This is the kind of thing you see in police states.

[berg80]

Let me come into your workplace, stand in your way as you attempt to move about and blow a whistle in your face as you try to work.

Then you can tell me what "Speech" I am doing.

Given a choice between being whistled at and being maced at point blank range for protesting or being violently pulled from my car on the way to the doctors I'll take the former.

ACLU Sues Federal Government to End ICE, CBP’s Practice of Suspicionless Stops, Warrantless Arrests, and Racial Profiling of Minnesotans​

MINNEAPOLIS — The American Civil Liberties Union, ACLU of Minnesota, Covington & Burling LLP, Greene Espel PLLP, and Robins Kaplan LLP filed a class-action lawsuit today against the Trump administration on behalf of three community members — and a class of similarly situated people — whose constitutional rights were violated by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Customs and Border Protection(CBP), and other federal agents.

Over the past six weeks, the Trump administration has increased its deployment of federal forces by the thousands. Masked federal agents in military gear have ignored basic human rights in their enforcement activity against Minnesotans, especially targeting Somali and Latino communities.

The Trump administration has been clear in its targeting of the Somali and Latino communities through Operation Metro Surge. President Trump called people from Somalia “garbage,” said “we don’t want them in our country,” and told them to “go back to where they came from.” Following Trump's comments, ICE and CBP agents have indiscriminately arrested — without warrants or probable cause — Minnesotans solely because the agents perceived them to be Somali or Latino.

In their lawsuit, the three Minnesotans challenge the administration’s policy of racially profiling, unlawfully seizing, and unlawfully arresting,people without a warrant and without probable cause. This is a violation of Minnesotans’ constitutional rights to equal protection and against unreasonable seizures.

ACLU Sues Federal Government to End ICE, CBP’s Practice of Suspicionless Stops, Warrantless Arrests, and Racial Profiling of Minnesotans | American Civil Liberties Union

MINNEAPOLIS — The American Civil Liberties Union, ACLU of Minnesota, Covington & Burling LLP, Greene Espel PLLP, and Robins Kaplan LLP filed a...

www.aclu.org

 

[Correll]

Given a choice between being whistled at and being maced at point blank range for protesting or being violently pulled from my car on the way to the doctors I'll take the former.

ACLU Sues Federal Government to End ICE, CBP’s Practice of Suspicionless Stops, Warrantless Arrests, and Racial Profiling of Minnesotans​

MINNEAPOLIS — The American Civil Liberties Union, ACLU of Minnesota, Covington & Burling LLP, Greene Espel PLLP, and Robins Kaplan LLP filed a class-action lawsuit today against the Trump administration on behalf of three community members — and a class of similarly situated people — whose constitutional rights were violated by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Customs and Border Protection(CBP), and other federal agents.

Over the past six weeks, the Trump administration has increased its deployment of federal forces by the thousands. Masked federal agents in military gear have ignored basic human rights in their enforcement activity against Minnesotans, especially targeting Somali and Latino communities.

The Trump administration has been clear in its targeting of the Somali and Latino communities through Operation Metro Surge. President Trump called people from Somalia “garbage,” said “we don’t want them in our country,” and told them to “go back to where they came from.” Following Trump's comments, ICE and CBP agents have indiscriminately arrested — without warrants or probable cause — Minnesotans solely because the agents perceived them to be Somali or Latino.

In their lawsuit, the three Minnesotans challenge the administration’s policy of racially profiling, unlawfully seizing, and unlawfully arresting,people without a warrant and without probable cause. This is a violation of Minnesotans’ constitutional rights to equal protection and against unreasonable seizures.

ACLU Sues Federal Government to End ICE, CBP’s Practice of Suspicionless Stops, Warrantless Arrests, and Racial Profiling of Minnesotans | American Civil Liberties Union

MINNEAPOLIS — The American Civil Liberties Union, ACLU of Minnesota, Covington & Burling LLP, Greene Espel PLLP, and Robins Kaplan LLP filed a...

www.aclu.org

That's.... interesting, not.


