This is why the U.S. middle class collapsed

[Darkwind]

My, how short the memories are. What's even worse is that you think we can magically go back to being a production economy. Sorry to say, that ship has long sailed. And the economy will be long in ruins and Skippy will be long gone by time this country is able to make it back there.

We are a service economy. Have been for a few decades now. And we were doing quite nicely. Until Amateur Hour blew into town.
Unfortunately, that's what happens when you elect a hack and he hires hacks to run government like a business..you get chaos.

This too..shall pass. What's done, can be undone.

The battle cry of the left.

It's too hard so don't even try!

It's bullshit anyway. We can bring back a manufacturing base with the associated good wages.

We just have to get rid of the exploiters who want to exploit the brown and brown adjacent people of the world for cheap veggies.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

I made clear and serious points. Try addressing them. I addressed yours, pretty civilly too. Might be a good idea to return that civility.

What points? You post in generalities. i don't respond because you are posting your opinion. Not facts.

That is true. I recall the early signs back in the 70s.



Err, why not? I mean, it is a very different question from why not TODAY, but in the late 70s? YOu really think that even then, it was "too late" to control events at all?

Because we will never be a production economy again. Companies found out back 50 years or so ago they could manufacture goods out of the country at cheaper plant and labor costs. And so it began. No amount of tariff slapping will change that. Not unless you are willing to pay American workers peanuts for a salary, willing to strongarm communities into giving corporations massive sweetheart tax breaks to build their plants in, ignore just about every environmental and labor law violation, and then run those plants 24x7 using whatever resources necessary and then you might...I say might be able to get production prices low enough for the American consumer to consider.

That's a strong claim. Would you like to explain that?

Explained above.

I've made no asertion or point based on any "savior" having "pure motives".


Oh, wait. THIS is your support of your point! You are doing that lib thing where you use RIDICULE as a form of SUPPORTING ARGUMENT.

Wow. So, in reality, that is a complete fail on your part.

You are unable to engage in discussion to support your points, AT ALL.

But you swallow everything he and his hacks churn out whole. Without question or questioning.

 

[braalian]

OK then we should just keep on with the same approach that has worked so well for 40 years? Open borders and globalism? House prices and college prices that keep on increasing, exponentially? Explain.

I don’t know what the answer is. But hoping to go back to some sort of mid-century model of entry level middle class blue collar jobs for every schmuck right out of HS is never going to happen.

That era was brief and it existed under a very specific set of conditions where nearly 100% of the rest of the world was either devastated by WWII or else emerging from colonialism.

We will never be in that position with that much of a leg up on the world again. It will never happen.

I’m sure there’s a better option, but really really wishing it was 1960 again is not an option

 

[CrazyTrader55]

I don’t know what the answer is. But hoping to go back to some sort of mid-century model of entry level middle class blue collar jobs for every schmuck right out of HS is never going to happen.

That era was brief and it existed under a very specific set of conditions where nearly 100% of the rest of the world was either devastated by WWII or else emerging from colonialism.

We will never be in that position with that much of a leg up on the world again. It will never happen.

I’m sure there’s a better option, but really really wishing it was 1960 again is not an option

I gave you a thumbs up for being honest.

 

[Hellokitty]

Not even remotely true. The middle class was destroyed because business used to have ethics and though about their workers as much as they thought about their stock prices. Tariffs had nothing to do with it.

LOL, what's ethical in business buy cheep products from China?

 

[Hellokitty]

I think people are kidding themselves if they believe tariffs- or anything else- will bring back the days of abundant middle class factory jobs.

Those days are gone forever and ever. They’re never coming back

If liberals don't think we can grow a better stronger economy why do you guys want to keep flooding the country with illegals?

 

[Hellokitty]

I don’t know what the answer is. But hoping to go back to some sort of mid-century model of entry level middle class blue collar jobs for every schmuck right out of HS is never going to happen.

That era was brief and it existed under a very specific set of conditions where nearly 100% of the rest of the world was either devastated by WWII or else emerging from colonialism.

We will never be in that position with that much of a leg up on the world again. It will never happen.

