This is well said

From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
The constitution does not specify Hetero family units....BUT IT DOES SPECIFY progeny...... Got some Idea how that can work...Schmedley? Cuz if ya do I'm all in with the initial investment dude...or dudette or PRONOUN SPECIFIED or whatever the fuck.

JO

We have tens of thousands of kids needing adopted.

Gay couples can have kids in the same way some straight couples do. Surrogate, artificial insemination, etc.
Not without a female body being involved

Which does nothing to address my point.
I'm not talking about sexual preference or social convenience I'm telling you that adoption was not a part of the constitutional construct.

I care less. Kids still need adopted and the more available families the better.
the probem is what you consider a family,,


No it isn't.

Not All Abuse Survivors Welcome Boy Scouts $850M Bankruptcy Deal
 
Sure is a lot of sniveling in here by people who claim their candidate was the victor.




If you're so convinced, why do you care what anyone else thinks?










(But we both know the answer to that, now don't we? :cool: )


Please, don't waste anyone's time with attempted deflections here. Your side is the one doing all the bitching, whining, and talking of fraudits, restrictive election laws, and insurrection.
Biden won. Trump lost. Deal with it. Move on. Clinton lost in 2016 and we dealt with it. And before you run down that road, what Trump did while he was President was entirely his fault.
He's got no one to blame but himself for the holes he dug himself.

The Democrats' Demographic Demolition Derby

The biggest deflection, because it is shared by both sides, is the denial that feral minorities and Third World immigrants, imposed on us by government traitors against the will of the people who built America, were the deciding factor in the election. Allowing these parasites to vote was the only voter fraud. The Republicans will never win again unless we return to 1950s laws, which will also give us back the 1950s economy.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
Yeah, they also didn't have to worry about getting divorce raped in court either.

I never have understood why they wanted governmental approval.

If we want to get the government 100% out of it, cool with me but until then all deserve the same protections and benefits.
I want the government out of almost everything.

As far as I'm concerned, government should protect our borders and deliver the mail on time and not a damn thing else.

Fuck all those corrupt incompetent parasites.

Until then I'm going to argue for all to be treated the same.
You ever see me arguing against that?
Ever?
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
We knew all along that you dopes never loved America. You just had maladjusted and bastardized views of it that are no longer acceptable anywhere. So now you, of course, desire to blow it up and start anew. Fuck off. It will never happen. Either evolve to adjust yourself to the actual reality, STFU or get lost.
And if we don't?

What do you plan to do to us?
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
Yeah, they also didn't have to worry about getting divorce raped in court either.

I never have understood why they wanted governmental approval.

If we want to get the government 100% out of it, cool with me but until then all deserve the same protections and benefits.
I want the government out of almost everything.

As far as I'm concerned, government should protect our borders and deliver the mail on time and not a damn thing else.

Fuck all those corrupt incompetent parasites.

Until then I'm going to argue for all to be treated the same.
You ever see me arguing against that?
Ever?

I noted that you and I were the only ones to support the 11 in Massachusetts. Not even those who pretend to support the 2nd Amendment would do so. With that being the case I support it all falling apart and it will but until then I will side with those who want all treated equally.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
Yeah, they also didn't have to worry about getting divorce raped in court either.

I never have understood why they wanted governmental approval.

If we want to get the government 100% out of it, cool with me but until then all deserve the same protections and benefits.
I want the government out of almost everything.

As far as I'm concerned, government should protect our borders and deliver the mail on time and not a damn thing else.

Fuck all those corrupt incompetent parasites.

Until then I'm going to argue for all to be treated the same.
You ever see me arguing against that?
Ever?

I noted that you and I were the only ones to support the 11 in Massachusetts. Not even those who pretend to support the 2nd Amendment would do so. With that being the case I support it all falling apart and it will but until then I will side with those who want all treated equally.
Well it's going to fall apart all right but don't be in too big of a hurry.

Because it's going to really suck.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
The constitution does not specify Hetero family units....BUT IT DOES SPECIFY progeny...... Got some Idea how that can work...Schmedley? Cuz if ya do I'm all in with the initial investment dude...or dudette or PRONOUN SPECIFIED or whatever the fuck.

JO

We have tens of thousands of kids needing adopted.

Gay couples can have kids in the same way some straight couples do. Surrogate, artificial insemination, etc.
Not without a female body being involved

Which does nothing to address my point.
I'm not talking about sexual preference or social convenience I'm telling you that adoption was not a part of the constitutional construct.

