Time to Call Obama and Kerry What They Are Traitors

[Vigilante]

Worked well with N.Korea, didn't it...brainless!

It also worked well with Iran didn't it?

IF we kept the sanctions on, and did what we were doing... you think those scum in Iran would have done anything? If you do, what would they do?

I'm not sure what your question is.
It sort of looks like English but...

Sorry, it's pictures for dumbasses for you!

What's changed?
You only converse in memes and cartoons anyway.

How about $150 BILLION to start with, you raving idiot! Apparently cartoons are even too nuanced for you!

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Alex 11943764

The either/or dynamic, not a very sophisticated or intelligent way of looking at this.

Why not intelligent? Sophistication is not required. Either you favor killing people to resolve things or you favor giving diplomacy a chance. You obviously prefer the former and detest the latter or you prefer the status quo which was not stopping Iran from enriching their own uranium.

 

[idb]

"Time to Call Obama and Kerry What They Are Traitors"

Kerry has been a Traitor to the United States since the early 1970s when he went to Paris to sit down with the Communist enemies of North Vietnam, taking their plan to undermine the US war effort, bringing those plans back to the US and executing those plans.

He should have been charged, tried, convicted and hung... and if he HAD been, we wouldn't be watching that douche-bag conspire with a Muslim insurgent to license Iran with Nuclear weapons with which to attack the US, our interests and allies.

**** John Kerry ETERNALLY!

But, on the plus side, Iran gets no nuclear weapons and the US doesn't have to lose another war.

Because they are so trust worth, as shown after 55 hostages were held for 444 days! DAMN!!!!

Gosh...I can't wait to hear how it ends...did they get out?!

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

"Is support for the Iran deal dropping? It appears so.

Just two weeks after it was struck, Americans appear to be taking an increasingly negative view of the Iran nuclear deal.

A CNN-ORC poll released Tuesday finds 52 percent of Americans say Congress should reject the deal, while 44 percent want them to approve it. The findings mirror a Pew Research poll released last week and mark the first public polls this year to find majority or plurality opposition to a deal with Iran."

Is support for the Iran deal dropping It appears so. - The Washington Post

Seems people are having "buyers remorse" on this deal. Once they realized Obama supports state sponsored terrorism they had a change of heart.

No, just stupid people like you oppose it. It is what your handlers are telling you to parrot...

The new poll finds a sharp partisan gap on whether Congress should approve the deal, with 66% of Republicans and 55% of independents saying Congress ought to reject it and 61% of Democrats saying it should be approved. Younger adults, who tend to lean more Democratic, are more apt to favor the deal: 53% of those age 18-34 say approve it, while 56% of those age 35 or older say reject it. There is also an education divide on the deal, with 53% of college graduates saying the deal should be approved, while just 37% of those with a high school degree or less formal education saying they think it should be approved.

I am not stupid I just do not approve of giving away any leverage while getting very little in return.

The leverage is still there - it's the threat of future sanctions and the backing of the other negotiating partners.
Iran is the only side that gave anything away.

What leverage?
Russia, China and other Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations
have already stated sanctions against Iran are "unacceptable".
Sanctions against Iran unacceptable Russia China other SCO nations RT News
They are rushing all over themselves to do business with Iran and further sanctions from them are nearly impossible to imagine.

The Batman and Robin of ineffectual diplomacy (Obama and Kerry) have already committed us to a deal that removes all leverage and taken it to the UN
in an attempt to undercut and unduly influence Congress.
It's impossible to see what Iran has "given away" since they get all they wanted and more. All they have to do is wait. The deal is a bullshit sham and as such Obama would be right in considering it one of his shining accomplishments as president.

So, what you're saying is that the sanctions were going to go away anyway?

Nope! Not at all. It was not an inevitability even though Russia and China are always pulling against the West.
Obama and Kerry certainly made it in their interests, however, to end sanctions.
That's all on them.

 

[Vigilante]

"Time to Call Obama and Kerry What They Are Traitors"

Kerry has been a Traitor to the United States since the early 1970s when he went to Paris to sit down with the Communist enemies of North Vietnam, taking their plan to undermine the US war effort, bringing those plans back to the US and executing those plans.

