TN Welfare applicants drug tests: 37 out of 16,017 positive (0.2%)

[Nutz]

In the end...it is easy to pass a drug test. Even convicts who are required to take tests know how to beat the system. We should ask Grampa Murked U he is a felon, he would know.

 

[paulitician]

I stand corrected. You are indeed right. I didn't see the end notes. That is then 11%, a higher figure indeed.

However, without having tested all 16,017 applicants, we will never know how many really would have tested positive. We also don't know what kind of profiling they used to decide to only test these 297. So, the figure is probably still quite low.

Thank you for catching my error, it was not intentional.

The System has only been in place for a brief time. So it's too early to brand it a 'failure.' The OP is likely just expressing wishful thinking. He or she desperately hopes it fails. But hey, 37 less Moocher Democrats on the dole could be seen by others as a success. Depends on perspective i guess.

So, you didn't read all of the OP, what? I actually wrote that I am not against the testing at all.

No you misrepresent the facts and spewed the far left drone propaganda..

You really didn't understand the OP, now did you....

Yes, I understood. What part of it do you think I didn't understand? What did I miss?

You quite obviously did not understand it. The testing system in TN is for all who are applying for welfare. What that is supposed to have to do with illegal immigrants is a mystery to me.

Oh, I understood it completely. I read it. I comprehend what I read, thank you. Yes, they tested welfare folks, I read that. But, my question is, "why did they single out the needy, the poor, and the less fortunate? And, what about the illegal immigrants that are being cared for and supported by tax dollars? Hey, why didn't they test everyone in the state that gets a state paycheck? Do you see anything wrong with the picture? Do you see any signs of prejudice?

Well, let's think about this.

Without EXACT bios of the people who were tested, then there is no way any sane person can answer that question, n'est ce pas?

This is about applicants for welfare in TN. Whether they are illegal immigrants receiving welfare, only the testers in TN can answer that question.

Get it?

Oh yes, I do "get it", loud and clear. It's a shame that they single out those that they think may be buying illegal drugs and collecting welfare at the same time. A lot of prejudice going on in that state. I guess those folks think that only the poor and needy are using illegal drugs. And, my guess is that they are doing it because it involves taxpayers' hard earn dollars. I wonder where they think the money comes from to pay city, county, and state workers. And what money is used to pay those giving the test? It's an injustice to single out the poor, the needy, and the less fortunate that depend on government assistance programs to survive. The state should be ashamed and embarrassed to let the word get out about what they're doing.

If you want the Freebies, you'll have to meet requirements. It's as simple as that. If you're not good with that, simply don't ask for the Freebies.

 

[aaronleland]

No, they don't, but it's not hard to pass a piss test. Your best bet is to have somebody you know is clean piss in a small bottle, and hide it in your sock when you go in to take the test. Make sure the urine stays within the range of 91-95 degrees, because they will check the temperature. Also, pour some of the clean piss into the toilet. There's a reason they tell you not to flush the toilet when you take a piss test. I know these things because... a... friend... has had to do it before.

Yup, some people will do almost anything to get a Freebie. That's why i'm ok with giving em tougher requirements.

Most people cheating drug tests are doing it to get a job. That's why I... um... my friend did it. A less harmful drug like weed can stay in your system for about 30 days, while drugs like coke and meth can stay in your system for about a week. The people who are most negatively effected by drug tests are those doing the least dangerous drug. The fact that they are so easy to pass anyways makes them a waste of time and money, in my opinion.

Yep..you can even buy fake urine...it comes with a thermometer to ensure it is at the correct temperature.

You can even buy a fake dick to "piss" the fake urine through.

Sounds funny...but very true. Of course, the process depends on the state and its laws. The state I live in, they allow you to shut the door and you don't have to empty your pockets (for employment). When I lived in KY, you had to empty your pockets, leave the door open and you couldn't flush.

I was applying at a new job this chick I knew was applying at.

She was one of those kinda goth looking chicks. Black lips and eyelashes, all black clothing, net-stocking leggings...

I'm a young male, wearing khakis and a button-up shirt.

I went into the facility, and the only common practice seems to be that they tell you not to flush. I can't remember correctly, but they may have asked me to empty my pockets.

