Thoughts and Prayers

[August West]

The Islamization of Britain in 2017
"I think we are heading towards disaster."

The Islamization of Britain in 2017
Clean up your own mess fat boy.

I would swap our NRA members for Muslims in a heartbeat.

 

[DrLove]

These polls show a complete lack of understanding on how firearms function and that if any of these are implemented into law they will have zero effect on criminals. The only people who will suffer are the law abiding citizens.

Riddle us this Thunder - How is it exactly that law abiding citizens will "suffer".

Perhaps waiting 24-48 hours to get your gun to prove that you are not a kook or criminal?
Not being able to go to Armslist.com or in most states a gun show and buy an AK47 without a background check from a private seller??
Being made to show that you are qualified carry concealed and have the *proper licensing?

*Almost half the states require NOTHING - any jackass can do so now in Idaho as an example

Let me be the first to offer my thoughts and prayers for all your potential "suffering"

 

[Tommy Tainant]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

There are 80+ million private citizens in the possession of 300+ million firearms. They purchased them legally, own them legally, use them for sport, hunting and in some cases, defense. Of those 80+ million private citizens, approximately 14.6 million across the U.S. possess concealed weapons permits and walk among you, without you knowing it. Those 80+ million citizens are NO threat to you, your family, or friends. They mind their own business, have jobs, and by in large, don't think about or care about you. Most of the crimes are committed by individuals who possess stolen firearms, or arms purchased on the black market and they don't constitute those 80+ million peaceful owners.
No doubt your goal is to disarm the law-abiding public, institute a large, overreaching socialist/communist government that can implement oppressive laws on those who don't agree with your idea of government and whom, once disarmed, could not effectively resist a tyrannical, one world government.

None of the people mentioned in the OP is a criminal.They are all victims of domestic arguments or accidents that ended up with somebody getting shot and killed. They were once part of that 80 million peaceful owners club, and now they are ex members.
Thats just 3 days worth as well.
Now , apart from thoughts and prayers of course, how do you suggest preventing further slaughter ?

So, why have you made them victims Tommy?

You see, making asinine assertions goes both ways. These victims are attributed to you and you're ilk. What did you do Tommy, to ensure that they were safe from their abusers?

I havent made them victims. Your NRA backed gun laws have done that.

 

[Darkwind]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

There are 80+ million private citizens in the possession of 300+ million firearms. They purchased them legally, own them legally, use them for sport, hunting and in some cases, defense. Of those 80+ million private citizens, approximately 14.6 million across the U.S. possess concealed weapons permits and walk among you, without you knowing it. Those 80+ million citizens are NO threat to you, your family, or friends. They mind their own business, have jobs, and by in large, don't think about or care about you. Most of the crimes are committed by individuals who possess stolen firearms, or arms purchased on the black market and they don't constitute those 80+ million peaceful owners.
No doubt your goal is to disarm the law-abiding public, institute a large, overreaching socialist/communist government that can implement oppressive laws on those who don't agree with your idea of government and whom, once disarmed, could not effectively resist a tyrannical, one world government.

None of the people mentioned in the OP is a criminal.They are all victims of domestic arguments or accidents that ended up with somebody getting shot and killed. They were once part of that 80 million peaceful owners club, and now they are ex members.
Thats just 3 days worth as well.
Now , apart from thoughts and prayers of course, how do you suggest preventing further slaughter ?

So, why have you made them victims Tommy?

You see, making asinine assertions goes both ways. These victims are attributed to you and you're ilk. What did you do Tommy, to ensure that they were safe from their abusers?

I havent made them victims. Your NRA backed gun laws have done that.