He should have been charged, tried, convicted and hung... and if he HAD been, we wouldn't be watching that douche-bag conspire with a Muslim insurgent to license Iran with Nuclear weapons with which to attack the US, our interests and allies.

**** John Kerry ETERNALLY!

But, on the plus side, Iran gets no nuclear weapons and the US doesn't have to lose another war.

Because they are so trust worth, as shown after 55 hostages were held for 444 days! DAMN!!!!

Gosh...I can't wait to hear how it ends...did they get out?!

Even if I told you, YOU wouldn't understand.... more hand gravy!

 

[Alex.]

Alex 11943764

The either/or dynamic, not a very sophisticated or intelligent way of looking at this.

Why not intelligent? Sophistication is not required. Either you favor killing people to resolve things or you favor giving diplomacy a chance. You obviously detest the latter and prefer the firmer. The third option was status quo which was not deterring Iran at all at enriching uranium.

Those are not the only two ways this could have gone.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Alex 11943764

The either/or dynamic, not a very sophisticated or intelligent way of looking at this.

Why not intelligent? Sophistication is not required. Either you favor killing people to resolve things or you favor giving diplomacy a chance. You obviously detest the latter and prefer the firmer. The third option was status quo which was not deterring Iran at all at enriching uranium.

That's not what our intelligence community was reporting and it's not the meme the leftists were spewing. According to them Iran never wanted, nor was working towards, a nuclear bomb. You guys should get your talking points straight.

 

[idb]

” But with China and Russia both keen to forge new business relationships with Iran, it’s unclear whether reinstating the current level of sanctions will be possible in the future. And unless the U.S. is able to reimpose sanctions with the support of all its partners in the deal, such a threat will be much less potent."

If there were no agreement the current level of China and Russia on sanctions could drop off at any time. This argument is meaningless.

OR... sanctions could have stayed in place indefinitely had the US, France, Germany and the UK provided a united front (which they didn't as Obama and his ***** John Kerry wanted this deal even more than the nut job theocrats in Iran).

The next president (a republican) should keep his supply of bunker busting bombs well stocked. Obama has insured this will be our only response available now that his give away has tied our hands.

And because sanctions were working so well at stopping Iran's nuclear program...and because even if China and Russia decided to drop the sanctions Iran would be so desperate for Big Macs and Starbucks that they would still give up everything...
I can see your logic completely.

 

[Alex.]

"Is support for the Iran deal dropping? It appears so.

Just two weeks after it was struck, Americans appear to be taking an increasingly negative view of the Iran nuclear deal.

A CNN-ORC poll released Tuesday finds 52 percent of Americans say Congress should reject the deal, while 44 percent want them to approve it. The findings mirror a Pew Research poll released last week and mark the first public polls this year to find majority or plurality opposition to a deal with Iran."

Is support for the Iran deal dropping It appears so. - The Washington Post

Seems people are having "buyers remorse" on this deal. Once they realized Obama supports state sponsored terrorism they had a change of heart.

No, just stupid people like you oppose it. It is what your handlers are telling you to parrot...

The new poll finds a sharp partisan gap on whether Congress should approve the deal, with 66% of Republicans and 55% of independents saying Congress ought to reject it and 61% of Democrats saying it should be approved. Younger adults, who tend to lean more Democratic, are more apt to favor the deal: 53% of those age 18-34 say approve it, while 56% of those age 35 or older say reject it. There is also an education divide on the deal, with 53% of college graduates saying the deal should be approved, while just 37% of those with a high school degree or less formal education saying they think it should be approved.

I am not stupid I just do not approve of giving away any leverage while getting very little in return.

The leverage is still there - it's the threat of future sanctions and the backing of the other negotiating partners.
Iran is the only side that gave anything away.

With Russia and China investing themselves in the region? Bullshit!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

But, on the plus side, Iran gets no nuclear weapons and the US doesn't have to lose another war.

So you're either delusional... or you're a liar.

