Three gun control proposals that will actually work

[RDD_1210]

Bravo Rabbi, good place to start. Another suggestion would be most states do not allow guns in the same residence with a convicted felon. Extend that to the mentally ill.

What is "mentally ill"? Depression diagnosis? Schizophrenic diagnosis? Prescription for psychoactive meds? I dont even know how you enforce such a thing.

Don't get nervous. I know this is getting dangerously close to including you, but don't worry we aren't changing shit in this country.

 

[Rustic]

Did gun control work in Australia?

John Howard, who served as prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, is no one's idea of a lefty. He was one of George W. Bush's closest allies, enthusiastically backing the Iraq intervention, and took a hard line domestically against increased immigration and union organizing (pdf).

But one of Howard's other lasting legacies is Australia's gun control regime, first passed in 1996 in response to a massacre in Tasmania that left 35 dead. The law banned semiautomatic and automatic rifles and shotguns. It also instituted a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons.

On Wednesday, Howard took to the Melbourne daily the Age to call on the United States, in light of the Aurora, Colo., massacre, to follow in Australia's footsteps. "There are many American traits which we Australians could well emulate to our great benefit," he concluded. "But when it comes to guns, we have been right to take a radically different path."

So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness.

This is what you want? Well, that is what you people are going to get with your continued idiocy concerning the proliferation of firearms in this nation. And when it happens, it will happen exactly as in Australia. A final straw that offends everyone so badly that they simply override the stupidity of the NRA and GOP.

This is the stupidest thing ever... Those a$$holes over there confiscated all guns from everyone. They try and do that here they're is going to being so many dead people on both sides of the issue there will not be enough body bags in all the world to suffice. Australia has a fraction of the population of here and everything about that country is different than here.

So, it is irrelevant what they did over there... Best to ignore this example.

 

[OKTexas]

Did gun control work in Australia?

John Howard, who served as prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, is no one's idea of a lefty. He was one of George W. Bush's closest allies, enthusiastically backing the Iraq intervention, and took a hard line domestically against increased immigration and union organizing (pdf).

But one of Howard's other lasting legacies is Australia's gun control regime, first passed in 1996 in response to a massacre in Tasmania that left 35 dead. The law banned semiautomatic and automatic rifles and shotguns. It also instituted a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons.

On Wednesday, Howard took to the Melbourne daily the Age to call on the United States, in light of the Aurora, Colo., massacre, to follow in Australia's footsteps. "There are many American traits which we Australians could well emulate to our great benefit," he concluded. "But when it comes to guns, we have been right to take a radically different path."

So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness.

This is what you want? Well, that is what you people are going to get with your continued idiocy concerning the proliferation of firearms in this nation. And when it happens, it will happen exactly as in Australia. A final straw that offends everyone so badly that they simply override the stupidity of the NRA and GOP.

You're forgetting about that pesky 2nd Amendment, want to abolish it, go ahead, try.

 

[OKTexas]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill follow gun laws? NO.
Can YOU show a link where the mentally ill pick zones that ALLOW guns on purpose? Again I think not.
Can you post a link to a gun show where everybody has guns and a shooter bursts in and kills 9, OR 6, how about 3? You can't do that either.

Why would the mentally I'll worry about other people being armed ? They're crazy , they won't give a shit .

Yep, and then there was the mall shooter who took his self out as soon as he was confronted by a CHL holder. Go figure.

 

[kaz]

1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.

You had me until the private property. Why should you just not make your own decision whether to enter someone else's private property based on their gun and other rules? Making them more liable is ridiculous

 

[kaz]

You will never ever change the "minds" of these gun control retards. All we can do is point and laugh at their stupidity and give money to the NRA. You can't fix stupid, all we can do is take steps to make sure they don't win.

No right is unlimited, including gun rights. Fixing stupid is recognizing that a certain amount of gun control is rational.

What other Constitutional rights are restricted when you have done nothing wrong?

 

[Politico]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

There is a mental illness problem yes. But don't be an idiot. Why do you think there haven't been any mass shootings at banks, gun ranges or the White House? Because they know they would go down in a hail of gunfire that's why.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bravo Rabbi, good place to start. Another suggestion would be most states do not allow guns in the same residence with a convicted felon. Extend that to the mentally ill.

What is "mentally ill"? Depression diagnosis? Schizophrenic diagnosis? Prescription for psychoactive meds? I dont even know how you enforce such a thing.

Don't get nervous. I know this is getting dangerously close to including you, but don't worry we aren't changing shit in this country.

At least some semblence of reality sinks into that black hole on your shoudlers.
Yes, we arent putting in more restrictive gun laws. People have finally wised up that they dont work. When will you?

 

[The Rabbi]

1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.

You had me until the private property. Why should you just not make your own decision whether to enter someone else's private property based on their gun and other rules? Making them more liable is ridiculous

Property owners take responsibility for their decisions. Since most mass shootings occur in gun free zones they should know that posting their property creates dangerous conditions.

 

[Geaux4it]

Did gun control work in Australia?

John Howard, who served as prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, is no one's idea of a lefty. He was one of George W. Bush's closest allies, enthusiastically backing the Iraq intervention, and took a hard line domestically against increased immigration and union organizing (pdf).

But one of Howard's other lasting legacies is Australia's gun control regime, first passed in 1996 in response to a massacre in Tasmania that left 35 dead. The law banned semiautomatic and automatic rifles and shotguns. It also instituted a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons.