Actually, you have. Your demented belief that people who are unable to defend themselves are somehow safer has a direct correlation to their demise. Its as if you used the weapon that killed them.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

There are 80+ million private citizens in the possession of 300+ million firearms. They purchased them legally, own them legally, use them for sport, hunting and in some cases, defense. Of those 80+ million private citizens, approximately 14.6 million across the U.S. possess concealed weapons permits and walk among you, without you knowing it. Those 80+ million citizens are NO threat to you, your family, or friends. They mind their own business, have jobs, and by in large, don't think about or care about you. Most of the crimes are committed by individuals who possess stolen firearms, or arms purchased on the black market and they don't constitute those 80+ million peaceful owners.
No doubt your goal is to disarm the law-abiding public, institute a large, overreaching socialist/communist government that can implement oppressive laws on those who don't agree with your idea of government and whom, once disarmed, could not effectively resist a tyrannical, one world government.

None of the people mentioned in the OP is a criminal.They are all victims of domestic arguments or accidents that ended up with somebody getting shot and killed. They were once part of that 80 million peaceful owners club, and now they are ex members.
Thats just 3 days worth as well.
Now , apart from thoughts and prayers of course, how do you suggest preventing further slaughter ?

So, why have you made them victims Tommy?

You see, making asinine assertions goes both ways. These victims are attributed to you and you're ilk. What did you do Tommy, to ensure that they were safe from their abusers?

I havent made them victims. Your NRA backed gun laws have done that.

The laws of our land are outlined in our Constitution.

 

[Lastamender]

The Islamization of Britain in 2017
"I think we are heading towards disaster."

The Islamization of Britain in 2017
Clean up your own mess fat boy.

I would swap our NRA members for Muslims in a heartbeat.

The Muslims will take care of that heartbeat. And when was the last NRA terror attack?

 

[2aguy]

But I bet you have no problem with Bloomberg spending 50 million on taking away a Constitutional right. ?
Bloomberg launches new $50 million gun control effort

C'mon man - get with the program 83% of gun owners support Universal Background Checks.
As a gun owner - I wouldn't give my money to Wayne Fuking LaPierre on a bet from hell - he's an asshole who cares NOTHING about me (or you).
RELEASE: Gun Owners Overwhelmingly Support Background Checks, See NRA as Out of Touch, New Poll Finds - Center for American Progress

No....83% have no idea what they are supporting...they answer yes to a lying poll question, and don't understand the issue to know what they are saying yes to.....

Ask the real question....

Would you support Universal Background checks if it will require you to register all of your guns with the government, will increase the wait time to buy a gun, and increase the fees to buy a gun........and will do nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters from getting a gun.

Ask that question, then get back to us...doofus.

 

[2aguy]

But I bet you have no problem with Bloomberg spending 50 million on taking away a Constitutional right. ?
Bloomberg launches new $50 million gun control effort

C'mon man - get with the program 83% of gun owners support Universal Background Checks.
As a gun owner - I wouldn't give my money to Wayne Fuking LaPierre on a bet from hell - he's an asshole who cares NOTHING about me (or you).
RELEASE: Gun Owners Overwhelmingly Support Background Checks, See NRA as Out of Touch, New Poll Finds - Center for American Progress

Oh - this is more recent just in case
90% of Americans back background checks for all gun sales?

Wrong again...

No....90% have no idea what they are supporting...they answer yes to a lying poll question, and don't understand the issue to know what they are saying yes to.....

Ask the real question....

Would you support Universal Background checks if it will require you to register all of your guns with the government, will increase the wait time to buy a gun, and increase the fees to buy a gun........and will do nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters from getting a gun.

Ask that question, then get back to us...doofus.

 

[2aguy]

You do know that background checks are already in place.

Not for unlicensed dealers in MOST states either at gun shows or online.
Need an AK-47?
Buy it right here right now from unlicensed dealer no questions asked:
ARMSLIST - Firearms Classifieds

Sorry....doesn't happen......they tried buying guns online and the gun sellers didn't sell it to them...

The GAO And Illegal Internet Firearm Sales - Bearing Arms

The Government Accountability Office serves as the investigative arm of Congress. While not a law enforcement agency, they do investigate many things. Often, their investigations surround financial matters since much of what Congress does is pay for stuff with our money, but that’s not all they do.

Recently, the GAO decided to try and buy some guns on the internet. Not the dark web or anything like that, but the same internet you and I use on a regular basis.

