Threats to those after Trump attacks them

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Speaking of reckless communication. Who is the poster Kelso blaming with his assertion --"what you said about the BLM riots"?
Specifically.
An individual poster on this venue?
Democrats in general?
Liberals? Academics? Police?
Folks sympathetic with the sentiments against police brutality against unarmed black men?
Who?
Specifically.

I'm blaming the entire Left wing for those riots.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

I had not heard or read that. What vetting can you offer the forum?
What has been reported was that Hodgkinson was an unpaid volunteer to the Sander's Iowa campaign. No mention of being 'staff'.

But more to the point, are you in support of the poster Votto's suggestion that Bernie sent this man to kill Republican legislators?

Of course I can vett that...

Alleged gunman James Hodgkinson volunteered on Bernie Sanders' campaign

Sanders: "I am sickened by this despicable act."

www.usatoday.com

 

[MinTrut]

Conservatives are violent?

Apparently, a random apology from some faceless/nameless Democrat dupe will make it all better.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[bripat9643]

You mean like Biden?

You're joking, right?

Lawrence Tribe is a sleazy leftwing douchebag.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You mean like Biden?

You're joking, right?

Lawrence Tribe is a sleazy leftwing douchebag.

Lawrence Trib is a Constitutional Scholar. A subject you know nothing about. Start applying to a Law School near you.

But here is what Republican Constitutional Scholars say:


Who are these “constitutional scholars” feeding Trump this radical view? Johnny McEntee, a 31-year-old former college football player with no legal training, sent a “memo” by text message to Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, claiming that “Jefferson Used His Position as VP to Win” the presidency by manipulating the electoral count and so Pence could as well.* (As I’ve explained, Jefferson did no such thing.) Rudy Giuliani, whose law license has been suspended to “protect the public,” falsely told Trump that there “is no question, none at all, that the VP can do this. That’s a fact. The Constitution gives him the authority not to certify. It goes back to the state legislatures.” And of course John Eastman, whose memo baldly asserted that “the fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter.”

Even Eastman has backtracked a bit, admitting that his memo was “crazy” for suggesting the plan that Pence simply reject electoral votes. Instead, he says, his real plan was for Pence to halt the count to “send it back to the states.” In Eastman’s view, this approach was at least a modicum more reasonable, because all the delay would do is give states time to look into allegations of voting irregularities. And who cares about the federal law that prohibits it:

Eastman said that [the Jan. 6 delay] prompted him to email Jacob to say that Pence should not certify the election because he had already violated the Electoral College Act, which Pence had cited as a reason that he could not send the electors back to the states.
“My point was they had already violated the electoral count act by allowing debate to extend past the allotted two hours, and by not reconvening ‘immediately’ in joint session after the vote in the objection,” Eastman told The Post. “It seemed that had already set the precedent that it was not an impediment.”

This is, frankly, nuts. Eastman’s idea is that because a violent mob stormed the Capitol, physically preventing Congress from sticking to the law’s two-hour time limit in the most brutally literal way, Pence could ignore the law entirely going forward. Imagine you got stuck in a traffic jam on your way to mail your tax return by the legal deadline. Even if the IRS forgave the delay, it would be decidedly unimpressed if you cited it as “precedent” for you never having to pay your taxes again.

Eastman’s view, which is really the principal constitutional scholar viewpoint Trump has clung to, was not only nonsensical. He had no idea what he was talking about and looked only so far as it took to find the legal conclusion he wanted, regardless whether it was right.

No, Constitutional Scholars Are Not “50/50” in Agreement With Donald Trump About Jan. 6

The rioters wanted to hang Mike Pence because the president told them the lie that the law was on their side.

slate.com

Former President Donald Trump can be convicted in an impeachment trial for his role in inciting the Capitol insurrection on Jan. 6 even though he is no longer in office, a bipartisan group of constitutional law scholars wrote in a letter Thursday.

“We differ from one another in our politics, and we also differ from one another on issues of constitutional interpretation,” wrote the signatories, which include the co-founder and other members of the conservative Federalist Society legal group. “But despite our differences, our carefully considered views of the law lead all of us to agree that the Constitution permits the impeachment, conviction, and disqualification of former officers, including presidents.”

Legal scholars, including at Federalist Society, say Trump can be convicted

Some Republicans have argued a former president can't be the target of an impeachment trial.

www.politico.com

 

[bripat9643]

Lawrence Trib is a Constitutional Scholar. A subject you know nothing about. Start applying to a Law School near you.

But here is what Republican Constitutional Scholars say:


Who are these “constitutional scholars” feeding Trump this radical view? Johnny McEntee, a 31-year-old former college football player with no legal training, sent a “memo” by text message to Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, claiming that “Jefferson Used His Position as VP to Win” the presidency by manipulating the electoral count and so Pence could as well.* (As I’ve explained, Jefferson did no such thing.) Rudy Giuliani, whose law license has been suspended to “protect the public,” falsely told Trump that there “is no question, none at all, that the VP can do this. That’s a fact. The Constitution gives him the authority not to certify. It goes back to the state legislatures.” And of course John Eastman, whose memo baldly asserted that “the fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter.”