This girl told me later that they told her not to flush, empty her pockets, and take off her shoes.

They do profile. Don't go in looking like an ass.

 

[aaronleland]

It is possible to smoke after work.

You spelled "before" wrong.

 

[Nutz]

Yup, some people will do almost anything to get a Freebie. That's why i'm ok with giving em tougher requirements.

Most people cheating drug tests are doing it to get a job. That's why I... um... my friend did it. A less harmful drug like weed can stay in your system for about 30 days, while drugs like coke and meth can stay in your system for about a week. The people who are most negatively effected by drug tests are those doing the least dangerous drug. The fact that they are so easy to pass anyways makes them a waste of time and money, in my opinion.

Yep..you can even buy fake urine...it comes with a thermometer to ensure it is at the correct temperature.

You can even buy a fake dick to "piss" the fake urine through.

Sounds funny...but very true. Of course, the process depends on the state and its laws. The state I live in, they allow you to shut the door and you don't have to empty your pockets (for employment). When I lived in KY, you had to empty your pockets, leave the door open and you couldn't flush.

I was applying at a new job this chick I knew was applying at.

She was one of those kinda goth looking chicks. Black lips and eyelashes, all black clothing, net-stocking leggings...

I'm a young male, wearing khakis and a button-up shirt.

I went into the facility, and the only common practice seems to be that they tell you not to flush. I can't remember correctly, but they may have asked me to empty my pockets.

This girl told me later that they told her not to flush, empty her pockets, and take off her shoes.

They do profile. Don't go in looking like an ass.

Well yeah...that is true in any situation. Appearance is everything.

 

[aaronleland]

37 less Moocher Democrats on the dole. Looks like Tennessee is onto something. Kudos.

Yes, because Republicans have never been on welfare.

Yes. There are NO Republicans in West Virginia or Alabama. Nope.

Don't hate on us West Virginians just cuz you gotta work for your money.

 

[paulitician]

Yup, some people will do almost anything to get a Freebie. That's why i'm ok with giving em tougher requirements.

Most people cheating drug tests are doing it to get a job. That's why I... um... my friend did it. A less harmful drug like weed can stay in your system for about 30 days, while drugs like coke and meth can stay in your system for about a week. The people who are most negatively effected by drug tests are those doing the least dangerous drug. The fact that they are so easy to pass anyways makes them a waste of time and money, in my opinion.

Yep..you can even buy fake urine...it comes with a thermometer to ensure it is at the correct temperature.

You can even buy a fake dick to "piss" the fake urine through.

Sounds funny...but very true. Of course, the process depends on the state and its laws. The state I live in, they allow you to shut the door and you don't have to empty your pockets (for employment). When I lived in KY, you had to empty your pockets, leave the door open and you couldn't flush.

I was applying at a new job this chick I knew was applying at.

She was one of those kinda goth looking chicks. Black lips and eyelashes, all black clothing, net-stocking leggings...

I'm a young male, wearing khakis and a button-up shirt.

I went into the facility, and the only common practice seems to be that they tell you not to flush. I can't remember correctly, but they may have asked me to empty my pockets.

This girl told me later that they told her not to flush, empty her pockets, and take off her shoes.

They do profile. Don't go in looking like an ass.

They do profile. For me, Marijuana should be considered the same as alcohol. If it's in your system, so be it. It shouldn't prevent someone from getting a janitor job or something like that.

But i guess nothing will change until they legalize it. It's very unfortunate. Too many Citizens rotting away in cages and not getting employed. It is time to overturn the archaic Marijuana laws.

 

[rdean]

Drug Testing Welfare Recipients Is a Waste of Taxpayer Money

It's not about the cost. It's Republicans working to humiliate people who have had unfortunate circumstances. Read some of those stories in the times article. I wonder how many of those vote Republican but are getting screwed over by their party. This Republican Party is all about humiliation and class warfare. Like Mitt said, he wouldn't represent 47%, or nearly half, of America. He was referring to the poor and lower middle class. The GOP base wrongly assumed he was talking about blacks and Hispanics, but he was talking about them. It shows how the propaganda has affected their tiny minds.

