Time to attack iran

Here is a great article on why iran needs to be attacked ASAP. Rather than respond emotionally, as have so many here have done recently, I would like to see posters come up with point-by-point responses why Bolton's assessment is inaccurate.

washingtonpost.com

By John R. Bolton
Thursday, July 2, 2009
With Iran's hard-line mullahs and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps unmistakably back in control, Israel's decision of whether to use military force against Tehran's nuclear weapons program is more urgent than ever.

Iran's nuclear threat was never in doubt during its presidential campaign, but the post-election resistance raised the possibility of some sort of regime change. That prospect seems lost for the near future or for at least as long as it will take Iran to finalize a deliverable nuclear weapons capability.

Accordingly, with no other timely option, the already compelling logic for an Israeli strike is nearly inexorable. Israel is undoubtedly ratcheting forward its decision-making process. President Obama is almost certainly not.

He still wants "engagement" (a particularly evocative term now) with Iran's current regime. Last Thursday, the State Department confirmed that Secretary Hillary Clinton spoke to her Russian and Chinese counterparts about "getting Iran back to negotiating on some of these concerns that the international community has." This is precisely the view of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, reflected in the Group of Eight communique the next day. Sen. John Kerry thinks the recent election unpleasantness in Tehran will delay negotiations for only a few weeks.

Obama administration sources have opined (anonymously) that Iran will be more eager to negotiate than it was before its election in order to find "acceptance" by the "international community." Some leaks indicated that negotiations had to produce results by the U.N. General Assembly's opening in late September, while others projected that they had until the end of 2009 to show progress. These gauzy scenarios assume that the Tehran regime cares about "acceptance" or is somehow embarrassed by eliminating its enemies. Both propositions are dubious.

Obama will nonetheless attempt to jump-start bilateral negotiations with Iran, though time is running out even under the timetables leaked to the media. There are two problems with this approach. First, Tehran isn't going to negotiate in good faith. It hasn't for the past six years with the European Union as our surrogates, and it won't start now. As Clinton said on Tuesday, Iran has "a huge credibility gap" because of its electoral fraud. Second, given Iran's nuclear progress, even if the stronger sanctions Obama has threatened could be agreed upon, they would not prevent Iran from fabricating weapons and delivery systems when it chooses, as it has been striving to do for the past 20 years. Time is too short, and sanctions failed long ago.

Only those most theologically committed to negotiation still believe Iran will fully renounce its nuclear program. Unfortunately, the Obama administration has a "Plan B," which would allow Iran to have a "peaceful" civil nuclear power program while publicly "renouncing" the objective of nuclear weapons. Obama would define such an outcome as "success," even though in reality it would hardly be different from what Iran is doing and saying now. A "peaceful" uranium enrichment program, "peaceful" reactors such as Bushehr and "peaceful" heavy-water projects like that under construction at Arak leave Iran with an enormous breakout capability to produce nuclear weapons in very short order. And anyone who believes the Revolutionary Guard Corps will abandon its weaponization and ballistic missile programs probably believes that there was no fraud in Iran's June 12 election. See "huge credibility gap," supra.

In short, the stolen election and its tumultuous aftermath have dramatically highlighted the strategic and tactical flaws in Obama's game plan. With regime change off the table for the coming critical period in Iran's nuclear program, Israel's decision on using force is both easier and more urgent. Since there is no likelihood that diplomacy will start or finish in time, or even progress far enough to make any real difference, there is no point waiting for negotiations to play out. In fact, given the near certainty of Obama changing his definition of "success," negotiations represent an even more dangerous trap for Israel.

Those who oppose Iran acquiring nuclear weapons are left in the near term with only the option of targeted military force against its weapons facilities. Significantly, the uprising in Iran also makes it more likely that an effective public diplomacy campaign could be waged in the country to explain to Iranians that such an attack is directed against the regime, not against the Iranian people. This was always true, but it has become even more important to make this case emphatically, when the gulf between the Islamic revolution of 1979 and the citizens of Iran has never been clearer or wider. Military action against Iran's nuclear program and the ultimate goal of regime change can be worked together consistently.

Otherwise, be prepared for an Iran with nuclear weapons, which some, including Obama advisers, believe could be contained and deterred. That is not a hypothesis we should seek to test in the real world. The cost of error could be fatal.

The writer, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from August 2005 to December 2006 and is the author of "Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad."

Here is a great article on why iran needs to be attacked ASAP.

I'm sorry for your brain damage. I have a friend that fell down and hurt her head. She was confused for a couple of years. She is fine now. That should give you hope.
 
I'm sorry for your brain damage. I have a friend that fell down and hurt her head. She was confused for a couple of years. She is fine now. That should give you hope.

No surprise here, the far left dung makes a personal attack, rather than deal with facts or points contained in the posted article.

It must be very hard for you to cash that welfare check covered by my quarterly tax payments, isn't it simpleton?
 
I'm sorry for your brain damage. I have a friend that fell down and hurt her head. She was confused for a couple of years. She is fine now. That should give you hope.

