This is what happens when you do not build pipelines

[Plasmaball]

This happened because there are not enough pipelines. More oil goes by rail every year because environmentalists think pipelines are dangerous.

its more like we cant make it fast enough.

They have been ready to build the Keystone pipeline for years, and the project that it will take about a year to finish it.

What was your point?

i work at a mill that makes pipes for the oil/shale boom....We cant send it out fast enough.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

This happened because there are not enough pipelines. More oil goes by rail every year because environmentalists think pipelines are dangerous.

its more like we cant make it fast enough.

And we don't have enough refiners.

Could that be because the environmentalists keep fighting against them every time someone tries to build one?

 

[Plasmaball]

That's the point, dumbass. The completed Keystone pipeline process is intended to allow the oil to flow to the Gulf. The oil that reaches the Gulf will be exported--HENCE, no longer on the domestic oil market. The existing pipelines stop in the interior U.S. and is sold on those markets.

Get it yet? I don't know how else to say this.

SO F...kING what the difference???
Well idiot which would if you lived on the west coast prefer...
ANOTHER EXXON Valdez spilling millions of barrels or a simple 700 barrels per mile spill?

WHICH is a bigger risk and which has more DAMAGE capabilities???

1 million barrel tanker on the ocean traveling one mile or one mile of pipeline carrying 700 barrels???

IS THAT TOO complicated???

Simply tell me which is the bigger number??? WOW!!!

Exxon Valdez was a single hull tanker. Ever tanker that enters US territorial waters is required to have a double hull.

In case you don't understand what that means, there will never be another Exxon Valdez disaster.

there doesnt need to be, plenty of others ways to reach that size of a spill.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

wow this was a giant fail by OP. This train crashing does no mean pipes are superior in anyway.
Whats your solution for tankers that crash or people who steal oil from pipes and just dump out the left overs on the ground in order to make money? What about the couple drops you let fall out onto the ground when you pump your gas?

The op is evidence of what happens when you are lazy. dont let this happen to you folks...

Pipelines have less oil spilled per mile than trains.
Pipelines have fewer accidents than trains.
Pipelines have smaller spill than trains.

You are right, there is no reason to say pipelines are better than trains.

link....

Link to what? Your idiotic claim that pipelines are more dangerous?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

its more like we cant make it fast enough.

They have been ready to build the Keystone pipeline for years, and the project that it will take about a year to finish it.

What was your point?

i work at a mill that makes pipes for the oil/shale boom....We cant send it out fast enough.

The reason there is not enough capacity is idiots think pipelines are not safe.

 

[healthmyths]

wow this was a giant fail by OP. This train crashing does no mean pipes are superior in anyway.
Whats your solution for tankers that crash or people who steal oil from pipes and just dump out the left overs on the ground in order to make money? What about the couple drops you let fall out onto the ground when you pump your gas?

The op is evidence of what happens when you are lazy. dont let this happen to you folks...

Pipelines have less oil spilled per mile than trains.
Pipelines have fewer accidents than trains.
Pipelines have smaller spill than trains.

You are right, there is no reason to say pipelines are better than trains.

link....

FACTS with LINKS:
Oil tankers spilled 1,655,052 barrels spilled per year
Pipelines move 11.3 BILLION barrels per year and pipelines average
.88 Gallons per million barrels oil spilled by pipeline: 9,944 barrels.

HMMM... 1,655,052 barrels spilled by oil tankers is more then 9,944 barrels spilled by pipelines.

Oil tankers carry around 2,000,000,000 metric tons of oil each year, making them a very important subject in transportation geography.
Oil Tankers - Learn about Some of the World's Largest Oil Tanker Ships
139,024 tons were spilled per year...
or at 2,000 lbs/ton and 168 lbs/barrel that is 4 trillion lbs, at 168 lbs/barrel or 23.809 Billion barrels.
per one million barrels that is 23,809 barrels per million
69,512,195 gallons spilled (139,024 tons) per year.
Divide 69.512 million gallons by 23,809 barrels per million equals
2,919 gallons per one million barrels spilt by tankers.

Pipeline per above study was .88 gallons per one million barrels
That means shipping by oil tanker spills 3,318 times more oil then spilt by pipeline.

(Divide 2,919 by .88 gallons = 3,318 times)!


