This one is for the gun grabbers. Explain this.

[Cellblock2429]

I did not say that guns were responsible for low crime rates. I said they were not responsible for HIGH crime rates. But you might want to ask yourself why the top ten cities, crimewise, have some of the toughest gunlaws.

I imagine that the top 10 cities, crimewise, have some of the toughest gunlaws because they are the top 10 cities, crimewise...

How often do criminals obey laws?

Depends on the risk/reward, but definitely not as often as most. why?

Just don't see how laws stop people who ignore them.

Not saying don't look for answers but if more laws equates to less crime, I could never explain Chicago or LA gang violence.

Well laws do work to some degree to help crime. We aren't living in the wild west anymore nor are we living in Central Africa or areas in the middle east that are basically run by gangs, thugs and violent corruption. So with that said we know that the rule of law is conducive to a civilized and safe society. There is no universal system that will work everywhere so the needs of each city and society need to be analyzed so the best laws, and enforcement policies are put in place.

There will never be a solution that gets rid of all violence or all gun violence or all mass shootings, but there are things that can be done to limit the consistency and the damage that is done. We need to be able to have a conversation about the realistic middle ground and not about the extreme absolutes.

/—-/ OK I’ll start the conversation: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Your response?

 

[g5000]

Wyoming has more guns per capita than any other state. They have open carry, and you do not need a permit to carry concealed. Yet the crime rate is 40 percent less than the national average, with some cities well below that. Some of them are among the safest places to live in America. So, if guns are the problem, as you believe, why aren't people being gunned down in the streets?

Because the people in Wyoming are all six miles apart from each other, and NO ONE is that good a crack shot.

So, we have a nother liberal agreeing that it's not the guns fault. Thanks for playing.

Hey, retard. I'm pro gun.

 

[Slade3200]

You could also say that the poor are responsible for the vast majority of the crime. Shall we demonize the poor as well?

So what if the black thugs are poor. It's no excuse. There are many poor people, Most of them are white, but blacks are the poor people committing all the violent crime.

I'm not going to get into an ugly race conversation with you. I don't have the energy for it today. It is pointless and divisive and only pours fuel on the fire. Just ask yourself where you think it is going to lead if you only point your finger at an entire race to place blame... Are you expecting all the blacks to say, wow, your are right, we suck and we are responsible, we will just go back to Africa now... I honestly can't comprehend where your head is at when you spew this garbage.

I'm simply stating the facts. It's not racist. It's statistics. Blacks are responsible for most violent crime. More precisely, it's a small percentage of blacks. Can you deny this?

No I don't deny it. I also don't think it is a useful thing to focus on. The root cause is poverty and gang culture. Placing blame on the "blacks" is only going to fuel devision. Can you deny that?

And yet poor white people are only responsible for 5 percent of crime. Probably less.

What’s your point?

 

[Slade3200]

I imagine that the top 10 cities, crimewise, have some of the toughest gunlaws because they are the top 10 cities, crimewise...

How often do criminals obey laws?

Depends on the risk/reward, but definitely not as often as most. why?

Just don't see how laws stop people who ignore them.

Not saying don't look for answers but if more laws equates to less crime, I could never explain Chicago or LA gang violence.

Well laws do work to some degree to help crime. We aren't living in the wild west anymore nor are we living in Central Africa or areas in the middle east that are basically run by gangs, thugs and violent corruption. So with that said we know that the rule of law is conducive to a civilized and safe society. There is no universal system that will work everywhere so the needs of each city and society need to be analyzed so the best laws, and enforcement policies are put in place.

There will never be a solution that gets rid of all violence or all gun violence or all mass shootings, but there are things that can be done to limit the consistency and the damage that is done. We need to be able to have a conversation about the realistic middle ground and not about the extreme absolutes.

/—-/ OK I’ll start the conversation: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Your response?

Sounds like you’re talking about the police and our rights to bear arms to defend ourselves

 

[g5000]

And yet poor white people are only responsible for 5 percent of crime. Probably less.

This is a Big Lie you just pulled out of your racist ass.

 

[RWNJ]

So what if the black thugs are poor. It's no excuse. There are many poor people, Most of them are white, but blacks are the poor people committing all the violent crime.

I'm not going to get into an ugly race conversation with you. I don't have the energy for it today. It is pointless and divisive and only pours fuel on the fire. Just ask yourself where you think it is going to lead if you only point your finger at an entire race to place blame... Are you expecting all the blacks to say, wow, your are right, we suck and we are responsible, we will just go back to Africa now... I honestly can't comprehend where your head is at when you spew this garbage.