No surprise here, the far left dung makes a personal attack, rather than deal with facts or points contained in the posted article.

That's a joke right?
 
I'm sorry for your brain damage. I have a friend that fell down and hurt her head. She was confused for a couple of years. She is fine now. That should give you hope.

No surprise here, the far left dung makes a personal attack, rather than deal with facts or points contained in the posted article.

That's a joke right?

From the dimwit spammer who STILL cannot address the basic question raised like 4 threads ago - a question highlighted in my sig just in case you forgot about it - you're really are not in much of a position to be questioning or commenting on anyone, or anything...
 
No surprise here, the far left dung makes a personal attack, rather than deal with facts or points contained in the posted article.

That's a joke right?

From the dimwit spammer who STILL cannot address the basic question raised like 4 threads ago - a question highlighted in my sig just in case you forgot about it - you're really are not in much of a position to be questioning or commenting on anyone, or anything...

You're in no position to scold anyone for personally attacking you, when all you've done since your arrival here is insult me and others as well.
 
I'm sorry for your brain damage. I have a friend that fell down and hurt her head. She was confused for a couple of years. She is fine now. That should give you hope.

No surprise here, the far left dung makes a personal attack, rather than deal with facts or points contained in the posted article.

It must be very hard for you to cash that welfare check covered by my quarterly tax payments, isn't it simpleton?

As dumb as you are I'm suprised the don't make you post a bond for tax payment.
 
As dumb as you are I'm suprised the don't make you post a bond for tax payment.

Asshole, either debate on the points or STFU already, another **** who cannot stay on topic.

Asshole, either debate on the points or STFU already, another **** who cannot stay on topic.

Attack Iran? Here is your main point. You are a fear mongering war mongering fucking moron.

Like it or not I will be here, Gunny willing, to push back against your kind of stupidity.
 
We don't need to be starting anymore wars in other people's countries until problems here at home is fixed. We have an economy in the pooper. Our education systems needs a makeover. We need better healthcare plans that people can actually afford.

I don't want my tax dollars going to anymore wars when we need that money for here at home. too much of our tax dollars have already gone to Iraq.
 
Attack Iran? Here is your main point. You are a fear mongering war mongering fucking moron.Like it or not I will be here, Gunny willing, to push back against your kind of stupidity.

Its too bad Gunny can't just remove people for their stupidity, you'd be the first one gone...

I am not the one illegally developing nuclear weapons, threatening other nations, supplying terrorists to conduct attacks against civilians in FOUR other countries, no that's iran.

You're the emotional-driven asshole who cannot provide an iota of substance to any posts, I feel bad for liberals to have mentally-limited garbage like you on their team that they have to contantly apologize for... :cuckoo:
 
We don't need to be starting anymore wars in other people's countries until problems here at home is fixed. We have an economy in the pooper. Our education systems needs a makeover. We need better healthcare plans that people can actually afford.

I don't want my tax dollars going to anymore wars when we need that money for here at home. too much of our tax dollars have already gone to Iraq.

That's a nice sentiment, but then you get iran to stop fomenting wars in other people's countries, like lebanon, israel, afghanistan and iraq.

I find it hilarious that the very same people screeching about the US' "dirty" wars and covert ops in places like south america are the ones apologising or simply outright ignoring what iran is doing.

The FACT that iran is trying to hegemonically control the middle east is of no concern to you?

That's funny, because the arab muslims in the Gulf are VERY concerned...
 
That's a nice sentiment, but then how do you get iran to stop fomenting wars in other people's countries, like lebanon, israel, afghanistan and iraq.
How do we get America to stop formenting war in other people's countries, like Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Afghanstain, and many others??
 
How do we get America to stop formenting war in other people's countries, like Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Afghanstain, and many others??

LOL, you walked right into this one, moron do the one thing you cannot do in iran, namely VOTE for the elected official you select, and actually have them enter the government.
 
Attack Iran? Here is your main point. You are a fear mongering war mongering fucking moron.Like it or not I will be here, Gunny willing, to push back against your kind of stupidity.

Its too bad Gunny can't just remove people for their stupidity, you'd be the first one gone...

I am not the one illegally developing nuclear weapons, threatening other nations, supplying terrorists to conduct attacks against civilians in FOUR other countries, no that's iran.

You're the emotional-driven asshole who cannot provide an iota of substance to any posts, I feel bad for liberals to have mentally-limited garbage like you on their team that they have to contantly apologize for... :cuckoo:

Yes it is! You would have gone long ago. Seems that with you, stupidity knows no bounds.
Fucking sabre rattling armchair warrior!
 
How do we get America to stop formenting war in other people's countries, like Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Afghanstain, and many others??

LOL, you walked right into this one, moron do the one thing you cannot do in iran, namely VOTE for the elected official you select, and actually have them enter the government.
RhodesStupid, the Iranian election had an 85% voter turn out.

FACT; The highest voter turn out of any democratic country in any election.

The people voted in Ahmadinejah in a landslide election.

Just face it. He is wildly popular and the clear winner!!! :eusa_angel:
 

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