I didn't ask you which you wanted, I pointed out that the behavior you describe as "Speech"

ie, physically standing in the way of you and blowing a whistle in your face, while you are trying to work, is not speech but obstruction.


That was true when I said it, it was true when you ignored it, and it is still true.


You are talking about other shit, because you know it is true, but you can't admit it, because the truth reveals the "protestors" to be criminal want a be revolutionaries.

 

[citygator]

Another bullshit interaction.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

the intent behind such a database is troubling: to strike back against recent efforts to film, follow, and monitor ICE agents and publicize their identities

 

[berg80]

That's.... interesting, not.


I didn't ask you which you wanted, I pointed out that the behavior you describe as "Speech"

ie, physically standing in the way of you and blowing a whistle in your face, while you are trying to work, is not speech but obstruction.


That was true when I said it, it was true when you ignored it, and it is still true.


You are talking about other shit, because you know it is true, but you can't admit it, because the truth reveals the "protestors" to be criminal want a be revolutionaries.

If someone physically obstructs an officer of the law in the course of their duties that person exposes themselves to arrest. Were protesters who were doing no so such thing assaulted? Yes.

On January 15, 2026, independent photographer John Abernathy was tackled, pepper-sprayed, and handcuffed by federal ICE agents while documenting a protest in Minneapolis, MN. During the arrest, Abernathy threw his camera to a colleague to protect the images, an action captured in a widely circulated photo. The incident occurred during violent confrontations between federal agents and protesters.

 

[berg80]

That's.... interesting, not.


I didn't ask you which you wanted, I pointed out that the behavior you describe as "Speech"

ie, physically standing in the way of you and blowing a whistle in your face, while you are trying to work, is not speech but obstruction.


That was true when I said it, it was true when you ignored it, and it is still true.


You are talking about other shit, because you know it is true, but you can't admit it, because the truth reveals the "protestors" to be criminal want a be revolutionaries.

You seem to think ICE agents professionally went about their business of keeping the Minneapolis community safe from the scourge of violent criminals. Welcome to reality.

Federal Judge Slams ICE for Violating Nearly 100 Court Orders: 'ICE is Not a Law Unto Itself'​

Federal judge slams ICE for violating nearly 100 court orders: 'ICE is not a law unto itself'

Judges across the country are fed up with the Trump administration's refusal to follow orders requiring it to give bond hearings to detained immigrants.

reason.com

An escalating conflict between the federal judiciary and the Trump administration led a frustrated judge in Minnesota to release a list Wednesday of nearly 100 court orders he says Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) violated over the last month.

"ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence," Patrick J. Schiltz, Chief Judge of the U.S. District Court for Minnesota, wrote in a court order Wednesday.

Schiltz found that ICE had violated a previous order to immediately release a man being held in an immigration detention center and schedule a bond hearing for him. It wasn't the first time it had happened. Schiltz attached an appendix to his order of 96 court orders that ICE had violated in 74 different cases in the district. The list, Schiltz wrote, was almost certainly an undercount and "should give pause to anyone—no matter his or her political beliefs—who cares about the rule of law."

​

 

[martybegan]

Protesting their actions isn't. Ooooops. That is a 1st A right. trump didn't issue an EO suspending the 1st A did he?

Interfering with them isn't protest. It's civil disobedience if done peacefully (which still gets you arrested) and just criminal if done violently.

 

[Correll]

If someone physically obstructs an officer of the law in the course of their duties that person exposes themselves to arrest. Were protesters who were doing no so such thing assaulted? Yes.

On January 15, 2026, independent photographer John Abernathy was tackled, pepper-sprayed, and handcuffed by federal ICE agents while documenting a protest in Minneapolis, MN. During the arrest, Abernathy threw his camera to a colleague to protect the images, an action captured in a widely circulated photo. The incident occurred during violent confrontations between federal agents and protesters.