 

[paulitician]

Drug Testing Welfare Recipients Is a Waste of Taxpayer Money

It's not about the cost. It's Republicans working to humiliate people who have had unfortunate circumstances. Read some of those stories in the times article. I wonder how many of those vote Republican but are getting screwed over by their party. This Republican Party is all about humiliation and class warfare. Like Mitt said, he wouldn't represent 47%, or nearly half, of America. He was referring to the poor and lower middle class. The GOP base wrongly assumed he was talking about blacks and Hispanics, but he was talking about them. It shows how the propaganda has affected their tiny minds.

Ah, quit yer bitchin. You want the Freebies, you'll have to meet the requirements. If you're not good with that, don't ask for the Freebies. It's as simple as that.

 

[g5000]

I stand corrected. You are indeed right. I didn't see the end notes. That is then 11%, a higher figure indeed.

13 percent.

 

[Sonny Clark]

So, you didn't read all of the OP, what? I actually wrote that I am not against the testing at all.

No you misrepresent the facts and spewed the far left drone propaganda..

Yes, I understood. What part of it do you think I didn't understand? What did I miss?

You quite obviously did not understand it. The testing system in TN is for all who are applying for welfare. What that is supposed to have to do with illegal immigrants is a mystery to me.

Oh, I understood it completely. I read it. I comprehend what I read, thank you. Yes, they tested welfare folks, I read that. But, my question is, "why did they single out the needy, the poor, and the less fortunate? And, what about the illegal immigrants that are being cared for and supported by tax dollars? Hey, why didn't they test everyone in the state that gets a state paycheck? Do you see anything wrong with the picture? Do you see any signs of prejudice?

Well, let's think about this.

Without EXACT bios of the people who were tested, then there is no way any sane person can answer that question, n'est ce pas?

This is about applicants for welfare in TN. Whether they are illegal immigrants receiving welfare, only the testers in TN can answer that question.

Get it?

Oh yes, I do "get it", loud and clear. It's a shame that they single out those that they think may be buying illegal drugs and collecting welfare at the same time. A lot of prejudice going on in that state. I guess those folks think that only the poor and needy are using illegal drugs. And, my guess is that they are doing it because it involves taxpayers' hard earn dollars. I wonder where they think the money comes from to pay city, county, and state workers. And what money is used to pay those giving the test? It's an injustice to single out the poor, the needy, and the less fortunate that depend on government assistance programs to survive. The state should be ashamed and embarrassed to let the word get out about what they're doing.

If you want the Freebies, you'll have to meet requirements. It's as simple as that. If you're not good with that, simply don't ask for the Freebies.

It may NOT be freebies. Some folks work and still qualify for assistance. And, if they work, they're paying into the system through payroll deductions. Also, each time they make a purchase, they're paying sales tax. In addition, if they've ever worked, they have paid into the system. So, what freebies are you talking about here? Hey, the children aren't old enough to work. What about the elderly, the handicapped, the severely disabled? If the parents do drugs, go ahead and punish their children also? By withholding benefits from the parents, they are also withholding benefits from their children. Do you see anything wrong with this picture? Do you see any prejudice here at all? Lets be fair and give the test to everyone, no exceptions. Fair play across the board. If we punish one, punish all. Punish state employees, lawyers, judges, social workers, all of them. Lets see how many can keep their job.

 

[paulitician]

No you misrepresent the facts and spewed the far left drone propaganda..

You quite obviously did not understand it. The testing system in TN is for all who are applying for welfare. What that is supposed to have to do with illegal immigrants is a mystery to me.

Oh, I understood it completely. I read it. I comprehend what I read, thank you. Yes, they tested welfare folks, I read that. But, my question is, "why did they single out the needy, the poor, and the less fortunate? And, what about the illegal immigrants that are being cared for and supported by tax dollars? Hey, why didn't they test everyone in the state that gets a state paycheck? Do you see anything wrong with the picture? Do you see any signs of prejudice?

Well, let's think about this.

Without EXACT bios of the people who were tested, then there is no way any sane person can answer that question, n'est ce pas?

This is about applicants for welfare in TN. Whether they are illegal immigrants receiving welfare, only the testers in TN can answer that question.

Get it?

