Zone1 Time to accept Jane Fonda's apology? Maybe.......

[rightwinger]

Actually, to most Vietnam vets primarily care that the government sold us out in favor of idiots and leeches like Fonda. We had no choice in being there and just wanted to get out in one piece.

You were screwed and sent to an unnecessary war by politicians and Generals
Not your fault

 

[Catman51]

Fonda contributed to no deaths, she saved lives

Those who supported the war are responsible for 60,000 deaths

Do you often eat the BS the liberals post for you? Just what lives did she save? She gave motive to the NVN to continue to fight harder than they had before, thus costing lives. If you don't realize this, you were not there.

 

[rightwinger]

Do you often eat the BS the liberals post for you? Just what lives did she save? She gave motive to the NVN to continue to fight harder than they had before, thus costing lives. If you don't realize this, you were not there.

Fonda and her fellow protestors turned the tide of public support to the point where the politicians had no choice but to end a senseless war

 

[Catman51]

You were screwed and sent to an unnecessary war by politicians and Generals
Not your fault

Yet many of us (most) were volunteers for the service, and thus had a choice. Once again you prove you know nothing of this thread.

 

[Catman51]

Fonda and her fellow protestors turned the tide of public support to the point where the politicians had no choice but to end a senseless war

You mean that they were traitors who got a lot of press?

 

[rightwinger]

You mean that they were traitors who got a lot of press?

Vietnam protestors were PATRIOTS fighting against a senseless war

Those who supported the war and escalated the conflict were TRAITORS

 

[Catman51]

Vietnam protestors were PATRIOTS fighting against a senseless war

Those who supported the war and escalated the conflict were TRAITORS

Shows what you truly are/were on this subject. In my opinion, anyone who never had any skin in the game has no right to hold opinions such as you old. The old saying, "walk a mile in my shoes" seems to apply here.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Mac-7
Ho was a hero to the communists

But not to Christians, capitalists and those who love freedom

And dont forget the millions of peasants and others who didnt care either way

The state of South Vietnam itself was so incredibly shambolic, so unrepresentative of the will of the vietnamese people that the US government often feared the whole state would collapse during periods of peace, without any guerrilla activity in the South, under the weight of its own unbelievable lack of representativeness.

The endless succession of failed south vietnamese governments were the living proof of it.

 

[rightwinger]

Shows what you truly are/were on this subject. In my opinion, anyone who never had any skin in the game has no right to hold opinions such as you old. The old saying, "walk a mile in my shoes" seems to apply here.

EVERY American had skin in the game
Comes with being a citizen

By your definition, did those sending soldiers to fight in Vietnam have skin in the game?

 

[JoeB131]

Ho was a hero to the communists

But not to Christians, capitalists and those who love freedom

And dont forget the millions of peasants and others who didnt care either way

So Christians and Capitalists... who were small minorities in Vietnam and associated with the hated French occupiers.

The Peasants DID care that Ho chased out the French, and Diem and Ky collaborated with them.

She contributed to the deaths of many brave troops with her action and provided press for the N Vietnamese. I know, I was there.

So how did she contribute, exactly? By July 1972, most of the US troops had already been withdrawn. Nixon was desperately looking for a way out.

Are you a Vietnam vet? if not, you have no legs to stand on for your statements. If you are, one of the leeches obviously got into your brain.

I'm a vet. Little too early for me.
But the same questions remain, is anyone today arguing the Vietnam War was a good idea.

 

[JoeB131]

1981?..............Her trip to Vietnam was in 1972........

She had 4 massive hits well after that....you have no case......

By 1981, the "Stabbed in the Back" Myth was fully in effect (just like the "Stabbed in the back" myth didn't come into it's own in Germany until well after WWI ended. That's when her career went south, and people stopped calling her agent.

She was a woman, getting older, and her career matched the same path as most actors.........you really have nothing to work with here.....

She was 44 when the blacklisting came in 1981. Hardly an "old lady".

Fonda was hit by Cancel Culture

 

[Mac-7]

So Christians and Capitalists... who were small minorities in Vietnam and associated with the hated French occupiers.

