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[Dante]

To understand the US Constitution. That sentence, It sounds so simple. But if it were that simple the leaders of the USA during the 1700s would not have had such vociferous disagreements over it. Yet they did.

I seem to remember an argument, a back and forth on this very subject here. Let me find it:
BINGO!

The OP had the honor and decency and respect for rules here, that he put it in the POLITICS Forum - because it was a partisan piece.

Of course, they advocated for a representative republic.. but "democracy"? No. Democracy itself is evil.

It gives the right of 2 unified people to kill a third person for whatever reason they desire. AKA "Mob rule".

America is not "mob rule". Sorry Democrats.

You are so simplistically wrong here because the founders mentioned "grand depository of the democratic principle of government" - Virginia's George Mason with Madison arguing on his side.

U.S. Senate: About the Senate and the Constitution

www.senate.gov

This is arguing for a bicameral legislature with a lower house representing the people - democratic principle.

Even calling the USA a democratic-republic sets people like you off. It highlights an ignorance of what is being claimed: A republican form of government using a democratic system of principles and tools.

The comment(s) and the link put out by Martin is instructive. A civil argument between Two Virginian Leaders of the new nation.

U.S. Senate: About the Senate and the Constitution

www.senate.gov

Origins and Foundations​

The Senate and the Constitution



In 1787 the framers of the United States Constitution established in Article I the structure and powers of Congress. They debated the idea of a Congress made up of two houses. One house would be, in the words of Virginia’s George Mason, the “grand depository of the democratic principle of government.” To counter this popular influence in the national government, James Madison of Virginia proposed another house that would be small, deliberative, and independent from the larger, more democratic house. This became the Senate.

 

[Darkwind]

Thankfully, Democracy over Representative Republic lost.

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Thankfully, Democracy over Representative Republic lost.

What debate are you referring too?

There was no debate or fight over whether the USA would be a democracy or a republic. Where did you go to school - at home?

 

[Darkwind]

What debate are you referring too?

There was no debate or fight over whether the USA would be a democracy or a republic. Where did you go to school - at home?

Read your fucking post, idiot.

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Thankfully, Democracy over Representative Republic lost.

What debate are you referring too?

There was no debate or fight over whether the USA would be a democracy or a republic. Where did you go to school - at home?

Read your fucking post, idiot.

Like that Mr. Friscus - "You are so simplistically wrong here because the founders mentioned "grand depository of the democratic principle of government" - Virginia's George Mason with Madison arguing on his side."

The debate wasn't about the USA being a democracy vs a republic. Try a course on reading and comprehension.

Mason wasn't arguing that the nation be a democracy vs a republic. The Framers were debating and arguing over systems to use, and how to use those systems in forming a government. There are more than one type of 'republics" and the framers were struggling over how to set one up.

The post below is about the principles to be used in setting up a bicameral, legislative branch of government.

And the USA is not a "representative republic"


You remind me of this guy:

By definition, a republic is a representative form of government that is ruled according
to a charter, or constitution, and a democracy is a government that is ruled according
to the will of the majority. Although these forms of government are often confused,
they are quite different. The main difference between a republic and a democracy is
the charter or constitution that limits power in a republic, often to protect the
individual's rights against the desires of the majority.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/asaferconnecticut/tmy/0128/John%20C%20Aldieri.pdf

John C. Aldieri
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Southington Fire Dept
Southington Ct 06489
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Mr. Aldieri is like you -- confused. He's writing as if speaking off the top of his head -- Trump-style -- little deep thought going into an argument. Like republics, and democracies also have charters and or constitutions.

Low information people who have swallowed a rightwing/libetarian indoctrination whole, tend to speak that way. The Framers and myself are usually arguing principles of government, and you people are believing a mere mention of a term (democracy) is a challenge to be argued over democracy vs whatever. Republics use democratic principles in setting up government bodies and functions.

To understand the US Constitution. That sentence, It sounds so simple. But if it were that simple the leaders of the USA during the 1700s would not have had such vociferous disagreements over it. Yet they did.

I seem to remember an argument, a back and forth on this very subject here. Let me find it:
BINGO!

The OP had the honor and decency and respect for rules here, that he put it in the POLITICS Forum - because it was a partisan piece.