Oh yes, I do "get it", loud and clear. It's a shame that they single out those that they think may be buying illegal drugs and collecting welfare at the same time. A lot of prejudice going on in that state. I guess those folks think that only the poor and needy are using illegal drugs. And, my guess is that they are doing it because it involves taxpayers' hard earn dollars. I wonder where they think the money comes from to pay city, county, and state workers. And what money is used to pay those giving the test? It's an injustice to single out the poor, the needy, and the less fortunate that depend on government assistance programs to survive. The state should be ashamed and embarrassed to let the word get out about what they're doing.

If you want the Freebies, you'll have to meet requirements. It's as simple as that. If you're not good with that, simply don't ask for the Freebies.

It may NOT be freebies. Some folks work and still qualify for assistance. And, if they work, they're paying into the system through payroll deductions. Also, each time they make a purchase, they're paying sales tax. In addition, if they've ever worked, they have paid into the system. So, what freebies are you talking about here? Hey, the children aren't old enough to work. What about the elderly, the handicapped, the severely disabled? If the parents do drugs, go ahead and punish their children also? By withholding benefits from the parents, they are also withholding benefits from their children. Do you see anything wrong with this picture? Do you see any prejudice here at all? Lets be fair and give the test to everyone, no exceptions. Fair play across the board. If we punish one, punish all. Punish state employees, lawyers, judges, social workers, all of them. Lets see how many can keep their job.

Actually, all you mentioned are also subject to drug testing to gain employment. But like i said, you're free to not ask for the Freebies. If you don't want the requirements, you'll have to forgo the Freebies. It is what it is.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Drug Testing Welfare Recipients Is a Waste of Taxpayer Money

It's not about the cost. It's Republicans working to humiliate people who have had unfortunate circumstances. Read some of those stories in the times article. I wonder how many of those vote Republican but are getting screwed over by their party. This Republican Party is all about humiliation and class warfare. Like Mitt said, he wouldn't represent 47%, or nearly half, of America. He was referring to the poor and lower middle class. The GOP base wrongly assumed he was talking about blacks and Hispanics, but he was talking about them. It shows how the propaganda has affected their tiny minds.

Ah, quit yer bitchin. You want the Freebies, you'll have to meet the requirements. If you're not good with that, don't ask for the Freebies. It's as simple as that.

It may NOT be "freebies". Some folks work and still qualify for assistance programs. Also, some have worked in the past and have paid into the system through payroll deductions. In addition, some benefits are given to children, the elderly, the handicapped, and the severely disabled. Are the children getting "freebies" just because they are way too young to work? Remember, punishing the parents is also punishing the children of those parents. How many workers are in that state that get a paycheck that's funded by taxpayers' hard earn dollars? Is that not the same as taxpayers' dollars funding assistance programs?

 

[Nutz]

Simple solution...welfare 6 months max...after that you are ineligible for 3 years. drug testing is a waste of time and money because the tests are easily fooled. Not to mention...are the other expenses being factored in? The letters being sent out, the phone calls, the staff?

Surely, it isn't a system where you are told weeks ahead of time when you need to show up for your test...so it has to be random. Just nonsense. The money saved, whether astronomical or minimal, could be used for job training, education, tax breaks for the rich.

 

[paulitician]

Lesson learned here?... Don't count on Big Brother to support you and your family. Nothing's really 'Free.' There is a big price to be paid. It's your Freedom & Liberty.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Oh, I understood it completely. I read it. I comprehend what I read, thank you. Yes, they tested welfare folks, I read that. But, my question is, "why did they single out the needy, the poor, and the less fortunate? And, what about the illegal immigrants that are being cared for and supported by tax dollars? Hey, why didn't they test everyone in the state that gets a state paycheck? Do you see anything wrong with the picture? Do you see any signs of prejudice?

Well, let's think about this.

Without EXACT bios of the people who were tested, then there is no way any sane person can answer that question, n'est ce pas?

This is about applicants for welfare in TN. Whether they are illegal immigrants receiving welfare, only the testers in TN can answer that question.

Get it?