Guess how it went.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) ended a study late last year designed to determine ease of illegal purchases of firearms on line. Results released on Nov. 21, 2017, indicate that zero of its 72 attempts resulted in a successful transaction on the “Surface Web”—that part of the Internet, like here, that doesn’t run with a secondary encryption software to hide identities.

It’s “searchable with standard web search engines,” the report explains. “Furthermore, in 5 of these 72 attempts, the accounts GAO set up were frozen by the websites, which prevented the agents from using the forums and attempting to make a purchase.”

Taking place over two years, you’d think they’d have figured out how to make one illegal purchase, but they didn’t. Not a one.

While this should be heralded as good new for anti-gun zealots, it won’t be. After all, this proves that the laws currently on the books work just fine and that new laws aren’t needed. That negates pretty much their entire reason for existing.

Meanwhile, those who know how can access the dark web can buy anything if they’ve got the cash, regardless of the law. After all, you can buy people on the dark web. Buying guns is small potatoes in that game.

 

[2aguy]

You do know that background checks are already in place.

Not for unlicensed dealers in MOST states either at gun shows or online.
Need an AK-47?
Buy it right here right now from unlicensed dealer no questions asked:
ARMSLIST - Firearms Classifieds

Yeah...wrong...those dealers ask questions......and they don't sell if they don't trust the buyer....moron......

The GAO And Illegal Internet Firearm Sales - Bearing Arms

The Government Accountability Office serves as the investigative arm of Congress. While not a law enforcement agency, they do investigate many things. Often, their investigations surround financial matters since much of what Congress does is pay for stuff with our money, but that’s not all they do.

Recently, the GAO decided to try and buy some guns on the internet. Not the dark web or anything like that, but the same internet you and I use on a regular basis.

Guess how it went.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) ended a study late last year designed to determine ease of illegal purchases of firearms on line. Results released on Nov. 21, 2017, indicate that zero of its 72 attempts resulted in a successful transaction on the “Surface Web”—that part of the Internet, like here, that doesn’t run with a secondary encryption software to hide identities.

It’s “searchable with standard web search engines,” the report explains. “Furthermore, in 5 of these 72 attempts, the accounts GAO set up were frozen by the websites, which prevented the agents from using the forums and attempting to make a purchase.”

Taking place over two years, you’d think they’d have figured out how to make one illegal purchase, but they didn’t. Not a one.

While this should be heralded as good new for anti-gun zealots, it won’t be. After all, this proves that the laws currently on the books work just fine and that new laws aren’t needed. That negates pretty much their entire reason for existing.

Meanwhile, those who know how can access the dark web can buy anything if they’ve got the cash, regardless of the law. After all, you can buy people on the dark web. Buying guns is small potatoes in that game.

 

[2aguy]

"The Center for American Progress is a progressive public policy research and advocacy organization."
Well of course they did,

Oh FUCK - Here we go. Let's go with Quinnapiac - THE most accurate polster in 2016
QU Poll Release Detail

• 79 - 19 percent for a mandatory waiting period for all gun purchases;
• 64 - 32 percent for a ban on the sale of assault weapons;
• 86 - 12 percent for a ban of the sale of guns to people convicted of a violent crime;
• 58 - 38 percent for stricter regulations on ammunition sales;
• 64 - 34 percent for a ban on high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.

Sorry....not one of the people who responded to those questions understand the issues.....especially the bait and switch that the anti gunners will do once they create the laws based on those questions....

Hey......doofus........Do the people who answered these questions know that it is already illegal to sell a gun to someone convicted of a crime....

You are really stupid.

86 - 12 percent for a ban of the sale of guns to people convicted of a violent crime;

Let me ask these same people these questions with the actual truth as to what the anti gunners want and what they will do....then lets see what the numbers are....moron...

ON magazine capacity......have them read this first...and then ask them if they would be willing to allow a friend or family member to die because their gun ran out of bullets in the middle of a violent criminal attack...then ask them the question. Then see if they think if a magazine ban will stop criminals from getting them...then ask the question...

