher taxes or 15 cents more a meal for a Big Mac.

Which is a good argument for stopping those subsidies for people that want to smoke pot, work low wage jobs, and never try to better themselves.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?