The Peasants DID care that Ho chased out the French, and Diem and Ky collaborated with them.



So how did she contribute, exactly? By July 1972, most of the US troops had already been withdrawn. Nixon was desperately looking for a way out.


I'm a vet. Little too early for me.
But the same questions remain, is anyone today arguing the Vietnam War was a good idea.

Christians were not a tiny minority in South Vietnam

And the French were not universally hated in the South except by the communists

 

[JoeB131]

Do you often eat the BS the liberals post for you? Just what lives did she save? She gave motive to the NVN to continue to fight harder than they had before, thus costing lives. If you don't realize this, you were not there.

It was their country, they were never going to stop fighting.
Look at Afghanistan. We were in there for 20 years, they never stopped fighting, we just got tired and left.

Fonda and her fellow protestors turned the tide of public support to the point where the politicians had no choice but to end a senseless war

Uh, Fonda's trip happened in July 1972. by that point, 60% of the public had turned on the war and Nixon was desperately looking for an exit.

 

[JoeB131]

Christians were not a tiny minority in South Vietnam

And the French were not universally hated in the South except by the communists

The French were completely hated by the Vietnamese.

You don't seem to get this NOBODY LIKES IT WHEN FOREIGNERS OCCUPY YOUR COUNTRY. Shit, you lose your marbles because we have a few Mexicans here cleaning toilets, you'd be really upset if they were actually running the country and had troops on every corner.

Only 7% of Vietnam's population is Catholic.

 

[miketx]

Here's the problem.

Ultimately, Jane Fonda was right. The war in Vietnam was a terrible idea and almost no one today actually claims otherwise. Democrats blame Ike and Nixon, Republicans blame JFK and LBJ. No one really wants credit for the policy.

If it weren't for protestors like Fonda, the Vietnam War would have dragged on for decades like Afghanistan did (where no one really questioned it because everyone involved was a volunteer and the rest of us meekly "Supported the troops" without questioning the policy.)

Despite that, Fonda became Box Office Poison by 1985 when Americans settled into their own version of the Dolchstoßlegende and concluded that we "lost" Vietnam not because we were trying to impose a government on the Vietnamese they didn't want, but because the hippies stabbed the brave troops in the back.

This is quite a bit different than merely apologizing for 400 years of slavery and Jim Crow. Merely apologizing isn't enough, we need to do something to make it right.

Lol, the never ending fail of left traitors...

 

[miketx]

The French were completely hated by the Vietnamese.

You don't seem to get this NOBODY LIKES IT WHEN FOREIGNERS OCCUPY YOUR COUNTRY. Shit, you lose your marbles because we have a few Mexicans here cleaning toilets, you'd be really upset if they were actually running the country and had troops on every corner.

Only 7% of Vietnam's population is Catholic.

A few? Lying sack of shit!

 

[rightwinger]

Lol, the never ending fail of left traitors...

The TRAITORS were the ones who lied and pushed a senseless war
60,000 Americans died
2 million Vietnamese died

 

[miketx]

The TRAITORS were the ones who lied and pushed a senseless war
60,000 Americans died
2 million Vietnamese died

Talking about you, scumbag.

 

[Mac-7]

The French were completely hated by the Vietnamese.

You don't seem to get this NOBODY LIKES IT WHEN FOREIGNERS OCCUPY YOUR COUNTRY. Shit, you lose your marbles because we have a few Mexicans here cleaning toilets, you'd be really upset if they were actually running the country and had troops on every corner.

Only 7% of Vietnam's population is Catholic.

The Catholic percentage of S Vietnam in 1965 was far higher than 7%

Including 650,000 Catholics who fled north vietnam under Ho Chi min

 

[JoeB131]

The Catholic percentage of S Vietnam in 1965 was far higher than 7%

Including 650,000 Catholics who fled north vietnam under Ho Chi min

But that was the point, Ho wasn't oppressing them, the Church announced "God is Going South" and the slim population of Catholics relocated. Then they had to learn to deal when they found out that the South wasn't keen on being occuppied, either.