To get a conviction

[RetiredGySgt]

If they really want to convict this guy on these charges, it would be much easier if they had religious people on the Jury that understand some people DO what ever their supposed religious leader tells them with little to no questions asked.

Though I suspect they have a good chance because of her age, a lot of people do understand the younger among us can be convinced to do things that older more experienced people would never do, especially if a powerful figure in their life makes the request or demand.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070913/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_leader

 

[Diuretic]

The prosecution will have expert witnesses to sort this one out. An impartial jury will decide on it, no need to load the jury up.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The prosecution will have expert witnesses to sort this one out. An impartial jury will decide on it, no need to load the jury up.

Has nothing to do with "loading" anything. It has to do with getting justice. I think a lot of people are going to have a hard time buying he caused it to happen and I hope that doesn't happen.

He is entitled to a Jury of his peers, lets give him one.

 

[Diuretic]

Has nothing to do with "loading" anything. It has to do with getting justice. I think a lot of people are going to have a hard time buying he caused it to happen and I hope that doesn't happen.

He is entitled to a Jury of his peers, lets give him one.

Twelve atheists would sort him out.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Twelve atheists would sort him out.

I am not so sure. They are going to be selling this as a Powerful religious figure told her to do it. 12 atheists might have trouble with that concept.

 

[Diuretic]

But the witness's credibility lies in both the prosecution's examination in chief of her, to draw out her evidene and her own ability to withstand cross-examination, that is, to tell the truth in a convincing manner and not to be overly doubted by the jury.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Jillian I am curious about your take on this discussion.

 

[jillian]

Jillian I am curious about your take on this discussion.

I never practiced criminal law, but I think 12 people would understand that this guy manipulated his people in the same manner Charles Manson did. I think this is true regardless of whether they are believers or athiest. In a way, one might say that athiests think religion is brainwashing anyway, so they might be predisposed to holding him responsible.

In other words, I think that if the case is compelling a jury will believe it. It turns on credibility of the experts and the other witnesses.

I'm kind of wondering, though, why they didn't charge conspiracy...much easier to prove than rape by proxy I would think.

 

[Diuretic]

Here he'd probably be charged with procuring under state law.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I just worry that a jury may not buy the charge. Personally it sounds like no sane intelligent person could NOT understand he is guilty but I know how things turn out with complicated charges.

 

[Chips Rafferty]

If they really want to convict this guy on these charges, it would be much easier if they had religious people on the Jury that understand some people DO what ever their supposed religious leader tells them with little to no questions asked.

Though I suspect they have a good chance because of her age, a lot of people do understand the younger among us can be convinced to do things that older more experienced people would never do, especially if a powerful figure in their life makes the request or demand.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070913/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_leader

Your opinion would have been manna from Heaving to WW2 German war criminals, Cap'n.

They could have ALL claimed "O-o-o, de Pastor made me do it!"

 

[Chips Rafferty]

Has nothing to do with "loading" anything. It has to do with getting justice. I think a lot of people are going to have a hard time buying he caused it to happen and I hope that doesn't happen.

He is entitled to a Jury of his peers, lets give him one.

Nice to see that - essentially - we agree on the enormous harm religion does, Cap'n.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Nice to see that - essentially - we agree on the enormous harm religion does, Cap'n.

People using religion CAN do. Not religion it self. Anytime anyone gives up free will to a PERSON it can be dangerous.

 

[trobinett]

People using religion CAN do. Not religion it self. Anytime anyone gives up free will to a PERSON it can be dangerous.

I CERTAINLY agree with THAT statement.......

 

[roomy]

Were you retired on the grounds of your stupidity?

 

[Chips Rafferty]

People using religion CAN do. Not religion it self. Anytime anyone gives up free will to a PERSON it can be dangerous.

And Big Daddy and Big Jewly weren't PERSONS, eh?

I look at it this way. If hundreds, let alone many MILLIONS of people, had suffered immeasurably and died dreadful deaths directly attributable to eating Doughnuts, how long would their sale for human consumption continue to be permitted?

