Thoughts and Prayers

[2aguy]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

Notice.....it is people like you, left wing anti gunners...who are allowing violent criminals to get guns...it is the NRA training police, and fighting against you and your pro criminal laws.......


California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

These victims are not criminals. They are ordinary Americans who had a domestic situation. In the civilised world they would be looking forward to the weekend.

So.....since you are paying attention to this thread, and you are an anti gun zealot....

As an anti gun zealot.....you would rather that a woman is raped instead of using a gun to stop the rape....correct?

Dittos murder....you prefer that a good, law abiding citizen is murdered...by whatever means, a gun, a knife, bare hands.....rather than they use a gun to stop it...correct?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

You are not an American, so mind your own business. Enjoy your life in gun free gay ol' England where your women get raped in record numbers.

 

[Political Junky]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

Good Allah you're an idiot.

The NRA is a gun safety organization. Wouldn't occur to you to blame the CRIMINAL

If true, the NRA is doing a piss poor job.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

If true, the NRA is doing a piss poor job

They were killed by NRA members? Could you point out where it says that?

 

[2aguy]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

Good Allah you're an idiot.

The NRA is a gun safety organization. Wouldn't occur to you to blame the CRIMINAL

If true, the NRA is doing a piss poor job.

How do you figure......

Fatal gun accidents by year......


https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html


2015...489http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

 

[hjmick]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

Please provide links to the NRA sponsoring these shootings and crimes.

And for the record, I don't like the NRA. And I own guns.

 

[Lastamender]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

Please provide links to the NRA sponsoring these shootings and crimes.

And for the record, I don't like the NRA. And I own guns.

Should be the last we see of Tiny Tim.

 

[DrLove]

You fuking IDIOT - Do you seriously think anyone is going to read a 5,000 word C&P?
Go back to bed asshole

 

[DrLove]

Good Allah you're an idiot.

The NRA is a gun safety organization. Wouldn't occur to you to blame the CRIMINAL

Good Allah it would be you who is an idiot. For the past ten years, the NRA has NOT been a voice for sportsmen and home defenders.
They are a tool for weapons & ammo manufacturers who do most of their bidding ...

You can thank me later for the amazing (and no doubt heartbreaking) revelation.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

Notice.....it is people like you, left wing anti gunners...who are allowing violent criminals to get guns...it is the NRA training police, and fighting against you and your pro criminal laws.......


California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

These victims are not criminals. They are ordinary Americans who had a domestic situation. In the civilised world they would be looking forward to the weekend.

So you think domestic violence only happens when there's a gun involved ?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Good Allah you're an idiot.

The NRA is a gun safety organization. Wouldn't occur to you to blame the CRIMINAL

Good Allah it would be you who is an idiot. For the past ten years, the NRA has NOT been a voice for sportsmen and home defenders.
They are a tool for weapons & ammo manufacturers who do most of their bidding ...

You can thank me later for the amazing (and no doubt heartbreaking) revelation.

But I bet you have no problem with Bloomberg spending 50 million on taking away a Constitutional right. ?
Bloomberg launches new $50 million gun control effort

 

[DrLove]

But I bet you have no problem with Bloomberg spending 50 million on taking away a Constitutional right. ?
Bloomberg launches new $50 million gun control effort

C'mon man - get with the program 83% of gun owners support Universal Background Checks.
As a gun owner - I wouldn't give my money to Wayne Fuking LaPierre on a bet from hell - he's an asshole who cares NOTHING about me (or you).
RELEASE: Gun Owners Overwhelmingly Support Background Checks, See NRA as Out of Touch, New Poll Finds - Center for American Progress

 

[Votto]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

All of these victims should have died from a stab wound or run over by a vehicle or an explosion from a bomb.

Criminals are too barbaric in the NRA US.

As for the thoughts and prayers line that introduced this thread, that is misleading.

We all know that liberals don't pray and most often don't have much to think about other than talking points fed to them.

 

[DrLove]

But I bet you have no problem with Bloomberg spending 50 million on taking away a Constitutional right. ?
Bloomberg launches new $50 million gun control effort

C'mon man - get with the program 83% of gun owners support Universal Background Checks.
As a gun owner - I wouldn't give my money to Wayne Fuking LaPierre on a bet from hell - he's an asshole who cares NOTHING about me (or you).
RELEASE: Gun Owners Overwhelmingly Support Background Checks, See NRA as Out of Touch, New Poll Finds - Center for American Progress

Oh - this is more recent just in case
90% of Americans back background checks for all gun sales?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

But I bet you have no problem with Bloomberg spending 50 million on taking away a Constitutional right. ?
Bloomberg launches new $50 million gun control effort

C'mon man - get with the program 83% of gun owners support Universal Background Checks.
As a gun owner - I wouldn't give my money to Wayne Fuking LaPierre on a bet from hell - he's an asshole who cares NOTHING about me (or you).
RELEASE: Gun Owners Overwhelmingly Support Background Checks, See NRA as Out of Touch, New Poll Finds - Center for American Progress

"The Center for American Progress is a progressive public policy research and advocacy organization."
Well of course they did,

 

[Political Junky]

These NRA victims were not criminals or terrorists.They were domestic violence victims. Access to guns in the US means that these incidents end up with dead people. In the first world they dont.