The comment(s) and the link put out by Martin is instructive. A civil argument between Two Virginian Leaders of the new nation.

U.S. Senate: About the Senate and the Constitution

www.senate.gov

Origins and Foundations​

The Senate and the Constitution



In 1787 the framers of the United States Constitution established in Article I the structure and powers of Congress. They debated the idea of a Congress made up of two houses. One house would be, in the words of Virginia’s George Mason, the “grand depository of the democratic principle of government.” To counter this popular influence in the national government, James Madison of Virginia proposed another house that would be small, deliberative, and independent from the larger, more democratic house. This became the Senate.

 

[Dante]

"To understand the US Constitution."

5 words

 

[PeterPilot]

Thankfully, Democracy over Representative Republic lost.

You're kidding yourself if you think we have a democracy here.

I'm defining a democracy as a model in which the people control the government, in which the government does as the people wish.

In truth we have an oligarchy, a model in which the government is controlled by special interests, a fascist model in which corporations control the government.

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

You're kidding yourself if you think we have a democracy here.

I'm defining a democracy as a model in which the people control the government, in which the government does as the people wish.

In truth we have an oligarchy, a model in which the government is controlled by special interests, a fascist model in which corporations control the government.

Representative democracy is democracy.

Arguing with you and your narratives would be like trying to speak reality to religious fundamentalists.

 

[Stryder50]

To understand the US Constitution. That sentence, It sounds so simple. But if it were that simple the leaders of the USA during the 1700s would not have had such vociferous disagreements over it. Yet they did.

I seem to remember an argument, a back and forth on this very subject here. Let me find it:
BINGO!

The OP had the honor and decency and respect for rules here, that he put it in the POLITICS Forum - because it was a partisan piece.



The comment(s) and the link put out by Martin is instructive. A civil argument between Two Virginian Leaders of the new nation.

U.S. Senate: About the Senate and the Constitution

www.senate.gov

Origins and Foundations​

The Senate and the Constitution



In 1787 the framers of the United States Constitution established in Article I the structure and powers of Congress. They debated the idea of a Congress made up of two houses. One house would be, in the words of Virginia’s George Mason, the “grand depository of the democratic principle of government.” To counter this popular influence in the national government, James Madison of Virginia proposed another house that would be small, deliberative, and independent from the larger, more democratic house. This became the Senate.

You thread title is incorrect, since nearly everything you present here is Partisan to the Left~Marxism, etc.

 

[Robert W]

In 1787 the framers of the United States Constitution established in Article I the structure and powers of Congress. They debated the idea of a Congress made up of two houses. One house would be, in the words of Virginia’s George Mason, the “grand depository of the democratic principle of government.” To counter this popular influence in the national government, James Madison of Virginia proposed another house that would be small, deliberative, and independent from the larger, more democratic house. This became the Senate.

The Senate reported to the states they came from to solicit advice from the states.

 

[hondo 50]

"Sans." what a stupid word to use.

 

[Captain Caveman]

To understand the US Constitution. That sentence, It sounds so simple. But if it were that simple the leaders of the USA during the 1700s would not have had such vociferous disagreements over it. Yet they did.

I seem to remember an argument, a back and forth on this very subject here. Let me find it:
BINGO!

The OP had the honor and decency and respect for rules here, that he put it in the POLITICS Forum - because it was a partisan piece.



The comment(s) and the link put out by Martin is instructive. A civil argument between Two Virginian Leaders of the new nation.

U.S. Senate: About the Senate and the Constitution

www.senate.gov

Origins and Foundations​

The Senate and the Constitution



In 1787 the framers of the United States Constitution established in Article I the structure and powers of Congress. They debated the idea of a Congress made up of two houses. One house would be, in the words of Virginia’s George Mason, the “grand depository of the democratic principle of government.” To counter this popular influence in the national government, James Madison of Virginia proposed another house that would be small, deliberative, and independent from the larger, more democratic house. This became the Senate.

In all the countries of the world, why is the constitution so sacrosanct in the US?

 

[sparky]

In all the countries of the world, why is the constitution so sacrosanct in the US?

because it's seen as the gold standard of freedom for the people , you'd need to go back to the magna carta for anything close Cave dude....~S~