Oh yes, I do "get it", loud and clear. It's a shame that they single out those that they think may be buying illegal drugs and collecting welfare at the same time. A lot of prejudice going on in that state. I guess those folks think that only the poor and needy are using illegal drugs. And, my guess is that they are doing it because it involves taxpayers' hard earn dollars. I wonder where they think the money comes from to pay city, county, and state workers. And what money is used to pay those giving the test? It's an injustice to single out the poor, the needy, and the less fortunate that depend on government assistance programs to survive. The state should be ashamed and embarrassed to let the word get out about what they're doing.

If you want the Freebies, you'll have to meet requirements. It's as simple as that. If you're not good with that, simply don't ask for the Freebies.

It may NOT be freebies. Some folks work and still qualify for assistance. And, if they work, they're paying into the system through payroll deductions. Also, each time they make a purchase, they're paying sales tax. In addition, if they've ever worked, they have paid into the system. So, what freebies are you talking about here? Hey, the children aren't old enough to work. What about the elderly, the handicapped, the severely disabled? If the parents do drugs, go ahead and punish their children also? By withholding benefits from the parents, they are also withholding benefits from their children. Do you see anything wrong with this picture? Do you see any prejudice here at all? Lets be fair and give the test to everyone, no exceptions. Fair play across the board. If we punish one, punish all. Punish state employees, lawyers, judges, social workers, all of them. Lets see how many can keep their job.

Actually, all you mentioned are also subject to drug testing to gain employment. But like i said, you're free to not ask for the Freebies. If you don't want the requirements, you'll have to forgo the Freebies. It is what it is.

It may NOT be "freebies". Do you believe that everyone getting some form of government assistance, has never ever worked and paid into the system through payroll deductions? Do you call it "freebies" when little children are helped through assistance programs? Are they old enough to work? If the state punished the parents, are they not also punishing the children of the parents? Do you know that some getting government assistance also work, and contribute through payroll deductions? Who exactly gets "freebies"?

 

[Sonny Clark]

So, you didn't read all of the OP, what? I actually wrote that I am not against the testing at all.

No you misrepresent the facts and spewed the far left drone propaganda..

Yes, I understood. What part of it do you think I didn't understand? What did I miss?

You quite obviously did not understand it. The testing system in TN is for all who are applying for welfare. What that is supposed to have to do with illegal immigrants is a mystery to me.

Oh, I understood it completely. I read it. I comprehend what I read, thank you. Yes, they tested welfare folks, I read that. But, my question is, "why did they single out the needy, the poor, and the less fortunate? And, what about the illegal immigrants that are being cared for and supported by tax dollars? Hey, why didn't they test everyone in the state that gets a state paycheck? Do you see anything wrong with the picture? Do you see any signs of prejudice?

Well, let's think about this.

Without EXACT bios of the people who were tested, then there is no way any sane person can answer that question, n'est ce pas?

This is about applicants for welfare in TN. Whether they are illegal immigrants receiving welfare, only the testers in TN can answer that question.

Get it?

Oh yes, I do "get it", loud and clear. It's a shame that they single out those that they think may be buying illegal drugs and collecting welfare at the same time. A lot of prejudice going on in that state. I guess those folks think that only the poor and needy are using illegal drugs. And, my guess is that they are doing it because it involves taxpayers' hard earn dollars. I wonder where they think the money comes from to pay city, county, and state workers. And what money is used to pay those giving the test? It's an injustice to single out the poor, the needy, and the less fortunate that depend on government assistance programs to survive. The state should be ashamed and embarrassed to let the word get out about what they're doing.

If you want the Freebies, you'll have to meet requirements. It's as simple as that. If you're not good with that, simply don't ask for the Freebies.

Who gets "freebies"? Do you know that many people work and also qualify for assistance? Do you also know that they pay into the system through payroll deductions? Do you know that some getting assistance have worked in the past and have paid into the system through payroll deductions? Do you know that many getting assistance are children, the elderly, the handicapped, and the disabled? Who are the ones getting "freebies"?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Oh, I understood it completely. I read it. I comprehend what I read, thank you. Yes, they tested welfare folks, I read that. But, my question is, "why did they single out the needy, the poor, and the less fortunate? And, what about the illegal immigrants that are being cared for and supported by tax dollars? Hey, why didn't they test everyone in the state that gets a state paycheck? Do you see anything wrong with the picture? Do you see any signs of prejudice?

Well, let's think about this.

Without EXACT bios of the people who were tested, then there is no way any sane person can answer that question, n'est ce pas?