I’m sure there’s a better option, but really really wishing it was 1960 again is not an option

We have a leg up with all the countries dependent on importing products to the US.

 

[SeaMajor7]

My, how short the memories are. What's even worse is that you think we can magically go back to being a production economy. Sorry to say, that ship has long sailed. And the economy will be long in ruins and Skippy will be long gone by time this country is able to make it back there.

We are a service economy. Have been for a few decades now. And we were doing quite nicely. Until Amateur Hour blew into town.
Unfortunately, that's what happens when you elect a hack and he hires hacks to run government like a business..you get chaos.

This too..shall pass. What's done, can be undone.

JackOfNoTrades
"We are a service economy".......

Says it all about this dip-shit.

 

[TimFitz]

My, how short the memories are. What's even worse is that you think we can magically go back to being a production economy. Sorry to say, that ship has long sailed. And the economy will be long in ruins and Skippy will be long gone by time this country is able to make it back there.

We are a service economy. Have been for a few decades now. And we were doing quite nicely. Until Amateur Hour blew into town.
Unfortunately, that's what happens when you elect a hack and he hires hacks to run government like a business..you get chaos.

This too..shall pass. What's done, can be undone.

This is the Trump pitch to the rust belt.

A simple solution for simple minds.

The fantasy that the US will once again depend on steel mills, railroads, and automobiles for its economic future.

Coupled with the equally appealing fantasy that low skill high pay jobs will return.

 

[TimFitz]

Bill Clinton let the globalists rape the working class. And why not? Walmart wanted to import Chinese goods to be sold at a low price, so they hired the right couple for the job.

And what did they do specificallyTo make that happen?

Or did you make that up too, and try to use a non sequiter.

 

[DonGlock26]

And what did they do specificallyTo make that happen?

Or did you make that up too, and try to use a non sequiter.

That's a poorly worded question. What are you asking? Be specific.

 

[candycorn]

Who was making $40 per hour when Bill Clinton let China crush our steel industry?

The same folks who were making $40 an hour when Reagan auctioned off our industries and Bush’s top advisor famously said, “potato chips/computer chips, whats the difference?"

 

[Mac-7]

My, how short the memories are. What's even worse is that you think we can magically go back to being a production economy. Sorry to say, that ship has long sailed. And the economy will be long in ruins and Skippy will be long gone by time this country is able to make it back there.

We are a service economy. Have been for a few decades now. And we were doing quite nicely. Until Amateur Hour blew into town.
Unfortunately, that's what happens when you elect a hack and he hires hacks to run government like a business..you get chaos.

This too..shall pass. What's done, can be undone.

We cant eat or wear or drive services

America must produce the things we consume

 

[candycorn]

LOL, what's ethical in business buy cheep products from China?

What was ethical is that from the CEO to the guy who swept the floor was in it together. Now? The CEO could care less about the guy on the factory floor as long as the investors are happy. And the only way the investors are happy is if profits are always growing.

 

[TimFitz]

That's a poorly worded question. What are you asking? Be specific.

You essentially claimed that Clinton opened the door to Chinese goods.

You did not base that on any fact or specific action.
And you know exactly what my question is. You’re just dancing around.

Ypu can’t point to any specific action that Clinton took to open that door.

So, instead, you try and claim that it happened because Wal Mart (Arkansas larges employer), had the state’s first lady on their board.

 

[TimFitz]

We cant eat or wear or drive services

America must produce the things we consume

No, but the United States has been a service economy as far back as 1955.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

We cant eat or wear or drive services

America must produce the things we consume

We import those for the most part...have for decades. ^Shrug^.

 

[Mac-7]

No, but the United States has been a service economy as far back as 1955.

Not quite

But the decline has accelerated since 1995

 

[Mac-7]

We import those for the most part...have for decades. ^Shrug^.

And the middle class has been shrinking during the same time

 

[BrokeLoser]

It’s not a matter of who is or isn’t president

The world and the economy have changed too much. No president can bring back those days. No country in history has moved to a postindustrial society and then went back. That’s not how it works

How do you and buttercup suppose the companies making goods in America are staying profitable…And why can’t others adjust their model to match?