I care less. Kids still need adopted and the more available families the better.
Homosexuality Is the Gateway to Pedosexuality; and Neither One Is Actually a Sexuality at All

A molested generation loses the will to survive. This has been known for millennia. The laws against perversion are not religious; the leaders who wanted their nations to survive added that in order to give a more effective motivation to make people afraid to get seduced into such a destructive, addictive, and obsessive mental disorder.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
You never heard of a living will?

Gay couples did not have the same protections as straight couples.
wouldnt need special protections if the government wasnt involved and stole from people,,

Ranting solves nothing. Just because you want everything for free doesn't interest me either.
when did I say anything about wanting free stuff??

your deflection is obvious,,

ranting is the first part of fighting back,, where you are clearly for the status quo of big government controlling everyones lives,,,

I've played this far too many times. What you consider "stealing" is simply you wanting everything for free.

I will not pursue this again.
so youre going to run away.. again.. because you cant back up your claim,, I see a pattern developing,,
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
The constitution does not specify Hetero family units....BUT IT DOES SPECIFY progeny...... Got some Idea how that can work...Schmedley? Cuz if ya do I'm all in with the initial investment dude...or dudette or PRONOUN SPECIFIED or whatever the fuck.

JO

We have tens of thousands of kids needing adopted.

Gay couples can have kids in the same way some straight couples do. Surrogate, artificial insemination, etc.
Not without a female body being involved

Which does nothing to address my point.
I'm not talking about sexual preference or social convenience I'm telling you that adoption was not a part of the constitutional construct.

I care less. Kids still need adopted and the more available families the better.
the probem is what you consider a family,,


No it isn't.

Not All Abuse Survivors Welcome Boy Scouts $850M Bankruptcy Deal
thanks for your opinion,,
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
You never heard of a living will?

Gay couples did not have the same protections as straight couples.
wouldnt need special protections if the government wasnt involved and stole from people,,

Ranting solves nothing. Just because you want everything for free doesn't interest me either.
when did I say anything about wanting free stuff??

your deflection is obvious,,

ranting is the first part of fighting back,, where you are clearly for the status quo of big government controlling everyones lives,,,

I've played this far too many times. What you consider "stealing" is simply you wanting everything for free.

I will not pursue this again.
on second thought,,
name one thing I am supposed to want for free??
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
Yeah, they also didn't have to worry about getting divorce raped in court either.

I never have understood why they wanted governmental approval.

If we want to get the government 100% out of it, cool with me but until then all deserve the same protections and benefits.
I want the government out of almost everything.

As far as I'm concerned, government should protect our borders and deliver the mail on time and not a damn thing else.

Fuck all those corrupt incompetent parasites.

Until then I'm going to argue for all to be treated the same.
You ever see me arguing against that?
Ever?

I noted that you and I were the only ones to support the 11 in Massachusetts. Not even those who pretend to support the 2nd Amendment would do so. With that being the case I support it all falling apart and it will but until then I will side with those who want all treated equally.
Well it's going to fall apart all right but don't be in too big of a hurry.

Because it's going to really suck.

Perhaps.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
We knew all along that you dopes never loved America. You just had maladjusted and bastardized views of it that are no longer acceptable anywhere. So now you, of course, desire to blow it up and start anew. Fuck off. It will never happen. Either evolve to adjust yourself to the actual reality, STFU or get lost.
And if we don't?

What do you plan to do to us?
Nothing.
The better question is what are you planning?
You’re the malcontents who suggest violence is an option.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
The constitution does not specify Hetero family units....BUT IT DOES SPECIFY progeny...... Got some Idea how that can work...Schmedley? Cuz if ya do I'm all in with the initial investment dude...or dudette or PRONOUN SPECIFIED or whatever the fuck.

JO

We have tens of thousands of kids needing adopted.

Gay couples can have kids in the same way some straight couples do. Surrogate, artificial insemination, etc.
Not without a female body being involved

Which does nothing to address my point.
I'm not talking about sexual preference or social convenience I'm telling you that adoption was not a part of the constitutional construct.

I care less. Kids still need adopted and the more available families the better.
Homosexuality Is the Gateway to Pedosexuality; and Neither One Is Actually a Sexuality at All

A molested generation loses the will to survive. This has been known for millennia. The laws against perversion are not religious; the leaders who wanted their nations to survive added that in order to give a more effective motivation to make people afraid to get seduced into such a destructive, addictive, and obsessive mental disorder.