Now here are some FACTS to back my simple contention that given the choice between no pipeline but going by oil tanker... GEEZ the
proof seems to be more damage by tanker... my facts could be wrong though!!!

"The IEA found the risk of a rail spill is six times as high as the risk of a pipeline spill, but pipelines simply spill more when they rupture.
The agency looked at eight years of data from the U.S. Department of Transportation, from 2004 to 2012,
The study backs up research from the American Association of Railroads, released last month,
which found that rail transport spills 0.38 gallons of oil per million barrels moved, compared to 0.88 gallons for pipelines."
But cost could prove to be an obstacle. The cost of moving a barrel of oilsands bitumen by pipeline is estimated at around $10, compared to around $15 to $18 for rail, with some estimates as high as $30 a barrel to ship oil by rail.
Pipeline Spills Release Three Times As Much Oil As Rail Spills: IEA

So how many thousands of barrels of oil is that will in a typical year trains moves?
Moved by Rail
Total Crude Carloads 2002-2012
TOTAL Crude Carloads = 400,441 carloads
TOTAL Crude Gallons = 11,212,348,000 gallons (appx. 28K gal. per carload)
TOTAL Crude Barrels = 266,960,667 barrels (appx.)
https://www.aar.org/safety/Documents/Just the Facts on Hazmat and Crude Oil Safety.pdf

So that is an average over 10 years of 26.6 million barrels moved by rail.
So if using the average of .38 gallons per 1 million barrels in a year the amount of oil spilled by trains is:
424 barrels per year!

Moved by Pipeline transportation
Interstate pipelines deliver over 11.3 billion barrels of petroleum each year.
AOPL*| Why Pipelines?

So if there are 11.3 BILLION barrels per year and pipelines average .88 Gallons per million barrels oil spilled by pipeline:
9,944 barrels.

OK how about oil tankers???
Approximately 5.7 million tonnes of oil were lost as a result of tanker incidents from 1970 to 2011.
http://www.itopf.com/information-services/publications/documents/STATSPACK2011.pdf

5,700,000 tons of oil spilled over 41 years...

5,700,000 tons is equal to 11.4 billion pounds of oil
one barrel contains 42 gallons or at 16 oz per pound 168 pounds of oil
11.4 billion pounds spilled over 41 years is 67.857 million barrels of oil spilled OR

1,655,052 barrels spilled per year by oil tankers!

WOW.. that's nearly 166 TIMES what would be spilled by pipelines per year and 3,900 times spilled by trains!

And YOU STILL want 1 million barrels a day by OIL TANKER being shipped instead of a train or a pipeline????

 

[tinydancer]

They are always worse than pipeline accidents?

The 2011 Nairobi pipeline fire was caused by an explosion secondary to a fuel spill in the Kenyan capital Nairobi on 12 September 2011.[1] Approximately 100 people were killed in the fire and at least 116 others were hospitalized with varying degrees of burns.[2] The incident was not the first such pipeline accident in Kenya,[1] with the Molo fire of 2009 resulting in at least 133 fatalities and hundreds more injured.

2011 Nairobi pipeline fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1998: At Jesse in the Niger Delta in Nigeria, a petroleum pipeline exploded killing about 1200 villagers, some of whom were scavenging gasoline. The worst of several similar incidents in this country.[8] (October 17, 1998)
2000: Another pipeline explosion near the town of Jesse killed about 250 villagers.[8] (July 10, 2000)
2000: At least 100 villagers died when a ruptured pipeline exploded in Warri.[8] (July 16, 2000)
2000: A leaking pipeline caught fire near the fishing village of Ebute near Lagos, killing at least 60 people.[8] (November 30, 2000)
2003: A pipeline punctured by thieves exploded and killed 125 villagers near Umuahia, Abia State.[8] (June 19, 2003)
2004: A pipeline punctured by thieves exploded and killed dozens of people in Lagos State.[8] (September 17, 2004)
2006: An oil pipeline punctured by thieves exploded and killed 150 people at the Atlas Creek Island in Lagos State.[9] (May 12, 2006)
2006: A vandalised oil pipeline exploded in Lagos. Up to 500 people may have been killed.[10] (December 26, 2006)
2008: The 2008 Ijegun pipeline explosion (May 16)
Russia
List of pipeline accidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

989 The Ufa train disaster: Sparks from two passing trains caused gas leaking from an LPG pipeline near Ufa, Russia to explode. Workers with the pipeline noticed pressure dropping in the line, but they increased pressure instead of searching for a leak. Trees up to 4 kilometers away were felled by the blast, and 2 locomotives and 38 passenger cars on the trains were derailed. Up to 645 people were reported killed on June 4, 1989.[11]

List of pipeline accidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And if you want to make the argument of poor keep up of Pipelines, I will privately send you a link from a Frontline interview my friend's dad did on the poor conditions BP keeps its pipes in Alaska........Where he is an engineer.