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?
The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.
LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.
News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.
There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.
In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.
Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

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We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

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How Often Have Bystanders Intervened While a Mass Shooter Was Trying to Reload?

First, we consider the issue of how many times people have disrupted a mass shooting while the shooter was trying to load a detachable magazine into a semiautomatic gun.

Note that 16 it is irrelevant whether interveners have stopped a shooter while trying to reload some other type of gun, using other kinds of magazines, since we are addressing the potential significance of restrictions on the capacity of detachable magazines which are used only with semiautomatic firearms.

Thus, bystander intervention directed at shooters using other types of guns that take much longer to reload than a semiautomatic gun using detachable magazines could not provide any guidance as to the likelihood of bystander intervention when the shooter was using a semiautomatic gun equipped with detachable magazines that can be reloaded very quickly.

Prospective interveners would presumably be more likely to tackle a shooter who took a long time to reload than one who took only 2-4 seconds to do so.

Likewise, bystander interventions that occurred at a time when the shooter was not reloading (e.g., when he was struggling with a defective gun or magazine) are irrelevant, since that kind of intervention could occur regardless of what kinds of magazines or firearms the shooter was using.


It is the need to reload detachable magazines sooner and more often that differentiates shooters using smaller detachable magazines from those using larger ones.

For the period 1994-2013 inclusive, we identified three mass shooting incidents in which it was claimed that interveners disrupted the shooting by tackling the shooter while he was trying to reload.

In only one of the three cases, however, did interveners actually tackle the shooter while he may have been reloading a semiautomatic firearm.

In one of the incidents, the weapon in question was a shotgun that had to be reloaded by inserting one shotshell at a time into the weapon (Knoxville News Sentinel “Takedown of Alleged Shooter Recounted” July 29, 2008, regarding a shooting in Knoxville, TN on July 27, 2008), and so the incident is irrelevant to the effects of detachable LCMs.


In another incident, occurring in Springfield, Oregon on May 21, 1998, the shooter, Kip Kinkel, was using a semiautomatic gun, and he was tackled by bystanders, but not while he was reloading.

After exhausting the ammunition in one gun, the shooter started 17 firing another loaded gun, one of three firearms he had with him.

The first intervener was shot in the hand in the course of wresting this still-loaded gun away from the shooter (The (Portland) Oregonian, May 23, 1998).


The final case occurred in Tucson, AZ on January 8, 2011.

This is the shooting in which Jared Loughner attempted to assassinate Representative Gabrielle Giffords.

The shooter was using a semiautomatic firearm and was tackled by bystanders, purportedly while trying to reload a detachable magazine.

Even in this case, however, there were important uncertainties.

According to one news account, one bystander “grabbed a full magazine” that the shooter dropped, and two others helped subdue him (Associated Press, January 9, 2011).

It is not, however, clear whether this bystander intervention was facilitated because

(1) the shooter was reloading, or because

(2) the shooter stopping firing when his gun or magazine failed to function properly.

Eyewitness testimony, including that of the interveners, was inconsistent as to exactly why or how the intervention transpired in Giffords shooting.

One intervener insisted that he was sure the shooter had exhausted the ammunition in the first magazine (and thus was about to reload) because he saw the gun’s slide locked back – a condition he believed could only occur with this particular firearm after the last round is fired.

In fact, this can also happen when the guns jams, i.e. fails to chamber the next round (Salzgeber 2014; Morrill 2014).

Complicating matters further, the New York Times reported that the spring on the second magazine was broken, presumably rendering it incapable of functioning.

Their story’s headline and text characterized this mechanical failure as “perhaps the only fortunate event of the day” (New York Times “A Single, Terrifying Moment: Shots, Scuffle, Some Luck,” January 10, 2011, p. A1)

. If the New York Times account was accurate, the shooter would not have been able to continue shooting with that magazine even if no one had stopped him from loading it into his gun.