On Wednesday, Howard took to the Melbourne daily the Age to call on the United States, in light of the Aurora, Colo., massacre, to follow in Australia's footsteps. "There are many American traits which we Australians could well emulate to our great benefit," he concluded. "But when it comes to guns, we have been right to take a radically different path."

So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness.

This is what you want? Well, that is what you people are going to get with your continued idiocy concerning the proliferation of firearms in this nation. And when it happens, it will happen exactly as in Australia. A final straw that offends everyone so badly that they simply override the stupidity of the NRA and GOP.

But Australia is not America and we have a Bill of Rights

That's all we needed to protect us from the likes of you and the left...

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)

Do you happen to know the min and max go/no go headspace for the 30-06, without looking it up?

That is why we use a go, no go gauge

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

You will never ever change the "minds" of these gun control retards. All we can do is point and laugh at their stupidity and give money to the NRA. You can't fix stupid, all we can do is take steps to make sure they don't win.

No right is unlimited, including gun rights. Fixing stupid is recognizing that a certain amount of gun control is rational.

We have enough infringements, or controls as you calm them, already. No need for more laws which don't work and or not enforced

-Geaux

 

[kaz]

1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.

You had me until the private property. Why should you just not make your own decision whether to enter someone else's private property based on their gun and other rules? Making them more liable is ridiculous

Property owners take responsibility for their decisions. Since most mass shootings occur in gun free zones they should know that posting their property creates dangerous conditions.

So you are free to chose not to go on their property since they are informing you before you do what their policy is on their own property. Why are you not capable of making that choice yourself? Why do you need government to take care of you?

 

[The Rabbi]

A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)

Do you happen to know the min and max go/no go headspace for the 30-06, without looking it up?

That is why we use a go, no go gauge

-Geaux

Guntrainer has forgotten more about guns than most people learn in a lifetime.

 

[The Rabbi]

1) Repeal the 1968 Gun Control act. This Act has totally failed at its purpose of keeping guns from the hands of criminals. The only thing criminal here is the criminalizing of otherwise legal behavior. We have had nearly 50 years of experience with this law. It doesnt work. It needs to go, period.
2) Treat mass shooting perpetrators like rape victims. Ever see a rape victim's name in the paper? No, of course not. Mass shooters should get the same anonymous treatment. Since man of them are motivated by getting their 15 minutes, the knowledge they will get nothing but an obscure grave or jail cell will discourage this kind of celebrity seeking
3) Outlaw public gun free zones, and make private ones liable for shootings on their property. Virtually every mass shooting in this country in the last 20 years has happened in a gun free zone. They dont work. Period. No public property should be off limits to law abiding citizens with guns. Private property should be able to post No Guns, but if a criminal shoots someone who could have had a gun and doesnt the property owner should get sued.

You had me until the private property. Why should you just not make your own decision whether to enter someone else's private property based on their gun and other rules? Making them more liable is ridiculous

Property owners take responsibility for their decisions. Since most mass shootings occur in gun free zones they should know that posting their property creates dangerous conditions.

So you are free to chose not to go on their property since they are informing you before you do what their policy is on their own property. Why are you not capable of making that choice yourself? Why do you need government to take care of you?

It's not about government taking care of you. Get Ron Paul's dick out of your mouth for a second. If a store owner creates a dangerous situation and things go bad you should have recourse to the courts for relief. Simple concept.

 

[LoneLaugher]

" the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent,"

What WEAPON replaced the gun? What METHOD of people committing suicide switch to? Those deaths did NOT just disappear, they were merely REPLACED by other weapons and methods.

You do not know what you are talking about.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

There is a mental illness problem yes. But don't be an idiot. Why do you think there haven't been any mass shootings at banks, gun ranges or the White House? Because they know they would go down in a hail of gunfire that's why.

Damn....that's stupid.

 

[kaz]

It's not about government taking care of you. Get Ron Paul's dick out of your mouth for a second. If a store owner creates a dangerous situation and things go bad you should have recourse to the courts for relief. Simple concept.

Ron Paul? What does he have to do with anything?

So if you are saying a gun free zone is automatically a risk, you accepted that risk by going there, you can't have it both ways, Sparky.

It's private property. Don't like the rules don't go there. Don't turn your manhood over to government

 

[The Rabbi]

It's not about government taking care of you. Get Ron Paul's dick out of your mouth for a second. If a store owner creates a dangerous situation and things go bad you should have recourse to the courts for relief. Simple concept.

Ron Paul? What does he have to do with anything?

So if you are saying a gun free zone is automatically a risk, you accepted that risk by going there, you can't have it both ways, Sparky.

It's private property. Don't like the rules don't go there. Don't turn your manhood over to government

Sorry, doesnt work that way. Property owners are liable for damage/injury occurring on their property when they knowingly create dangerous situations.

 

[Politico]

Weak sauce.

Outlaw public gun free zones. Yes.....that's going to solve the mental illness issue that the next whack job has. He's going to not go on a shooting rampage because there might be a gun in the vicinity.

Brilliant thinking.

Worried about security in a given place? Hand out firearms to every person. It's a sure way for all to remain safe.

There is a mental illness problem yes. But don't be an idiot. Why do you think there haven't been any mass shootings at banks, gun ranges or the White House? Because they know they would go down in a hail of gunfire that's why.

Damn....that's stupid.

No it's a fact.