So how come a kid’s fairy tale - compared to the sadomasochistic Bible - like Mein Kampf is banned in many countries but the Bible is considered de rigueur reading for “respectable” people?

At least that decent Catholic dictator, Adolf, didn’t put porn about men with rampant cocks as big as stallions ejaculating enormous gushers of sperm into dusky Semitic demi-mondes in HIS political manifesto!

Compared to Catholicism's saintly, antiseptic Adolf, disgusting Old-man God obviously has a sexually obsessed mind more grubbier than a Bombay sewer!

I mean, what kind of God gets a guy to do his own daughters - in order to perpetuate the supposedly extinct Jewish master race, based on GOD'S false report? You'd think that seeing Lot and God were best buddies, that God would have at least given Lot a bad case of "brewers droop!"

If you ask me, "He" is really into incest videos.

If you think that fellow Moron Warren Jeffs is a pervert for preying on 14 year-old girls, what do you think about God fundamentally RAPING 14-year-old Mary? (Poor ex-Virgin Mary woke up one morning with a sore pussy, a small bag of stale boiled lollies, a belly full of arms and legs called "Jesus," and a bird-guy named Gabriel telling her how lucky she was! )

I think the very least that any purportedly decent society should do with the vile Jewish Bible is classify it as "Mature Adults Only," wrap it in plain brown paper, and sell it from under the counter in sex toy and pornography shops.

If I had my druthers, I’d exterminate all Bible-believin’ drones - before they get a chance to pollute the global gene pool with their clearly sub-human IQ’s.

 

[Dirt McGirt]

If I had my druthers, I’d exterminate all Bible-believin’ drones - before they get a chance to pollute the global gene pool with their clearly sub-human IQ’s.

Hey there's that religious hating, genocide advocating persona of Chips that we're all used to seeing. I'm glad to see you back to your normal stupid self! That Islamofascist sympathizer, terrorist apologist personality thing you had going on was starting to throw me for a loop. For a while there, I couldn't tell if you were turning soft for bleeding heart's sake or faking it for an opportunity to bash America like the born liar that you are. You were crying about war crimes, exasperated peoples crashing planes into buildings, extermination camps, and genocides like you actually cared about human suffering. Nice to see you promoting crimes against humanity again.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And Big Daddy and Big Jewly weren't PERSONS, eh?

I look at it this way. If hundreds, let alone many MILLIONS of people, had suffered immeasurably and died dreadful deaths directly attributable to eating Doughnuts, how long would their sale for human consumption continue to be permitted?

So how come a kid’s fairy tale - compared to the sadomasochistic Bible - like Mein Kampf is banned in many countries but the Bible is considered de rigueur reading for “respectable” people?

At least that decent Catholic dictator, Adolf, didn’t put porn about men with rampant cocks as big as stallions ejaculating enormous gushers of sperm into dusky Semitic demi-mondes in HIS political manifesto!

Compared to Catholicism's saintly, antiseptic Adolf, disgusting Old-man God obviously has a sexually obsessed mind more grubbier than a Bombay sewer!

I mean, what kind of God gets a guy to do his own daughters - in order to perpetuate the supposedly extinct Jewish master race, based on GOD'S false report? You'd think that seeing Lot and God were best buddies, that God would have at least given Lot a bad case of "brewers droop!"

If you ask me, "He" is really into incest videos.

If you think that fellow Moron Warren Jeffs is a pervert for preying on 14 year-old girls, what do you think about God fundamentally RAPING 14-year-old Mary? (Poor ex-Virgin Mary woke up one morning with a sore pussy, a small bag of stale boiled lollies, a belly full of arms and legs called "Jesus," and a bird-guy named Gabriel telling her how lucky she was! )

I think the very least that any purportedly decent society should do with the vile Jewish Bible is classify it as "Mature Adults Only," wrap it in plain brown paper, and sell it from under the counter in sex toy and pornography shops.