I think the Pipeline sounds like a great idea.......In theory.


And did the oil spill into a body of water?


http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2002/PAR0202.pdf

:rotflmao:

You are putting up pipeline explosions in Africa? Read what you put up. In almost every case the pipeline was ruptured by thieves.

Sheesh.

You stated train accidents are always worse than pipeline disasters. And it was in Canada. Your point?
And I don't think the one in Russia or here was thieves.
How about the pipeline link recently?

I'm not denying that there are leaks and accidents.

BUT if you look at the miles and miles of the pipelines in NA and compare the accidents to the amount of oil and gas pumping thru them on a daily basis, there is no doubt that the pipelines have an excellent safety record.

Every day millions of gallons are pumped across our continent. Very few accidents comparatively.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

SO F...kING what the difference???
Well idiot which would if you lived on the west coast prefer...
ANOTHER EXXON Valdez spilling millions of barrels or a simple 700 barrels per mile spill?

WHICH is a bigger risk and which has more DAMAGE capabilities???

1 million barrel tanker on the ocean traveling one mile or one mile of pipeline carrying 700 barrels???

IS THAT TOO complicated???

Simply tell me which is the bigger number??? WOW!!!

Exxon Valdez was a single hull tanker. Ever tanker that enters US territorial waters is required to have a double hull.

In case you don't understand what that means, there will never be another Exxon Valdez disaster.

there doesnt need to be, plenty of others ways to reach that size of a spill.

Like the tanker getting attacked by a kaiju?

 

[Plasmaball]

Pipelines have less oil spilled per mile than trains.
Pipelines have fewer accidents than trains.
Pipelines have smaller spill than trains.

You are right, there is no reason to say pipelines are better than trains.

link....

Link to what? Your idiotic claim that pipelines are more dangerous?

so you dont have a link proving your claims.....

 

[Plasmaball]

Exxon Valdez was a single hull tanker. Ever tanker that enters US territorial waters is required to have a double hull.

In case you don't understand what that means, there will never be another Exxon Valdez disaster.

there doesnt need to be, plenty of others ways to reach that size of a spill.

Like the tanker getting attacked by a kaiju?

i've already listed the ways....go read...i see we are being lazy today in trollville.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

link....

Link to what? Your idiotic claim that pipelines are more dangerous?

so you dont have a link proving your claims.....

I didn't make a claim, I just mocked the claim you made that trains are safer than pipelines.

 

[Plasmaball]

Link to what? Your idiotic claim that pipelines are more dangerous?

so you dont have a link proving your claims.....

I didn't make a claim, I just mocked the claim you made that trains are safer than pipelines.

then you have nothing.....got it....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

there doesnt need to be, plenty of others ways to reach that size of a spill.

Like the tanker getting attacked by a kaiju?

i've already listed the ways....go read...i see we are being lazy today in trollville.

You listed all the imaginary ways a supertanker could rupture both hulls and spill oil?

 

[Freemason9]

Stop it.

This is simply a cost/benefit question. It is LIKELY that completion of the Keystone pipeline will drive up domestic fuel prices, at least in the central U.S., due to diversion of Canadian crude away from our domestic markets due to exporting through the Gulf.

I do not see this as an environmental issue at all; economically, the Keystone pipeline is a bad deal for American consumers.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Stop it.

This is simply a cost/benefit question. It is LIKELY that completion of the Keystone pipeline will drive up domestic fuel prices, at least in the central U.S., due to diversion of Canadian crude away from our domestic markets due to exporting through the Gulf.

I do not see this as an environmental issue at all; economically, the Keystone pipeline is a bad deal for American consumers.

Is that because, if we don't build the pipeline, Canada will ship the oil to Vancouver and export it from there?

Want to try and explain that one?