This is about applicants for welfare in TN. Whether they are illegal immigrants receiving welfare, only the testers in TN can answer that question.

Get it?

Oh yes, I do "get it", loud and clear. It's a shame that they single out those that they think may be buying illegal drugs and collecting welfare at the same time. A lot of prejudice going on in that state. I guess those folks think that only the poor and needy are using illegal drugs. And, my guess is that they are doing it because it involves taxpayers' hard earn dollars. I wonder where they think the money comes from to pay city, county, and state workers. And what money is used to pay those giving the test? It's an injustice to single out the poor, the needy, and the less fortunate that depend on government assistance programs to survive. The state should be ashamed and embarrassed to let the word get out about what they're doing.

If you want the Freebies, you'll have to meet requirements. It's as simple as that. If you're not good with that, simply don't ask for the Freebies.

It may NOT be freebies. Some folks work and still qualify for assistance. And, if they work, they're paying into the system through payroll deductions. Also, each time they make a purchase, they're paying sales tax. In addition, if they've ever worked, they have paid into the system. So, what freebies are you talking about here? Hey, the children aren't old enough to work. What about the elderly, the handicapped, the severely disabled? If the parents do drugs, go ahead and punish their children also? By withholding benefits from the parents, they are also withholding benefits from their children. Do you see anything wrong with this picture? Do you see any prejudice here at all? Lets be fair and give the test to everyone, no exceptions. Fair play across the board. If we punish one, punish all. Punish state employees, lawyers, judges, social workers, all of them. Lets see how many can keep their job.

Actually, all you mentioned are also subject to drug testing to gain employment. But like i said, you're free to not ask for the Freebies. If you don't want the requirements, you'll have to forgo the Freebies. It is what it is.

What "freebies" are you talking about? Do you know that some receiving assistance also work, and pay into the system through payroll deductions? Do you also know that many receiving assistance are little children too young to work? Do you know that some receiving assistance have worked in the past and paid into the system through payroll deductions? Do you know that some receiving assistance are elderly, the handicapped, and the severely disabled? Do you also know that if you punish the parents, that you're also punishing the children of those parents? What "freebies" are you talking about?

 

[Brain357]

Drug testing of welfare applicants yields few positives

Six months after the rollout of a controversial law to drug-test people applying for public benefits, only a small fraction of low-income Tennesseans seeking financial assistance have tested positive for illegal drugs.

Thirty-seven of 16,017 applicants for the Families First cash assistance program between July and December tested positive for illegal substances, according to the Department of Human Services.

Another 81 lost their chance to receive benefits because they discontinued the application process at some point between the time they were required to fill out a three-item drug screening questionnaire and completing their application....

...In the first six months of the program, the state spent $5,295 to administer the program, including $4,215 to pay for the drug tests.

So much for the RW meme that all welfare recepients are on drugs.

On the other side, the cost of the testing program is really not very expensive, so assuming $1,000 per month in welfare, with 37 less people, that means $37,000 saved, minus $9,500 for the drug testing = $27,500 saved. Statistically, the drug tests are worth doing.

So what do the people denied welfare do now? Do they get them help to get off drugs?

 

[Statistikhengst]

Drug testing of welfare applicants yields few positives

Six months after the rollout of a controversial law to drug-test people applying for public benefits, only a small fraction of low-income Tennesseans seeking financial assistance have tested positive for illegal drugs.

Thirty-seven of 16,017 applicants for the Families First cash assistance program between July and December tested positive for illegal substances, according to the Department of Human Services.

Another 81 lost their chance to receive benefits because they discontinued the application process at some point between the time they were required to fill out a three-item drug screening questionnaire and completing their application....

...In the first six months of the program, the state spent $5,295 to administer the program, including $4,215 to pay for the drug tests.

So much for the RW meme that all welfare recepients are on drugs.

On the other side, the cost of the testing program is really not very expensive, so assuming $1,000 per month in welfare, with 37 less people, that means $37,000 saved, minus $9,500 for the drug testing = $27,500 saved. Statistically, the drug tests are worth doing.

So what do the people denied welfare do now? Do they get them help to get off drugs?

In fact, there is information about that within the link in the OP.