We were discussing the widespread use of physcial obstruction and whistles, whether it is OBSTRUCTION as I say, or FREE SPEECH as you claim.


I can see why you would want to change the subject. The left's claim that such behavior is "FREE SPEECH" is retarded and falls apart the moment one thinks about it.

If you would have the balls to admit that physically blocking cops and blowing whistles in their faces, as they try to work, is not speech but obstruction, then I will be happy to move on to the next set of "protestors" you claim are being ill treated.

Now, ignore my request and spam shit talk.

 

[Correll]

You seem to think ICE agents professionally went about their business of keeping the Minneapolis community safe from the scourge of violent criminals. Welcome to reality.

Federal Judge Slams ICE for Violating Nearly 100 Court Orders: 'ICE is Not a Law Unto Itself'​

Federal judge slams ICE for violating nearly 100 court orders: 'ICE is not a law unto itself'

Judges across the country are fed up with the Trump administration's refusal to follow orders requiring it to give bond hearings to detained immigrants.

reason.com

An escalating conflict between the federal judiciary and the Trump administration led a frustrated judge in Minnesota to release a list Wednesday of nearly 100 court orders he says Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) violated over the last month.

"ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence," Patrick J. Schiltz, Chief Judge of the U.S. District Court for Minnesota, wrote in a court order Wednesday.

Schiltz found that ICE had violated a previous order to immediately release a man being held in an immigration detention center and schedule a bond hearing for him. It wasn't the first time it had happened. Schiltz attached an appendix to his order of 96 court orders that ICE had violated in 74 different cases in the district. The list, Schiltz wrote, was almost certainly an undercount and "should give pause to anyone—no matter his or her political beliefs—who cares about the rule of law."

​

1. ICE is not limited to VIOLENT criminals, so I don't know why... oh, yeah, you just lie because it is your nature.

2. Judges are out of control. This is a period of civil unrest and many judges are abusing their office and exceeding their authority. Something has to be done about them.

 

[ThisIsMe]

If protesters committed a crime then with 3,000 ICE agents on the ground (at the time) then they already have a criminal record. Those aren't the people I'm talking about.

Reporting suggests that Homan’s database may already be a reality—and not just for people whose protest activity leads to arrest. On Jan. 23, an anti-ICE protester captured an ICE agent on video explaining that he was taking pictures of the protester’s car, “’cause we have a nice little database and now you’re considered a domestic terrorist. So have fun with that.” Ken Klippenstein reported that a federal official directly involved with the program confirmed that the database exists and that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has ordered immigration officers to collect information about anyone filming their activities.

Ok, so you have anti ice protesters video taping ice agents. In today’s climate, one would wonder, what are you going to do with that footage? Upload it to an anti ice doxxing website?

I’m sure that anyone who was at the capitol on J6, and anyone who’s cell phone was around the are, were all entered into a database.

For every person who has openly called for the assassination of a federal agent, I’m sure there are many people who think the same way, but aren’t saying anything. If you are engaged in activities, that could look like you’re associated with people who might be doing those kinds of things they’re going to want to keep tabs on you.

This is why I say if you just leave these ice ages alone don’t threaten them don’t attack them. Don’t interfere with them. You’ll be fine and you won’t be in a database.

 

[d0gbreath]

Freedom is just another lie that they tell us to keep us constrained.

Before you tell me to move to Iran, or NK, yes, I know that they are even less free in those countries.

 

[sartre play]

Interfering with them isn't protest. It's civil disobedience if done peacefully (which still gets you arrested) and just criminal if done violently.

iF that's true then why did you go to the wall to defend an under aged kid
who left his state to go to a protest with a rifle ?? Cant have it both ways,

 

[berg80]

We were discussing the widespread use of physcial obstruction and whistles, whether it is OBSTRUCTION as I say, or FREE SPEECH as you claim.