Detachable magazines of any size can malfunction, which would at least temporarily stop a prospective mass shooter from firing, and thereby provide an opportunity for bystanders to stop the shooter.
It is possible that the bystander intervention in the Tucson case could have occurred regardless of what size magazines the shooter possessed, since a shooter struggling with a defective small-capacity magazine would be just as vulnerable to disruption as one struggling with a defective large-capacity magazine. Thus, it remains unclear whether the shooter was reloading when the bystanders tackled him.
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The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

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For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

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In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.

 

[2aguy]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

There are 80+ million private citizens in the possession of 300+ million firearms. They purchased them legally, own them legally, use them for sport, hunting and in some cases, defense. Of those 80+ million private citizens, approximately 14.6 million across the U.S. possess concealed weapons permits and walk among you, without you knowing it. Those 80+ million citizens are NO threat to you, your family, or friends. They mind their own business, have jobs, and by in large, don't think about or care about you. Most of the crimes are committed by individuals who possess stolen firearms, or arms purchased on the black market and they don't constitute those 80+ million peaceful owners.
No doubt your goal is to disarm the law-abiding public, institute a large, overreaching socialist/communist government that can implement oppressive laws on those who don't agree with your idea of government and whom, once disarmed, could not effectively resist a tyrannical, one world government.

None of the people mentioned in the OP is a criminal.They are all victims of domestic arguments or accidents that ended up with somebody getting shot and killed. They were once part of that 80 million peaceful owners club, and now they are ex members.
Thats just 3 days worth as well.
Now , apart from thoughts and prayers of course, how do you suggest preventing further slaughter ?

Nope.....you need to show us in these links the history of these individuals.....none of the links go further than the surface story...please show us which of these people are alcoholics and drug users, have multiple contacts with the police in domestic violence complaints, and how many are just out right criminals...

Those determine a criminal gun use...not law abiding people who own and carry guns for protection.....

And as you know...as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rates go down, not up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

The Islamization of Britain in 2017
"I think we are heading towards disaster."

The Islamization of Britain in 2017
Clean up your own mess fat boy.

I would swap our NRA members for Muslims in a heartbeat.

Wow....you really are fucking stupid...

REPORT: Violent Crime Is Surging In Germany – Their Solution Will Leave You Speechless.

Refugees are causing a major problem in Germany; the situation is getting so bad that mainstream media outlets can no longer ignore it. Now a new report shows that migrants are almost solely responsible for the country’s rise in violent crime.

A new report released on Wednesday blames refugees for the 10% increase in violent crime in 2015 and 2016, Reuters reported.

Key takeaways include:

• The report was government-sponsored.
• It says that 90% of the 10-point increase in violent crime came from refugees.
• The migrants that were responsible for the jump in violent crime were aged 14 to 30.

 

[WillMunny]

Note to fellow Americans: NEVER believe anyone from the UK when they say "thoughts and prayers" or any other seemingly benevolent bullshit when it comes to Americans. You will NEVER find a piece of British cyberspace that isn't foaming with the most vicious, putrid hatred of Americans you'll ever see. There are countries we have BOMBED which hate Americans less than the British on whom this "bloody seppo" wishes cancer. Britain is the most evil, toxic, booze-pickled-brain-damaged, asshole-ridden, America-hating culture of probably the entire world (certainly the Western world). The British media were jacking themselves over 9/11 on 9/12, cheering on the deaths of Americans, I'll never forget that. Despite being "allies" the UK is one of the worst enemies of the US.

Furthermore, I've deal with British backpacker white trash for enough years (hosteling abroad), their behavior pretty much corresponds to their cyber-hate. They're the only nationality with whom I've gotten into screaming fights that had to be intervened by others. Because they're the ONLY nationality that spews random death threats against "bloody seppo" every GODDAMNED, FUCKING time the alcohol starts flowing. For no reason. British animals CANNOT behave in a civilized manner around us bloody yanks.

 

[2aguy]

These polls show a complete lack of understanding on how firearms function and that if any of these are implemented into law they will have zero effect on criminals. The only people who will suffer are the law abiding citizens.

Riddle us this Thunder - How is it exactly that law abiding citizens will "suffer".