I'd ask which but the thing is, it doesn't matter which it is, because in either case, you're unworthy of trust and being untrustworthy renders your point of view: UNWORTHY OF CONSIDERATION!

 

[idb]

It also worked well with Iran didn't it?

IF we kept the sanctions on, and did what we were doing... you think those scum in Iran would have done anything? If you do, what would they do?

I'm not sure what your question is.
It sort of looks like English but...

Sorry, it's pictures for dumbasses for you!

What's changed?
You only converse in memes and cartoons anyway.

How about $150 BILLION to start with, you raving idiot! Apparently cartoons are even too nuanced for you!

You write a jumble of English-looking words with a question mark at the end and then say that the answer is $150 billion.

You can understand my confusion...try another cartoon if you like.

 

[idb]

"Is support for the Iran deal dropping? It appears so.

Just two weeks after it was struck, Americans appear to be taking an increasingly negative view of the Iran nuclear deal.

A CNN-ORC poll released Tuesday finds 52 percent of Americans say Congress should reject the deal, while 44 percent want them to approve it. The findings mirror a Pew Research poll released last week and mark the first public polls this year to find majority or plurality opposition to a deal with Iran."

Is support for the Iran deal dropping It appears so. - The Washington Post

Seems people are having "buyers remorse" on this deal. Once they realized Obama supports state sponsored terrorism they had a change of heart.

No, just stupid people like you oppose it. It is what your handlers are telling you to parrot...

The new poll finds a sharp partisan gap on whether Congress should approve the deal, with 66% of Republicans and 55% of independents saying Congress ought to reject it and 61% of Democrats saying it should be approved. Younger adults, who tend to lean more Democratic, are more apt to favor the deal: 53% of those age 18-34 say approve it, while 56% of those age 35 or older say reject it. There is also an education divide on the deal, with 53% of college graduates saying the deal should be approved, while just 37% of those with a high school degree or less formal education saying they think it should be approved.

I am not stupid I just do not approve of giving away any leverage while getting very little in return.

The leverage is still there - it's the threat of future sanctions and the backing of the other negotiating partners.
Iran is the only side that gave anything away.

With Russia and China investing themselves in the region? Bullshit!

Russia and China were still on board with the idea of sanctions if Iran breaks the deal.
Another option is that they are not involved in any multilateral policy towards Iran.

 

[Vigilante]

IF we kept the sanctions on, and did what we were doing... you think those scum in Iran would have done anything? If you do, what would they do?

I'm not sure what your question is.
It sort of looks like English but...

Sorry, it's pictures for dumbasses for you!

What's changed?
You only converse in memes and cartoons anyway.

How about $150 BILLION to start with, you raving idiot! Apparently cartoons are even too nuanced for you!

You write a jumble of English-looking words with a question mark at the end and then say that the answer is $150 billion.

You can understand my confusion...try another cartoon if you like.

You don't know "What Changed?" means.... you're simply are too stupid to even reply to... but I will!

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

” But with China and Russia both keen to forge new business relationships with Iran, it’s unclear whether reinstating the current level of sanctions will be possible in the future. And unless the U.S. is able to reimpose sanctions with the support of all its partners in the deal, such a threat will be much less potent."

If there were no agreement the current level of China and Russia on sanctions could drop off at any time. This argument is meaningless.

OR... sanctions could have stayed in place indefinitely had the US, France, Germany and the UK provided a united front (which they didn't as Obama and his ***** John Kerry wanted this deal even more than the nut job theocrats in Iran).

The next president (a republican) should keep his supply of bunker busting bombs well stocked. Obama has insured this will be our only response available now that his give away has tied our hands.

And because sanctions were working so well at stopping Iran's nuclear program...and because even if China and Russia decided to drop the sanctions Iran would be so desperate for Big Macs and Starbucks that they would still give up everything...
I can see your logic completely.

I can't see yours, however.
Progressives and our intelligence community insured everyone Iran didn't want a bomb and wasn't working on one.
Therefore why has Kerry and Obama given away everything to stop Iran from doing something they weren't doing anyway. It makes no sense though that doesn't seem to stop you.

