Those who want to ban all guns do not live in the real world
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I sympathise. Other people's school kids are a really good bargain. A steal, in fact. One won't find a better price of freedom anywhere.
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Lol. Will you feel happier if the transaction is termed 'forced sale'?
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2aguy
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Then I will
Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United States, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and developmentwww.gunpolicy.org
USA: 120.5 guns per 100 people. Gun homicides: 4.39
UK: 5.03 guns per 100 people. Gun homicides: 0.02
Germany: 32.47 guns per 100 people. Gun homicides: 0.06
Switzerland: between 28.31 and 41.28 per 100 people. Gun homicides: 0.13
Japan: 0.25 guns per 100 people. Gun homicides: 0 (they get some, 0.4 is the highest year, usually it's around 0 to 0.01.
Spain: 7.5 gun per 100 people. Gun homicides: 0.1
Clearly this is not an exact science. Spain has less guns per 100 people than Germany but a higher number of homicides. There are plenty of cultural things going on. Also, if one person owns one gun, it's different than if they own ten guns. It depends on how countries define how many guns are in the country, legal or illegal etc. Some of these might just be guestimates.
Germany has 5% of people living at home with a gun, Spain has 12%. So, clearly there's something else going on there.
In 2012 after a mass gun killing, Germany found that 1.4 million people owned 5.5 million guns.
However the biggest thing here is easy access to guns. Number of guns doesn't tell us that much, in the US there is such easily availability of guns, whereas countries like German and Switzerland it's much harder to get guns, and people are forced to be much more responsible with their guns.
You forgot to factor in the 12 million innocent men, women and children murderd bt the Governments of Europe over 6 years....
In 87 years of gun murder in the U.S. we arent even close to that number......879,000 over 87 years
12 million in 6.
After the people of Europe had their guns taken with the same promises of safety that you keep giving.....the governments that made that promise either committed the murder or handed their citizens to the socialists to be murdered....
Governments are the worst murderers when they go rogue......but first, they always take the guns....
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lives saved by people with guns.......from rape, robbery, murder, beatings and stabbings........
600 million guns in private hands......over 21.25 million Americans can carry guns legally in public for self defense.........
American use those legal guns 1.2 million times a year to stop rapes, stabbings, beatings, robberies, and murders, as well as also stopping mass public shootings when they are allowed to have their legal guns with them...
Gun deaths...the truth....
2019...
Gun murder...10,235
Gun accidents...486
Of the gun murder deaths....over 70-80% of the victims are not regular Americans....they are criminals...murdered by other criminals in primarily democrat party controlled cities....where the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians have released them over and over again no matter how many times they are arrested for felony, illegal gun possession and violent crimes with guns...that's on you and your political party...not normal gun owners.
Gun suicides... 23,491...
Americans use their legal guns 1.2million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, murders......according to the Centers for Disease Control, and 1.5 million times according to the Department of Justice.
Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?
Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct
that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—
Money saved from people not being beaten, raped, murdered, robbed?.......
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.
Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.
Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns
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Here ....answer these questions...
You, as all anti-gun extremists do, stand on the bodies of dead children and smear yourself with their blood......you think that the tragedy of a child death gives you power.....
Meanwhile, guns save lives.......lots of lives every single year.........
According to you, if we must ban guns to save the lives of children....then cars, which kill far more children each and every year, must also be banned....right?
Cars killed 1,787 children ages 0-16 in 2019...
Guns? 269 ages 0-14....I stopped at 14 because around 15, gang members at that age are no longer simple children......
So.......if we need to ban guns because a total of 269 children died from gun violence......then cars must be banned too....correct?
A few more questions.....
A woman is grabbed by a violent serial rapist at a bus stop, a train platform or in her apartment...he plans on beating, raping and murdering her. She has a gun, and can stop the rape with the gun......
Do you want her to use that gun to stop the rape?
A woman stops an attack with a gun, a brutal rape, torture and murder...in a public space....if you had the ability to go back in time, and prevent her from having that gun...would you?
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The British government will not allow a woman to own and carry a gun to prevent being gang raped in a London park.....saying she does not have "good reason," to own the gun.
A member of the House of Lords wants to quail hunt with his rich friends on his private country estate, and the British government gives him the gun....because he has "good reason."
Does this make sense to you?
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269 children died from gun violence....mostly the children of criminals who should have been in jail, but released by the democrat party over and over again...children caught in the crossfire of their criminal parent, targeted by other criminals.....
51 children died from accidental gun deaths......again, mostly because the criminal parent didn't secure their illegally possessed gun....
Cars killed 1,787 children ages 0-16....
So again, according to your logic, all cars must be banned.......correct?
Meanwhile....Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to save lives.....according to the Centers for Disease Control...
Can you tell which number is bigger, and which number represents more lives saved?
Abatis
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Sure, that's closer but perhaps complete honesty is in order? Under the most generous terms let's call it dimes-on-the-dollar compensated confiscation . . .
Make no mistake though, it remains the confiscation of lawfully owned property impressed on people who have not been even suspected of any crime . . .
Because -- CRIME!
Only statist jack-booted authoritarian leftists could dream such shit up.
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I feel it was an excellent response. It is tough to have a intelligent exchange with a person consumed by fear. Don't worry, you are going to be OK even without your guns. The boogeyman is not out to get you.
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Americans are killing Americans, with guns, at a higher rate than European governments are killings people with guns. Plus, I have lived in western Europe and you are full of bullshit.
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How is this a meaningful comparison?
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C_Clayton_Jones
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The dishonest right will never stop lying about guns being banned and confiscated, of course.
C_Clayton_Jones
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Eight years of conservatives lying, not one gun banned or confiscated.
M14 Shooter
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No we don't. Leave other people alone, or your name is Mudd.
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