This is the Pacific War with Japan in reverse

[Cougarbear]

We are staging a direct assault on global trade and every other nation on earth.

Building a wall of tarrif around the United States will only leave us weakened, with high coat heavy industry that will have to be subsidized out of your pocket. They will have little incentive to manage costs or build better products. They are protected.

Globalism will continue because everyone benefits.

And the US will be cut out and left behind.

We are already weak because of globalization. No, strengthening manufacturing and farming will only make us stronger and less needs to rely on the rest of the sick world. Why don't you democrats leave and live in China, Russia or Europe. How about Venezuela or San Salvador with your terrorist gang buddies you all love so much. The fact is, without their abilities to sell to us glutens here in the U.S., the rest of the world will die and all become third world countries. That's why most of the countries are now wanting to negotiate fairly with us. So funny to watch democrat leftists heads explode!

 

[Cougarbear]

Look at the economies of most traditional red states. Poverty or just above.

Now look at the economies of Texas and Florida. Better off states. The one reason is international trade (aka globalism). If they didn’t have a coastline, their economy would be the same as the economy of Arkansas.

Nope. The reason why the red states struggle is because they are farming states which have been hurt by globalism and tariffs by foreign nations. Farmers are all behind Trump and the tariffs. So are many blue states that manufacture cars as well. I'm not sure why you think the red states are in poverty? You aren't taking into consideration that the cost of living is substantially lower than in Florida, Texas and many of the blue states like California, Illinois and New York. Where do you get your news information from to be so far off? Oh, the communist news networks and fascist news affiliates.

 

[candycorn]

Nope. The reason why the red states struggle is because they are farming states which have been hurt by globalism and tariffs by foreign nations.

Farmers fear tariffs could cost them one of their biggest markets in China

Heading into this year, most U.S. farmers were hoping to break even or maybe record a small profit. But now they are faced with losing the biggest export market for many of their crops after China retaliated against President Donald Trump’s tariffs.

apnews.com

Laughably false. Your blob had to bail out the farmers twice (after subsidizing them) in the first go-round because of the trade war. Another round of bail outs is coming up.

We grow more food than we could ever consume. The only way to make a profit is to sell overseas. USAID--the thing you blob shit-canned--was a major market for farmers.

Farmers are all behind Trump and the tariffs.

Thanks for the chuckle.

I'm not sure why you think the red states are in poverty?

Because they are.

You aren't taking into consideration that the cost of living is substantially lower than in Florida, Texas

Because they get a shit load of money from Uncle Sam.

Now run along kid.

 

[Cougarbear]

Farmers fear tariffs could cost them one of their biggest markets in China

Heading into this year, most U.S. farmers were hoping to break even or maybe record a small profit. But now they are faced with losing the biggest export market for many of their crops after China retaliated against President Donald Trump’s tariffs.

apnews.com

Laughably false. Your blob had to bail out the farmers twice (after subsidizing them) in the first go-round because of the trade war. Another round of bail outs is coming up.

We grow more food than we could ever consume. The only way to make a profit is to sell overseas. USAID--the thing you blob shit-canned--was a major market for farmers.



Thanks for the chuckle.

Because they are.

Because they get a shit load of money from Uncle Sam.

Now run along kid.

Yep, and Trump is getting rid of the waste, fraud and abuse with the money because most of the money is going to crap stuff in the big cities. The fact is, the people are not in any less poverty than California. The cost of living is far less in most of those states. So, run along little doggy.
And, the farmers are all on the news saying they welcome the tariffs. So, your information is fraudulent and more abuse. Communists.

 

[candycorn]

Yep, and Trump is getting rid of the waste, fraud and abuse with the money because most of the money is going to crap stuff in the big cities. The fact is, the people are not in any less poverty than California.

Statistics prove you're wrong.

The cost of living is far less in most of those states. So, run along little doggy.

Yeah because the states provide nothing except measles outbreaks

And, the farmers are all on the news saying they welcome the tariffs. So, your information is fraudulent and more abuse. Communists.

Again, you have nothing to back up your rants. Only name calling.

Now run along junior.

 

[TimFitz]

We are already weak because of globalization. No, strengthening manufacturing and farming will only make us stronger and less needs to rely on the rest of the sick world. Why don't you democrats leave and live in China, Russia or Europe. How about Venezuela or San Salvador with your terrorist gang buddies you all love so much. The fact is, without their abilities to sell to us glutens here in the U.S., the rest of the world will die and all become third world countries. That's why most of the countries are now wanting to negotiate fairly with us. So funny to watch democrat leftists heads explode!

Weak?

We began the second Trump regieme with the strongest and largest GDP on earth. We had low unemployment and falling interest rates.

We were pointed to own the future.

Then Trump threw everything in reverse.

Trump’s idiotic tarrifs will hit agriculture hardest, as they did the last time.

Wall Street is not going to put its money on the industries of the past. There are two reasons. Unlike that 1880’s, steel, autos, mining etc. Are low margin, capital intensive industries. And, when the viability of those industries rests solely on the price subsidy they get from hiding behind tarrifs, they’re even more unattractive as an investment.

The rest of you post is tribal gibberish.

There is no country called San Salvador.