 

[tinydancer]

Stop it.

This is simply a cost/benefit question. It is LIKELY that completion of the Keystone pipeline will drive up domestic fuel prices, at least in the central U.S., due to diversion of Canadian crude away from our domestic markets due to exporting through the Gulf.

I do not see this as an environmental issue at all; economically, the Keystone pipeline is a bad deal for American consumers.

Is that because, if we don't build the pipeline, Canada will ship the oil to Vancouver and export it from there?

Want to try and explain that one?

Ahhhhhhhhhh I so remember the arguments that Canada must get our oil to the Gulf to export it to China.

Obviously no one took geography that was debating with us at the time. It seemed they were unaware we border the Pacific and Atlantic.

 

[tinydancer]

Stop it.

This is simply a cost/benefit question. It is LIKELY that completion of the Keystone pipeline will drive up domestic fuel prices, at least in the central U.S., due to diversion of Canadian crude away from our domestic markets due to exporting through the Gulf.

I do not see this as an environmental issue at all; economically, the Keystone pipeline is a bad deal for American consumers.

We have so much oil we are swimming in it. Did Keystone I or Keystone II drive up your prices? Canada is your #1 supplier and will continue to be your number #1 supplier. There are international agreements.

Keystone III by the way is already underway. Did you know that? From Cushing to the Gulf. Didn't need Obama's signature on the deal.

It's almost complete.

TransCanada spokesman Grady Semmens said about 80 percent of the 450-mile pipeline has been completed so far this year.

Semmens told FuelFix, an energy blog of the Houston Chronicle, inspections and testing were the next steps for the southern U.S. project.

"Testing is well under way, and commissioning needs to be done prior to any oil being loaded into the pipeline to bring it into commercial service," he was quoted as saying Friday. "The Gulf Coast Pipeline is over 80 percent complete."

Critics opposing the project have moved to block the pipeline's construction. They are concerned about potential environmental issues stemming from Canadian oil production. Oil derived from Alberta is considered more carbon-intensive than conventional crude oil.

The Gulf Coast project should be able to deliver as much as 700,000 barrels of oil per day by the end of the year.


U.S. leg of Keystone XL nearly complete - UPI.com

 

[Plasmaball]

Like the tanker getting attacked by a kaiju?

i've already listed the ways....go read...i see we are being lazy today in trollville.

You listed all the imaginary ways a supertanker could rupture both hulls and spill oil?

sigh go troll someplace else

 

[bripat9643]

shit happens, deal with it.

It happens a lot more often when dumb shits like you make the decisions.

 

[tinydancer]

Who cause far more damage than a train crashing you dipshit. Just because its in one location doesn't make it a non legit story at all. Most of these thieves are doing it to support a family and maybe only make 80 bucks a day from it. It is massively dangerous.

The pipelines are being ruptured because the oil companies fucked those people over. These people went to a civil war in one nation over it.

Go educate yourself you low brow nothing.

Their governments **** them over. Elected or dictatorships you fool. The governments make excellent revenue from the oil companies.

They just don't pass it on to their people.

their governments sued on behalf of the people and won. The oil compainies promissed to build up areas and did not.

you literally dont know what you are talking about

Nigeria is a perfect example of government corruption and organized crime robbing their people.

Don't even try to make out that the people's poverty is brought about by the oil companies. That's ludicrous.

Chew on this.

Oil Theft Cripples Nigeria's Economy

The country is losing its battle against organised oil theft and the navy has revealed that it may not be able to contain the scourge.

Nigeria: Top Politicians, Generals Smile As Oil Theft Cripples Nigeria (analysis)

Daily Trust, 30 June 2013

Oil theft has become a major threat to the Nigerian economy, but those involved in the crime are highly connected personalities ....



Nigeria: NSCDC Arrests 473 Oil Thieves in Six Months

Daily Trust, 27 June 2013

A total of 473 suspected oil thieves have been arrested by the anti-vandal team of Nigeria Security and Civil Defence Corps (NSCDC) at the end of the first half of year 2013....



Nigeria: Rising Niger Delta Oil Theft Threatens Security

UN Integrated Regional Information Networks, 4 June 2013

Oil theft - known as bunkering - in Nigeria's Niger Delta region is soaring following a brief lull.....

allAfrica.com: InFocus » Oil Theft Cripples Nigeria's Economy