Either Iran has not been working towards their bomb...and this whole elaborate hoax has been to give the impression that Obama is stopping something that never started anyway.
OR Iran HAS secretly been working towards their bomb diligently and Obama has just decided he can't stop them so he'll cave in, put on a good show of looking tough (though most people don't believe he is) and he'll let someone one else clean up his mess down the road... which by far is the most likely scenario.

 

[Bfgrn]

"there are many ways in which this agreement is worrisome. Kerry and Moniz argue convincingly, however, that the arrangement will stymie Iran’s ability to build a nuclear weapon in the short term, which is ultimately better than nothing.

But there are holes in the arguments being put forward by Kerry and his colleagues, who appeared before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Tuesday. Indeed, Kerry and Moniz wrote that, “If Iran fails to meet its responsibilities, sanctions will snap back into place, and no country can stop that from happening.” But with China and Russia both keen to forge new business relationships with Iran, it’s unclear whether reinstating the current level of sanctions will be possible in the future. And unless the U.S. is able to reimpose sanctions with the support of all its partners in the deal, such a threat will be much less potent."

National Post View The Iran nuclear agreement is a sub-optimal deal National Post


The US is left with very little recourse and a strong indication that Iran will do exactly what it wants when it wants.

What you fail to see is that the sanctions were going to come to an end, with or without a deal. America is the only nation that viewed the sanctions as punishment. All the P5+1 partners viewed the sanctions as a tool to force Iran to the bargaining table. China would walk away if America pushed for tougher sanctions, as would ALL the our partners.

Iran HAD to be aware of the cracks forming in the sanctions...making this not just a good deal, it makes it a truly incredible deal...

 

[Alex.]

"Is support for the Iran deal dropping? It appears so.

Just two weeks after it was struck, Americans appear to be taking an increasingly negative view of the Iran nuclear deal.

A CNN-ORC poll released Tuesday finds 52 percent of Americans say Congress should reject the deal, while 44 percent want them to approve it. The findings mirror a Pew Research poll released last week and mark the first public polls this year to find majority or plurality opposition to a deal with Iran."

Is support for the Iran deal dropping It appears so. - The Washington Post

Seems people are having "buyers remorse" on this deal. Once they realized Obama supports state sponsored terrorism they had a change of heart.

No, just stupid people like you oppose it. It is what your handlers are telling you to parrot...

The new poll finds a sharp partisan gap on whether Congress should approve the deal, with 66% of Republicans and 55% of independents saying Congress ought to reject it and 61% of Democrats saying it should be approved. Younger adults, who tend to lean more Democratic, are more apt to favor the deal: 53% of those age 18-34 say approve it, while 56% of those age 35 or older say reject it. There is also an education divide on the deal, with 53% of college graduates saying the deal should be approved, while just 37% of those with a high school degree or less formal education saying they think it should be approved.

I am not stupid I just do not approve of giving away any leverage while getting very little in return.

The leverage is still there - it's the threat of future sanctions and the backing of the other negotiating partners.
Iran is the only side that gave anything away.

With Russia and China investing themselves in the region? Bullshit!

Russia and China were still on board with the idea of sanctions if Iran breaks the deal.
Another option is that they are not involved in any multilateral policy towards Iran.

I highly doubt that given that we have relinquished our leverage with Iran Russia and /or China would be willing to subornate themselves economically.

 

[Bfgrn]

Because they are so trust worth, as shown after 55 hostages were held for 444 days! DAMN!!!!

And they ALL came home alive...DAMN!!!!!

And we helped overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and put a repressive dictator in charge...DOUBLE DAMN!!!

 

[idb]

No, just stupid people like you oppose it. It is what your handlers are telling you to parrot...

The new poll finds a sharp partisan gap on whether Congress should approve the deal, with 66% of Republicans and 55% of independents saying Congress ought to reject it and 61% of Democrats saying it should be approved. Younger adults, who tend to lean more Democratic, are more apt to favor the deal: 53% of those age 18-34 say approve it, while 56% of those age 35 or older say reject it. There is also an education divide on the deal, with 53% of college graduates saying the deal should be approved, while just 37% of those with a high school degree or less formal education saying they think it should be approved.