I'm simply stating the facts. It's not racist. It's statistics. Blacks are responsible for most violent crime. More precisely, it's a small percentage of blacks. Can you deny this?

No I don't deny it. I also don't think it is a useful thing to focus on. The root cause is poverty and gang culture. Placing blame on the "blacks" is only going to fuel devision. Can you deny that?

And yet poor white people are only responsible for 5 percent of crime. Probably less.

What’s your point?

You mean, besides the one on your head?

 

[RWNJ]

And yet poor white people are only responsible for 5 percent of crime. Probably less.

This is a Big Lie you just pulled out of your racist ass.

Actually, I should have said violent crime. Whites are big on white collar crime.

 

[g5000]

And yet poor white people are only responsible for 5 percent of crime. Probably less.

This is a Big Lie you just pulled out of your racist ass.

Actually, I should have said violent crime. Whites are big on white collar crime.

That's still a Big Lie. Keep digging that hole, son.

 

[RWNJ]

Wyoming has more guns per capita than any other state. They have open carry, and you do not need a permit to carry concealed. Yet the crime rate is 40 percent less than the national average, with some cities well below that. Some of them are among the safest places to live in America. So, if guns are the problem, as you believe, why aren't people being gunned down in the streets?

Because the people in Wyoming are all six miles apart from each other, and NO ONE is that good a crack shot.

So, we have a nother liberal agreeing that it's not the guns fault. Thanks for playing.

Hey, retard. I'm pro gun.

Sorry. From your reply it seemed like you were arguing against the OP.

 

[Timmy]

You could also say that the poor are responsible for the vast majority of the crime. Shall we demonize the poor as well?

So what if the black thugs are poor. It's no excuse. There are many poor people, Most of them are white, but blacks are the poor people committing all the violent crime.

I'm not going to get into an ugly race conversation with you. I don't have the energy for it today. It is pointless and divisive and only pours fuel on the fire. Just ask yourself where you think it is going to lead if you only point your finger at an entire race to place blame... Are you expecting all the blacks to say, wow, your are right, we suck and we are responsible, we will just go back to Africa now... I honestly can't comprehend where your head is at when you spew this garbage.

I'm simply stating the facts. It's not racist. It's statistics. Blacks are responsible for most violent crime. More precisely, it's a small percentage of blacks. Can you deny this?

No I don't deny it. I also don't think it is a useful thing to focus on. The root cause is poverty and gang culture. Placing blame on the "blacks" is only going to fuel devision. Can you deny that?

And yet poor white people are only responsible for 5 percent of crime. Probably less.

Liar !

Seriously , you righties are so disingenuous. Wyo has 5 people per square mile . No one lives there!

 

[Timmy]

I noticed you didn't post the actual list of most dangerous states : from the FBI STATS you love.


10- Arkansas
Florida
Maryland
Delaware
South Carolina
Louisiana
Tennessee
Nevada
New Mexico
1- Alaska .

All gun nut states , except for Maryland .

The Most Dangerous States in America

Do you know why those states are dangerous? It's because they have large cities that vote democrat. The majority of crime is in those democrat cities Just look at the crime rate in Tampa Bay, vs the rest of the state. The rest of the sate is cool to live in.

What's your point ? States control the gun laws . More guns = less crime is the premis of this thread .

If democrats were the problem then the worst list would be all democratic states now wouldn't it ?

You are either a fool or deliberately disingenuous. I repeat. Those states have large cities where most of the crime happens. The rural areas are reletively crime free.

Alaska is #1 ! What state has more rural areas than AK!?

Alaska is dengerous because of the climate. Not because of guns.

The stats don't take into account bear attacks . It's based on violent crime per capita .

3.8% black by the way . Oh let me guess , it's the injuns causing all the crime !

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wyoming has more guns per capita than any other state. They have open carry, and you do not need a permit to carry concealed. Yet the crime rate is 40 percent less than the national average, with some cities well below that. Some of them are among the safest places to live in America. So, if guns are the problem, as you believe, why aren't people being gunned down in the streets?

Ever been to Wyoming? Ever driven across the state? I've been all over that state because I loved riding all through it on a motorcycle when I was younger. And, I can tell you that there are places there where you can drive for up to an hour before you see another person, car, or house. It is VERY sparsely populated out there.

Less people equals less crime.

If the crime is based per capita, how do you explain the difference?

In Wyoming, your chances of being the victim of violent crime is 1 in 450. I like those odds.

I was explaining the reason to titless WAVE who is questioning the validity of your data.