Even Eastman has backtracked a bit, admitting that his memo was “crazy” for suggesting the plan that Pence simply reject electoral votes. Instead, he says, his real plan was for Pence to halt the count to “send it back to the states.” In Eastman’s view, this approach was at least a modicum more reasonable, because all the delay would do is give states time to look into allegations of voting irregularities. And who cares about the federal law that prohibits it:


This is, frankly, nuts. Eastman’s idea is that because a violent mob stormed the Capitol, physically preventing Congress from sticking to the law’s two-hour time limit in the most brutally literal way, Pence could ignore the law entirely going forward. Imagine you got stuck in a traffic jam on your way to mail your tax return by the legal deadline. Even if the IRS forgave the delay, it would be decidedly unimpressed if you cited it as “precedent” for you never having to pay your taxes again.

Eastman’s view, which is really the principal constitutional scholar viewpoint Trump has clung to, was not only nonsensical. He had no idea what he was talking about and looked only so far as it took to find the legal conclusion he wanted, regardless whether it was right.

No, Constitutional Scholars Are Not “50/50” in Agreement With Donald Trump About Jan. 6

The rioters wanted to hang Mike Pence because the president told them the lie that the law was on their side.

slate.com

Former President Donald Trump can be convicted in an impeachment trial for his role in inciting the Capitol insurrection on Jan. 6 even though he is no longer in office, a bipartisan group of constitutional law scholars wrote in a letter Thursday.

“We differ from one another in our politics, and we also differ from one another on issues of constitutional interpretation,” wrote the signatories, which include the co-founder and other members of the conservative Federalist Society legal group. “But despite our differences, our carefully considered views of the law lead all of us to agree that the Constitution permits the impeachment, conviction, and disqualification of former officers, including presidents.”

Legal scholars, including at Federalist Society, say Trump can be convicted

Some Republicans have argued a former president can't be the target of an impeachment trial.

www.politico.com

Aside from you, who says he's a "constitutional scholar?" As far as I can tell, he's just some nobody.

 

[sartre play]

If we ever get honest and demand the people in our political party of choice start working for us instead of just attacking the other party. Then and only then will we get better government.

 

[krichton]

Cult followers will always defend their cult leader.

 

[BWK]

I'm with Lawerence on this. Those fast ass mera-burgers aren't doing shit;

 

[Chillicothe]

Of course I can vett that...

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"James Hodgkinson volunteered on Bernie Sanders' campaign..."​

You are trying too hard, poster Bill.
Someone on 'staff"....or a 'campaign volunteer'?
How many 'staffers' did Bernie have?
How many volunteer campaign workers?

Here's a hint: (from the Intercept 2/19/2019): "The self-described democratic socialist........................., calling on them “to be part of an unprecedented grassroots campaign of 1 million active volunteers, in every state in our country.”

Regardless of nomenclature.....the issue is: Did a poster here assert that Bernie Sanders sent a man to kill Republicans?

Of course the poster did. And of course, Bernie did not.

But the poster stated Bernie did. . Then clumsily tried to back away from it. But you, poster Bill, nonetheless, attempt to support the allegation of a 'directed' hit.

This topic, this issue, has run its' course. No Bernie did not order anyone to kill Republicans. Regardless if this supposed 'directed' individual was Bernie's wife, Campaign staff, or one of thousands of volunteers.

To say Bernie did so.....is irresponsible. To support the allegation of Bernie doing so....is irresponsible.

IMHO

 

[Sixties Fan]

President Biden is/was speaking right now. No talk of violence against the Republicans. Just the issues.

Graham: "There will be riots in the streets". Then had to walk it back.

There........is the difference.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

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"James Hodgkinson volunteered on Bernie Sanders' campaign..."​

You are trying too hard, poster Bill.
Someone on 'staff"....or a 'campaign volunteer'?
How many 'staffers' did Bernie have?
How many volunteer campaign workers?

Here's a hint: (from the Intercept 2/19/2019): "The self-described democratic socialist........................., calling on them “to be part of an unprecedented grassroots campaign of 1 million active volunteers, in every state in our country.”

Regardless of nomenclature.....the issue is: Did a poster here assert that Bernie Sanders sent a man to kill Republicans?

Of course the poster did. And of course, Bernie did not.

But the poster stated Bernie did. . Then clumsily tried to back away from it. But you, poster Bill, nonetheless, attempt to support the allegation of a 'directed' hit.

This topic, this issue, has run its' course. No Bernie did not order anyone to kill Republicans. Regardless if this supposed 'directed' individual was Bernie's wife, Campaign staff, or one of thousands of volunteers.

To say Bernie did so.....is irresponsible. To support the allegation of Bernie doing so....is irresponsible.

IMHO

He was radicalized while working on Sanders campaign, obviously.

 

[Chillicothe]

"obviously."

Ummm?
Obviously?
Tell us more.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Here's more...

‘Guillotine the rich’: Project Veritas exposes another radical, pro-gulag Sanders staffer

Project Veritas has apparently snared another pro-Soviet, pro-gulag Bernie Sanders campaign staffer, this one saying in a hidden-camera video released Tuesday that he was ready to “get armed” for the “revolution” and musing about sending Republicans to “reeducation camps.”