Perhaps waiting 24-48 hours to get your gun to prove that you are not a kook or criminal?
Not being able to go to Armslist.com or in most states a gun show and buy an AK47 without a background check from a private seller??
Being made to show that you are qualified carry concealed and have the *proper licensing?

*Almost half the states require NOTHING - any jackass can do so now in Idaho as an example

Let me be the first to offer my thoughts and prayers for all your potential "suffering"

Moron......

We have a Right to own and carry guns......get that, it is a Right, not something granted to us by you or the government.....any waiting period, first, does nothing to stop gun crime or violence, and Second, it violates our Right......how about a waiting period to vote, especially in democrat neighborhoods....

Moron......criminals get their guns by stealing them.....or using a straw buyer.....moron.....that means that a straw buyer goes in, and passes the current, federally mandated background check....and gets to buy the gun...they then sell it to the criminal...

That means...moron...that that same straw buyer could go to a private seller, pass the universal background check, and sell it to the criminal....achieving nothing except raising the cost of seling the gun...

And.....the most important thing for you gun grabbers....it gives you the ability to call for universal gun registration....since criminals will still get guns, and mass shooters will still get guns, you will then call for universal gun registration...to know who starts out with the gun.....that is what you want....

Licensing for concealed carry is nothing more than a Poll Tax, and a Literacy Test for the Right to Bear arms.....you guys and your democrat buddies used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep blacks from voting, now you want to do the same to keep blacks and others from owning and carrying guns...

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The OP is just an example of how the left feels about our Second Amendment rights. They would take your guns away if they could.

 

[LuckyDuck]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

There are 80+ million private citizens in the possession of 300+ million firearms. They purchased them legally, own them legally, use them for sport, hunting and in some cases, defense. Of those 80+ million private citizens, approximately 14.6 million across the U.S. possess concealed weapons permits and walk among you, without you knowing it. Those 80+ million citizens are NO threat to you, your family, or friends. They mind their own business, have jobs, and by in large, don't think about or care about you. Most of the crimes are committed by individuals who possess stolen firearms, or arms purchased on the black market and they don't constitute those 80+ million peaceful owners.
No doubt your goal is to disarm the law-abiding public, institute a large, overreaching socialist/communist government that can implement oppressive laws on those who don't agree with your idea of government and whom, once disarmed, could not effectively resist a tyrannical, one world government.

None of the people mentioned in the OP is a criminal.They are all victims of domestic arguments or accidents that ended up with somebody getting shot and killed. They were once part of that 80 million peaceful owners club, and now they are ex members.
Thats just 3 days worth as well.
Now , apart from thoughts and prayers of course, how do you suggest preventing further slaughter ?

Here's a suggestion, Tommy.

Hang them in the public square as a message to those who commit these murders.

A firing squad would suffice.

The problem with the death penalty, is that it doesn't necessarily deter crime. In medieval times, pickpockets were publically hanged and while the hanging was going on, there would be pickpockets working the crowd.
There is no solving violence.
The Russian people were stripped of their firearms and thus couldn't fight against a government that became tyrannical under Stalin, who proceeded to murder 20 million of his countrymen.
The German government under Hitler stripped the public of private firearms ownership and his government Jews, Romas (Gypsies), and handicapped. Millions died at his government's hands. They couldn't fight back.
The list goes on with governments taking firearms away from the public only to have the governments oppress their public and worse.
People are "always" going to be killing people. To believe otherwise is naïve. They can run them down in large numbers with trucks, cars and vans, they can block exits to structures and kill large numbers via arson, they will go into peoples homes at night and slaughter them quietly with blunt instruments and/or knives. They can run out into groups of people with machetes and kill numerous people. They can improvise explosive devices and kill people wholesale as well.
Ultimately, the death penalty isn't really a deterrent, calling law enforcement, if one has the opportunity, only means that they arrive "after" the caller has become the victim and the perpetrator has left and disarming the public ensures that they will only end up "victims" of someone determined to kill them.

 

[skookerasbil]

Everything in the OP's life is dictated by emotions alone, thus, the nature of every thread he posts up.


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