 

[Slade3200]

I'm not going to get into an ugly race conversation with you. I don't have the energy for it today. It is pointless and divisive and only pours fuel on the fire. Just ask yourself where you think it is going to lead if you only point your finger at an entire race to place blame... Are you expecting all the blacks to say, wow, your are right, we suck and we are responsible, we will just go back to Africa now... I honestly can't comprehend where your head is at when you spew this garbage.

I'm simply stating the facts. It's not racist. It's statistics. Blacks are responsible for most violent crime. More precisely, it's a small percentage of blacks. Can you deny this?

No I don't deny it. I also don't think it is a useful thing to focus on. The root cause is poverty and gang culture. Placing blame on the "blacks" is only going to fuel devision. Can you deny that?

And yet poor white people are only responsible for 5 percent of crime. Probably less.

What’s your point?

You mean, besides the one on your head?

Huh? Is that really all you got? Bed time for you man you’re acting like a child

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Did I say they were?
How do you know that the guns are responsible for the lower crime rate?

Unless you are stupid then you might want to reconsider a criminal lifestyle where most everyone is armed. Not you though.....

I would bet that most small towns have similar stats.

Then by your reasoning, liberals cause crime because all large urban centers are infested with the vermin.

No, large dynamic populations have larger problems including crime.

Blacks are responsible for 95 percent of all violent crime, and half of all murders. You cannot point to a single city with a largy black population that isn't a crime infested hellhole.

How do you jump straight to that?
You no doubt started this thread just for an opportunity to drop that turd.

 

[Geaux4it]

Wyoming has more guns per capita than any other state. They have open carry, and you do not need a permit to carry concealed. Yet the crime rate is 40 percent less than the national average, with some cities well below that. Some of them are among the safest places to live in America. So, if guns are the problem, as you believe, why aren't people being gunned down in the streets?

I'll go out on a limb and say

'Because folks from Montana are mostly white?

-Geaux

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Part of the reason that there is so much violence and crime in the big cities is because the people are closely pressed together and don't have time to decompress from constant contact.

If you put a bunch of rats together in an area where they each have enough room, they are peaceful and will coexist.

If you place a whole bunch of rats together in an area where they are crawling all over each other, they will end up fighting and killing each other until there is enough room to comfortably accommodate the survivors.

In that case, why don't the Japanese, Chinese and Indians kill each other? They are stacked like cord wood.

 

[RWNJ]

And yet poor white people are only responsible for 5 percent of crime. Probably less.

This is a Big Lie you just pulled out of your racist ass.

Actually, I should have said violent crime. Whites are big on white collar crime.

That's still a Big Lie. Keep digging that hole, son.

No matter what percentages you use, Blacks are responsible for the majority of crime based on population percentage. For instance, blacks are responsible for half of all non negligent homicides, but are only 13 percent of the population. I don't care what their situation is, economically, or otherwise. There is no excuse for murder. And blacks commit half of all murders in the U.S. That's a fact.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Wyoming has more guns per capita than any other state. They have open carry, and you do not need a permit to carry concealed. Yet the crime rate is 40 percent less than the national average, with some cities well below that. Some of them are among the safest places to live in America. So, if guns are the problem, as you believe, why aren't people being gunned down in the streets?

Because there's like 300 people there each separated by 50 miles.

There are two cities with a population in excess of 60,000. Of the top ten, cities, the smallest is ten thousand. Try again.

The point is, there just isn't a large enough population to have the dynamics that cause more crime like we see in more densely populated areas.

The dynamic for violance exists everywhere. Casper has the dynamic. So does Cheyenne.

Not in the same ways. There are exponentially more dynamics contributing to crime in large populations. When did this become about violent crime?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No matter what percentages you use, Blacks are responsible for the majority of crime based on population percentage. For instance, blacks are responsible for half of all non negligent homicides, but are only 13 percent of the population. I don't care what their situation is, economically, or otherwise. There is no excuse for murder. And blacks commit half of all murders in the U.S. That's a fact.

Another fact is that it's mostly black males, so it's not 13% of our population committing over half of the murders, it's more like 7%.

 

[Timmy]

Part of the reason that there is so much violence and crime in the big cities is because the people are closely pressed together and don't have time to decompress from constant contact.

If you put a bunch of rats together in an area where they each have enough room, they are peaceful and will coexist.

If you place a whole bunch of rats together in an area where they are crawling all over each other, they will end up fighting and killing each other until there is enough room to comfortably accommodate the survivors.

In that case, why don't the Japanese, Chinese and Indians kill each other? They are stacked like cord wood.

They don't have millions of guns lying around .

/ end thread.