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Here's more...

‘Guillotine the rich’: Project Veritas exposes another radical, pro-gulag Sanders staffer

Project Veritas has apparently snared another pro-Soviet, pro-gulag Bernie Sanders campaign staffer, this one saying in a hidden-camera video released Tuesday that he was ready to “get armed” for the “revolution” and musing about sending Republicans to “reeducation camps.”

www.washingtontimes.com

Bernie Sanders does not have much power, if at all, in the Democratic Party. The possibility that his extreme ideas would ever attract a large number of Democrats is nil. There are extremist in both parties, but the number of Republican extremist is way higher than it will ever be with the Democrats.

No Gulag, no re education, no nonsense of any kind will ever happen on the Democratic side.

 

[Chillicothe]

Here's more...

Just so it is clear for the chatroom, poster Bill --- are you alleging, as another has, that Bernie Sanders sent a man to kill Steve Scalise?

Or, are you alleging that Project Veritas sent that guy, Hodgkinson, to do it?

 

[jc456]

February 5, 2021

As his time in the White House came to a close, former president Donald Trump became obsessed with one office in downtown Atlanta and the workers there, making the Fulton County elections department a target of conspiracy theories and lies, which led to violent threats and intimidation.

​

Fulton County employees, as well as election workers around the country, are still grappling with the emotional and psychological trauma they suffered as a result of Trump's disinformation campaign about the 2020 election, and it may have lasting consequences for recruiting and retention in the vital, but often under-appreciated field.

​

Online threats led to real world dangers. Law enforcement were posted outside the homes of some election officials. To feel safer, at least one official's family moved in with in-laws. In more disturbing cases, election workers heard strangers knocking at their front doors, and menacing voices on the other end of the phone who uttered racial slurs and promised hangings.

"We coming for you"

Trump falsely claimed victory in Georgia on election night, even though Fulton County alone had yet to count tens of thousands of mail-in ballots. Reporters and partisan observers flocked to the counting center.

With all the attention came conspiracies. Trump's sons, Eric and Donald Jr. retweeted a 30-second video of a temp election worker in Fulton named Lawrence Sloan. In the video, a narrator falsely claimed Sloan threw away a mail-in ballot, attracting at least five million views, along with racist comments, and calls for Sloan to be identified and arrested.

As Georgia's recount of the presidential votes wound down, Trump and his allies focused their attacks on the Fulton County elections department, where all the staff, except for the director, are Black.

Rudy Giuliani spun a conspiracy that targeted Shaye Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman, who had helped out as a temp worker. He compared them to drug dealers.

"They should have been questioned already. Their places of work, their homes should have been searched," he said at a virtual hearing organized by Republican state lawmakers in Georgia.

Calls came in to Moss's old phone, which her son was using.

"He will answer it, and they'll just call him all kinds of racial slurs, and saying what they're going to do to him," Moss said.

Trump mentioned Freeman's name 18 times on a now infamous call leaked to reporters, during which he pushed Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to illegally alter the election results. The call is cited in the article of impeachmentapproved by the U.S. House.

(full article online )

You can’t be for real

 

[jc456]

No distinction between Trump campaign and Fox stars​

"When we get power back, it's time to hold everyone accountable — the military leadership, the civilian leadership, the civil service, those in Congress who have abused their power — all of them have to be held accountable," said Fox's Laura Ingraham. "All of them."

No distinction there either between the "we" of the Trump campaign and Fox's biggest stars. Guests included Stephen Miller, Trump's former chief domestic policy adviser.

Just past midnight this morning, on the first news program handling the story, anchor Shannon Bream broke down the story with three legal analysts. One, University of California at Berkeley law professor John Yoo, was considered a firebrand conservative as a senior Justice Department official under then President George W. Bush. Another, Mike Davis, served Bush in the Justice Department and clerked for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. The third, John Iannarelli, is a former senior FBI agent who has spoken at conservative gatherings.

Fox's Baier calls the search "a political bombshell"​

That said, Bream herself noted, "This doesn't just happen overnight. Any DOJ or FBI, any administration is going to want to be exceptionally careful. This FBI has clearly made, and this attorney general has made, the calculation that they think they have enough [evidence] to move forward and risk the political optics of this."

And chief political anchor Bret Baier on Tuesday called the search a "political bombshell."

Even so, the network's media commentator, Joe Concha, told Fox & Friends viewers that the Justice Department should charge Trump with a crime now. "Otherwise, raids like this smell like... partisan BS," Concha said.

It fell to Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy, a Trump favorite, to point out that FBI Director Christopher Wray — who oversaw those agents — had been nominated by Trump in 2017.

The way Fox News frames such matters has deep implications for Republican party politics, the various strands of the fractured conservative political movement, and Trump's own camp. It also serves up potential talking points for millions of Trump supporters who are adrift, angry, and anticipating his return to power.

Loyalty to Trump — at least for now — has once more emerged as the paramount concern in right-wing media.

(full article online)

For fk sake Karen