 

[sealybobo]

You are insane. TDS... We are actually doing the very opposite with tariffs. We are destroying globalism. By doing so, we are in no ways trying to take over the world. What is the matter with the liberal mind that they think globalism is a good thing and weakening America, the best liberty based nation on earth, a good thing?

You're insane! Destroying globalism? What's wrong with globalism? You mean we no longer buy or sell to anyone else?

The same globalists are the American Corporations that will run he companies when you bring their plants back home. Okay so now they have to manufacture in America to sell to Americans. I love it. But they'll also be automated jobs, and those companies won't pay any taxes.

I see what's going on.

I don't want to weaken America. Some manufacturing should come home. I heard Trump is tariffing medicine made abroad. Good. We need that made in America.

But we also want to sell to the rest of the world.

This isn't going to result in higher wages for uneducated blue collar workers. That's who this is supposedly for. It's not going to help them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Economically. Authoritarians like Trump and Putin and establishing a New World Order. Australia, Canada, Europe are not the bad guys or aggressors.​

Do you get paid more or less when your trolling goes off-topic?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Weak?

We began the second Trump regieme with the strongest and largest GDP on earth. We had low unemployment and falling interest rates.

We were pointed to own the future.

Then Trump threw everything in reverse.

Trump’s idiotic tarrifs will hit agriculture hardest, as they did the last time.

Wall Street is not going to put its money on the industries of the past. There are two reasons. Unlike that 1880’s, steel, autos, mining etc. Are low margin, capital intensive industries. And, when the viability of those industries rests solely on the price subsidy they get from hiding behind tarrifs, they’re even more unattractive as an investment.

Your entire post is tribal gibberish.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Now look at the economies of Texas and Florida. Better off states. The one reason is international trade (aka globalism). If they didn’t have a coastline, their economy would be the same as the economy of Arkansas.

Mindless nonsense.
Proximity to a coastline does not in any way given an inherent advantage in international trade.

 

[sealybobo]

Do you get paid more or less when your trolling goes off-topic?

Sorry but this feels self inflicted like

Putin invading Ukraine
Bush lying us into Iraq
Trump causing this recession

 

[M14 Shooter]

Sorry but

Ok, now address the question:
Do you get paid more or less when your trolling goes off-topic?

 

[sealybobo]

Your entire post is tribal gibberish.

No it wasn't. So in the previous post you call me out for going off topic. This guy posts facts and all you come back with is "your entire post is gibberish"? What part was gibberish?

It wasn't gibberish. It was details. And you don't do details. All you do is follow your tribe. You followed Bush in 2000 when he sent all those high paying jobs overseas. In fact you attacked the workers as lazy and overpaid. Now you say you want to bring their jobs back home? Why? Now that shipping costs are up and Mexicans are forming unions on your companies? And now because Trump won't make you pay taxes anymore? Now when those plants will be mostly automated?

Anyways, you have to respond with some thought bro or your threads gonna die. Sorry if I went off topic but you don't leave us much to work with.

What do you do for a living?

 

[sealybobo]

Free trade with canada is a far different animal than with mexico or china

The canadians have practically the same work and environmental costs of doing business as we do in America

As long they dont cheat by subsidizing some industries thats the essence of fair trade

Mexico and china on the other had have never played by our rules and that gives them an unfair advantage

This just pisses me off. In the 2000's Republicans argued for sending jobs to China and Mexico. We argued against it. You won. Now you want to go back? Will you make up your fucking minds? And no need to tariff and give tax breaks. If you are tariffing, don't give them tax breaks. If they don't come home, just increase the tariffs. RIGHT?

 

[M14 Shooter]

No it wasn't. So in the previous post you call me out for going off topic. This guy posts facts and all you come back with is "your entire post is gibberish"? What part was gibberish?

The entire post.
Just like yours.

Do you get paid more or less when your trolling goes off-topic?

 

[sealybobo]

The entire post.
Just like yours.

Do you get paid more or less when your trolling goes off-topic?

I thought it was your own thread you were derailing. Never mind.

 

[Unkotare]

Half the Chinese ships would sink on their own before getting into battle.

 

[Mac-7]

This just pisses me off. In the 2000's Republicans argued for sending jobs to China and Mexico. We argued against it. You won. Now you want to go back? Will you make up your fucking minds? And no need to tariff and give tax breaks. If you are tariffing, don't give them tax breaks. If they don't come home, just increase the tariffs. RIGHT?

Clinton and Gore pushed trade with china and mexico

Are republican swamp rats guiltless?

Not at all

But trump is leading the way to reform

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton and Gore pushed trade with china and mexico

Are republican swamp rats guiltless?

Not at all

But trump is leading the way to reform

No Reagan and Bush did. Fact. You don't know that? By the time Clinton got into office NAFTA was a done deal pretty much. Clinton and Gore went along with trade with China and Mexico. We/I/They went along reluctantly. Clinton even put worker and environmental protections in NAFTA before he signed. Bush and Trump removed those protections.

Trump renegotiated NAFTA in his first term. So Trump pushed trade with Canada and Mexico. He's not happy with the deal he signed in 2020?

And NIXON pushed trade with China remember? What party did he belong to?

 

[Mac-7]

By the time Clinton got into office NAFTA was a done deal pretty much.

Uh, I just told you that repubs have dirty hands too

But clinton and gore made it happen