Well then it's time to shut down the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
You never heard of a living will?

Gay couples did not have the same protections as straight couples.
wouldnt need special protections if the government wasnt involved and stole from people,,

Ranting solves nothing. Just because you want everything for free doesn't interest me either.
when did I say anything about wanting free stuff??

your deflection is obvious,,

ranting is the first part of fighting back,, where you are clearly for the status quo of big government controlling everyones lives,,,

I've played this far too many times. What you consider "stealing" is simply you wanting everything for free.

I will not pursue this again.
so youre going to run away.. again.. because you cant back up your claim,, I see a pattern developing,,

I have nothing to back up. They are your words. You are pissed that you actually have to pay for the things you use. That's your problem.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
You never heard of a living will?

Gay couples did not have the same protections as straight couples.
wouldnt need special protections if the government wasnt involved and stole from people,,

Ranting solves nothing. Just because you want everything for free doesn't interest me either.
when did I say anything about wanting free stuff??

your deflection is obvious,,

ranting is the first part of fighting back,, where you are clearly for the status quo of big government controlling everyones lives,,,

I've played this far too many times. What you consider "stealing" is simply you wanting everything for free.

I will not pursue this again.
on second thought,,
name one thing I am supposed to want for free??

Everything you use......roads, etc.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
You never heard of a living will?

Gay couples did not have the same protections as straight couples.
wouldnt need special protections if the government wasnt involved and stole from people,,

Ranting solves nothing. Just because you want everything for free doesn't interest me either.
when did I say anything about wanting free stuff??

your deflection is obvious,,

ranting is the first part of fighting back,, where you are clearly for the status quo of big government controlling everyones lives,,,

I've played this far too many times. What you consider "stealing" is simply you wanting everything for free.

I will not pursue this again.
so youre going to run away.. again.. because you cant back up your claim,, I see a pattern developing,,

I have nothing to back up. They are your words. You are pissed that you actually have to pay for the things you use. That's your problem.
what things are those??
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
You never heard of a living will?

Gay couples did not have the same protections as straight couples.
wouldnt need special protections if the government wasnt involved and stole from people,,

Ranting solves nothing. Just because you want everything for free doesn't interest me either.
when did I say anything about wanting free stuff??

your deflection is obvious,,

ranting is the first part of fighting back,, where you are clearly for the status quo of big government controlling everyones lives,,,

I've played this far too many times. What you consider "stealing" is simply you wanting everything for free.

I will not pursue this again.
on second thought,,
name one thing I am supposed to want for free??

Everything you use......roads, etc.
when have I ever complained about the gas taxs, sales taxs and PP taxs that pay for the roads???

you have me confused with a democrat,,
 
I wouldn’t consider it calm for you to want our elected officials to be killed, Trumpster.
I dont

Thats a lie I have refuted every tome you bring it up

I have proof and we both know it.

You tried to deny it last time, even accused me of doctoring the image.

You wanted our elected officials to be murdered in the weeks leading up to Jan 6, Trumpster. This is a fact.
 
From the link;

"A New Declaration Of Independence

Posted on December 12, 2020 by Wes Rhinier
Declaration of Independence: Full text - CNN

A New Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events which impelled our Founding Fathers to form a new Nation, conceived in Liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created free and equal and endowed by their Creator with the inalienable Rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, they determined to declare the reasons which inspired them to such a noble cause.
Because we hold to these same self-evident truths, we seek to adhere to these same timeless principles and to conduct our lives in a way which shows ourselves worthy of the precious legacy which has been handed down to us by such brave and honorable men.
WE are the worthy posterity of our noble Founding Fathers.
WE are the ones who have kept their Covenant and Constitution.
WE are the ones who recognize and revere the God of nature who has blessed us with the fruits of their labor.
All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.
Now our endowed Rights have been stolen by those especially entrusted for their protection.
Those who were created equal to us now think they have been elevated above us merely due to the office they have acquired solely through our good graces.
The Governments which have been instituted among us exclusively for the protection of our Rights, have become destructive of those very ends.
Our Safety and Happiness have been abused and usurped.
The principles upon which our Country was established are now distorted and derided, if they are remembered at all. As all of history shows, the pursuit of such a Government is designed to reduce us to absolute despotism.
Because we understand it is no light thing to alter, abolish or institute new Government, for far too long we have tried to content ourselves while evils were sufferable. But now there is no rule of law and our patience is viewed by our abusers only as consent to more abuse.
These are the Facts of the Tyranny we have endured at the hands of our elected Governors, Mayors, Judges, Sheriffs, Police, and various County and City Officials, as well as through their unholy alliance with unelected Unions, Social Justice Organizations, and Bureaucratic Agencies and Social Media:

  1. We are no longer Equal Citizens before the Law or Society. We are divided along non-existent intersectional fault lines and granted special Rights and Privileges based on perceived grievances or denied them according to the same superficial criteria.
  2. We have no Right to the Fruit of our Labor. Our property can be seized and our livelihoods destroyed on the whim of a mob or the arbitrary designation of an elected official.
  3. Our history is rewritten, eradicated, distorted and despised.
  4. Our elected officials issue mandates and decrees with no rational scientific, economic, or legal basis. Moreover, they themselves do not adhere to the same rules they create and enforce under threat of violence.
  5. Our law enforcement punishes the law abiding while cowering before the criminal elements of society. Our judicial system protects the guilty while crushing the innocent with all the power at its disposal.
  6. We are censored, marginalized, and ostracized in the public and private sphere for not championing evil as good and good as evil.
  7. There are no checks and balances within our political, judicial or economic systems. An unholy alliance between these three segments of society forms a bulwark which allows for no questioning or redress.
  8. Our religious Liberty is trampled upon, our churches are locked down as “non-essential” and our deeply held convictions are banned as “hate speech.”
  9. Our families endure never-ending attacks and an uncertain future from the constant upheaval of random interference and overreach. Our children are denied their education, normal interaction with relatives and friends, and every hallmark of childhood itself.
  10. Our last check on Tyranny, which are free and fair elections, is nothing but a charade. Outcomes are predetermined, fraud is rampant, and there is no recourse.
Because of their insatiable thirst for power, ignorance of history, arrogant and incorrect assumptions, intolerance for freedom, and contempt for their own heritage, these Tyrants and traitors within seek to conform us to their own will and unachievable Utopian vision. But because of their rejection of the God of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they can only create a Hell on earth. This is a vision we reject and an agenda with which we cannot and will not comply. Because our abusers will never relent, they must be ended. We understand what this will entail, what will be required of us, and the personal cost we may well have to pay, but Freedom is so dear and our Legacy so worthy, that we are ready for this great undertaking.
Knowing that our God is Faithful, our Cause is Just and our Liberty more precious than Life itself, we take up our Founder’s mantle and engrave on our hearts the words of their Great Seal: Tyrannis Seditio, Obsequium Deo “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.”
Signed:
WES RHINIER"











You have to wonder at the arrogance of the average government official that they refuse to see just how badly they are pissing off so many people.
It's not like they haven't been warned.
So only people who believe what you believe and who look like you should be represented and free.

Basically.

All we have ever required of our fellow countrymen is to respect our Right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness and, in turn, we have respected theirs.

Does this apply to gay people? Not likely.
How do you figure that?

Based upon the facts surrounding what I said.
None of the gay folks I know are complaining.

Well all 4 of them may be doing fine but we are discussing millions of others. Things are slowly changing but there are still those fighting against that in too far many numbers.
6.
My aunt and her wife, my uncle and his husband, my buddy R, and my former coworker M.

I know quite a few more than that, but not well enough to call them friends.

Anti-LGBTQ+ Group Says Amy Coney Barrett Could End Marriage Equality
So?

So for whatever lame reasons they can come up with people have no desire to leave others alone.
My uncle and his husband got married almost 30 years ago.

They didn't need anyone's permission and they sure as hell didn't ask.

They couldn't take the benefits allotted to straight couples.

30 years ago they wouldn't have had legal protections. If one got sick and in the hospital one wouldn't have had the same rights as a straight couple.
You never heard of a living will?

Gay couples did not have the same protections as straight couples.
wouldnt need special protections if the government wasnt involved and stole from people,,

Ranting solves nothing. Just because you want everything for free doesn't interest me either.
when did I say anything about wanting free stuff??

your deflection is obvious,,

ranting is the first part of fighting back,, where you are clearly for the status quo of big government controlling everyones lives,,,

I've played this far too many times. What you consider "stealing" is simply you wanting everything for free.

I will not pursue this again.
on second thought,,
name one thing I am supposed to want for free??

Everything you use......roads, etc.
when have I ever complained about the gas taxs, sales taxs and PP taxs that pay for the roads???

you have me confused with a democrat,,

None of that comes close to paying for roads.
 

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