If I had my druthers, I’d exterminate all Bible-believin’ drones - before they get a chance to pollute the global gene pool with their clearly sub-human IQ’s.

You are , of course aware that the "Jewish" is the basic religious text of three of the worlds religions, Muslim, Jewish and Christian? That is easily a third or more of the worlds population. Further since it is "religion" you hate we would need to throw in a few more people around the world that have religion of one sort or another.

So your advocating the murder of at least 2 billion people and as much as 4 billion because you don't think there is a God? And you call us ignorant? You call us dangerous? As for IQ's I suggest you do a little research on your bogus claim.

Further Hitler was NOT a Christian leader. Nazi's were not Christians. One doesn't get to lay claim to a religion they violate in every sense of the word. But even if he were, he only killed about 40 million or so directly and indirectly, your advocating the systematic slaughter of half the worlds population cause you just don't like them.

 

[Chips Rafferty]

Hey there's that religious hating, genocide advocating persona of Chips that we're all used to seeing. I'm glad to see you back to your normal stupid self! That Islamofascist sympathizer, terrorist apologist personality thing you had going on was starting to throw me for a loop. For a while there, I couldn't tell if you were turning soft for bleeding heart's sake or faking it for an opportunity to bash America like the born liar that you are. You were crying about war crimes, exasperated peoples crashing planes into buildings, extermination camps, and genocides like you actually cared about human suffering. Nice to see you promoting crimes against humanity again.

Yet again your subconscious biblical brainwashing has you defending the indefensible, Filth.

Try comparing the comparatively reasoned philosophy of Mein Kampf with the vile Bible. Clearly Christians are inclined to evil. “Evil DO those who evil think.”

Only a rabidly biased Christian trash dummy could defend their part in Biblical plans for The Mother of all Holocausts. By their own admission, Christians genuinely believe, and back their pussy phobic Fuhrer’s plans, to murder and burn BILLIONS of sinful (i.e. anyone agin’ Him and them!) Untermensch for all eternity.

Therefore it only stands to reason Christians are far more evil than the most homicidal of Hitler’s Nazis.

Their own Bible records that their genocidal but paradoxically democratic (when it involves His vile followers) deity will change his mind, if even one Reicheous man stands up to Him and His Final Solution.

Anyone with basic perception skills can see Bible-god is a mere monkey-on-string to his sans fascistic father figure followers.

Every day we are fed tales of Him modifying fate for Christchuns who petition Him. In fact, the Bible tells us that it is impossible for Him to refuse their most self-absorbed desires if they address them through Jesus.

Hence it would be a lay-down Misère if the whole of Holy America presented Him with a petition to part-pardon us non-American “sinners” eternal torture sentence and commute it to eternal imprisonment!

But this will never happen because it is patently obvious that Americhrischuns are intrinsically evil.

If you doubt this for one moment, just look up Gulliverian America’s incomparable record of avoiding war with martial equals like the plague, and mass-murdering defenceless Lilliputian *******, chinks, and coloureds – in G-e-e-zus” Holy Name!

If Germans civilians deserved to be barmed back to the Stein Age for their Fuhrer's preemptive strikes against terror, what do YOU deserve, Dirt?

 

[Chips Rafferty]

You are , of course aware that the "Jewish" is the basic religious text of three of the worlds religions, Muslim, Jewish and Christian? That is easily a third or more of the worlds population. Further since it is "religion" you hate we would need to throw in a few more people around the world that have religion of one sort or another.

So your advocating the murder of at least 2 billion people and as much as 4 billion because you don't think there is a God? And you call us ignorant? You call us dangerous? As for IQ's I suggest you do a little research on your bogus claim.

Further Hitler was NOT a Christian leader. Nazi's were not Christians. One doesn't get to lay claim to a religion they violate in every sense of the word. But even if he were, he only killed about 40 million or so directly and indirectly, your advocating the systematic slaughter of half the worlds population cause you just don't like them.

One doesn't get to lay claim to a religion they violate in every sense of the word.

You have encapsulated my whole case against Christchuns in one sentence, Cap'n!