I am not stupid I just do not approve of giving away any leverage while getting very little in return.

The leverage is still there - it's the threat of future sanctions and the backing of the other negotiating partners.
Iran is the only side that gave anything away.

What leverage?
Russia, China and other Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations
have already stated sanctions against Iran are "unacceptable".
Sanctions against Iran unacceptable Russia China other SCO nations RT News
They are rushing all over themselves to do business with Iran and further sanctions from them are nearly impossible to imagine.

The Batman and Robin of ineffectual diplomacy (Obama and Kerry) have already committed us to a deal that removes all leverage and taken it to the UN
in an attempt to undercut and unduly influence Congress.
It's impossible to see what Iran has "given away" since they get all they wanted and more. All they have to do is wait. The deal is a bullshit sham and as such Obama would be right in considering it one of his shining accomplishments as president.

So, what you're saying is that the sanctions were going to go away anyway?

Nope! Not at all. It was not an inevitability even though Russia and China are always pulling against the West.
Obama and Kerry certainly made it in their interests, however, to end sanctions.
That's all on them.

So, you've made no point at all.
You quoted "
Russia, China and other Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations
have already stated sanctions against Iran are "unacceptable"."
But, now you say that sanctions would likely stay.

But, then, if as you say China and Russia are OK with sanctions (despite your own link), why do you doubt that the threat of sanctions can't work?
You're all over the shop.

 

[Alex.]

"there are many ways in which this agreement is worrisome. Kerry and Moniz argue convincingly, however, that the arrangement will stymie Iran’s ability to build a nuclear weapon in the short term, which is ultimately better than nothing.

But there are holes in the arguments being put forward by Kerry and his colleagues, who appeared before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Tuesday. Indeed, Kerry and Moniz wrote that, “If Iran fails to meet its responsibilities, sanctions will snap back into place, and no country can stop that from happening.” But with China and Russia both keen to forge new business relationships with Iran, it’s unclear whether reinstating the current level of sanctions will be possible in the future. And unless the U.S. is able to reimpose sanctions with the support of all its partners in the deal, such a threat will be much less potent."

National Post View The Iran nuclear agreement is a sub-optimal deal National Post


The US is left with very little recourse and a strong indication that Iran will do exactly what it wants when it wants.

What you fail to see is that the sanctions were going to come to an end, with or without a deal. America is the only nation that viewed the sanctions as punishment. All the P5+1 partners viewed the sanctions as a tool to force Iran to the bargaining table. China would walk away if America pushed for tougher sanctions, as would ALL the our partners.

Iran HAD to be aware of the cracks forming in the sanctions...making this not just a good deal, it makes it a truly incredible deal...

The US gave away the farm without getting anything in return.

 

[idb]

No, just stupid people like you oppose it. It is what your handlers are telling you to parrot...

The new poll finds a sharp partisan gap on whether Congress should approve the deal, with 66% of Republicans and 55% of independents saying Congress ought to reject it and 61% of Democrats saying it should be approved. Younger adults, who tend to lean more Democratic, are more apt to favor the deal: 53% of those age 18-34 say approve it, while 56% of those age 35 or older say reject it. There is also an education divide on the deal, with 53% of college graduates saying the deal should be approved, while just 37% of those with a high school degree or less formal education saying they think it should be approved.

I am not stupid I just do not approve of giving away any leverage while getting very little in return.

The leverage is still there - it's the threat of future sanctions and the backing of the other negotiating partners.
Iran is the only side that gave anything away.

With Russia and China investing themselves in the region? Bullshit!

Russia and China were still on board with the idea of sanctions if Iran breaks the deal.
Another option is that they are not involved in any multilateral policy towards Iran.

I highly doubt that given that we have relinquished our leverage with Iran Russia and /or China would be willing to subornate themselves economically.

Oh, so now you're saying that you don't trust Russia or China?