These are your NRA sponsored domestic deaths from Monday till yesterday.

htttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/police-find-3-children-safe-after-2-people-found-shot-to-death-on-detroits-east-side-

Shooting in Roxton leaves 1 dead

Edgewater police shooting: Volusia man shot wife | WFTV

Two found deceased on New Year's Day died from apparent gunshot wounds

Teen dies in Sherwood playing Russian roulette

POLICE: Son murdered mother and man in North Topsail Beach shooting

Child who died after accidental shooting identified

Fatal shooting on East Side may have been accidental, chief says

Woman fatally shot in Oakland's first homicide of 2018

Man accused of killing his own brother after New Year's party

Accused gunman found dead after his brother was shot in the face

Report: Former NOPD officer, retired teacher dies in accidental shooting

Woman killed in shootout with deputy in Real County

One person dies in Thousand Palms shooting

Police: Man shot in the head by a drunk friend dies

Couple ID'd in Northampton Co. murder-suicide

Apparent murder-suicide under investigation in Medford - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/man-s...ast-side-moments-after-beating-ex-girlfriend/

2 fatally shot in Lake Forest parking lot

UPDATE: Victim identified in deadly shooting on Shaker Mill Bend Road

UPDATE: Williamson man fatally shot woman before killing himself, authorities say

All of these victims should have died from a stab wound or run over by a vehicle or an explosion from a bomb.

Criminals are too barbaric in the NRA US.

As for the thoughts and prayers line that introduced this thread, that is misleading.

We all know that liberals don't pray and most often don't have much to think about other than talking points fed to them.

That cons pretend to be religious is such a joke.

 

[DrLove]

"The Center for American Progress is a progressive public policy research and advocacy organization."
Well of course they did,

Oh FUCK - Here we go. Let's go with Quinnapiac - THE most accurate polster in 2016
QU Poll Release Detail

• 79 - 19 percent for a mandatory waiting period for all gun purchases;
• 64 - 32 percent for a ban on the sale of assault weapons;
• 86 - 12 percent for a ban of the sale of guns to people convicted of a violent crime;
• 58 - 38 percent for stricter regulations on ammunition sales;
• 64 - 34 percent for a ban on high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

But I bet you have no problem with Bloomberg spending 50 million on taking away a Constitutional right. ?
Bloomberg launches new $50 million gun control effort

C'mon man - get with the program 83% of gun owners support Universal Background Checks.
As a gun owner - I wouldn't give my money to Wayne Fuking LaPierre on a bet from hell - he's an asshole who cares NOTHING about me (or you).
RELEASE: Gun Owners Overwhelmingly Support Background Checks, See NRA as Out of Touch, New Poll Finds - Center for American Progress

Oh - this is more recent just in case
90% of Americans back background checks for all gun sales?

You do know that background checks are already in place.

 

[DrLove]

You do know that background checks are already in place.

Not for unlicensed dealers in MOST states either at gun shows or online.
Need an AK-47?
Buy it right here right now from unlicensed dealer no questions asked:
ARMSLIST - Firearms Classifieds

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

"The Center for American Progress is a progressive public policy research and advocacy organization."
Well of course they did,

Oh FUCK - Here we go. Let's go with Qinnapiac - THE most accurate polster in 2016
QU Poll Release Detail

• 79 - 19 percent for a mandatory waiting period for all gun purchases;
• 64 - 32 percent for a ban on the sale of assault weapons;
• 86 - 12 percent for a ban of the sale of guns to people convicted of a violent crime;
• 58 - 38 percent for stricter regulations on ammunition sales;
• 64 - 34 percent for a ban on high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.

When the words "assault weapon" are included in any argument I immediately realize the person using them doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about. None of those bans or restrictions would do anything to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals because they don't follow the laws by the felons are not allowed to purchase firearms anyway. So what you and these polls are proposing is to limit law abiding citizens Constitutional rights.

You Liberals might as well come out and say you want an outright ban on firearms and call for a Constitutional Convention. I believe you can maybe get 3 states at the most no politician in their right minds is going to vote for an Amendment. It would be hilarious watching Democrats get their asses handed to them on this issue.