I can see why you would want to change the subject. The left's claim that such behavior is "FREE SPEECH" is retarded and falls apart the moment one thinks about it.

If you would have the balls to admit that physically blocking cops and blowing whistles in their faces, as they try to work, is not speech but obstruction, then I will be happy to move on to the next set of "protestors" you claim are being ill treated.

Now, ignore my request and spam shit talk.

Agents Suspended After Their Story of Shooting an Immigrant Falls Apart​

Two federal agents have been suspended, and criminal charges against a man one of them shot have been dropped, after a prosecutor in Minnesota revealed that the story those agents told about the shooting was not true.

The suspensions and dismissal followed an extraordinary court filing on Thursday, in which Minnesota’s top federal prosecutor, Daniel N. Rosen, asked a judge to dismiss charges against the man who was wounded in that shooting, as well as another man who had been accused of attacking the agent who opened fire.

Mr. Rosen wrote that “newly discovered evidence in this matter is materially inconsistent with the allegations” that federal officials made in a charging document and in courtroom testimony.

By Friday, the case had been dismissed with prejudice, meaning the men cannot be recharged. The two agents had been suspended and were being investigated, Todd Lyons, the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in a statement.

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www.nytimes.com

Your assumption appears to be to always take what ICE agents and regime officials say about encounters with immigrants at face value. That's a mistake. trump, Noem, and Vance have all lied about the circumstances surrounding the two shootings in MN. Now there's this.

 

[marvin martian]

ICE’s Unconstitutional Double Standard for Protesters

On Jan. 15, White House Border Czar Tom Homan told Laura Ingraham during a Fox News interview that he is “pushing for” the federal government to create a “database” of people arrested during demonstrations against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). In Homan’s words, “we’re gonna make them famous. We’re gonna put their faces on TV. We’re gonna let their employers, and their neighborhoods, and their schools, know who these people are.”

Reporting suggests that Homan’s database may already be a reality—and not just for people whose protest activity leads to arrest. On Jan. 23, an anti-ICE protester captured an ICE agent on video explaining that he was taking pictures of the protester’s car, “’cause we have a nice little database and now you’re considered a domestic terrorist. So have fun with that.” Ken Klippenstein reported that a federal official directly involved with the program confirmed that the database exists and that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has ordered immigration officers to collect information about anyone filming their activities.

However, DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin subsequently disavowed the existence of the database, while other reporting suggests that the “database” may be decentralized and disorganized at this point.

Regardless of its current status, the intent behind such a database is troubling: to strike back against recent efforts to film, follow, and monitor ICE agents and publicize their identities. As Homan said, “If they want to broadcast the ICE officer that was nearly killed all over the internet [presumably referring to the ICE agent who shot and killed Renée Macklin Good in Minneapolis], we’re gonna broadcast every one of these people we arrest.”

Homan is drawing a false equivalency between what protesters are doing—filming law enforcement officers doing their duties in public, following them to monitor those activities, and publishing recordings that disclose agents’ names, faces, and badge numbers—and what the government is doing: arresting people for this activity, creating a government-controlled list of ICE protesters, and preparing to use this information to lean on private parties in hopes that the private parties will then punish the protesters in ways the government cannot.

ICE’s Unconstitutional Double Standard for Protesters

DHS’s threats to create a database of anti-ICE protesters raise troubling First Amendment concerns.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Police states are known to use surveillance of their citizens as a means of controlling the population. Protests, exercises of free speech, media that questions authority, authoritarian governments don't like those things. Attempts are made to stifle dissent. For instance, unfriendly media outlets and individual reporters are targeted. Protesters are attacked by the police and files are kept on them. Not that anything like that would happen here.

Actually, this is what you see in police states:

 

[sartre play]

ITS PRESIDENTS DAY, AND no one even noticed.
Was going to post some likes about most from IKE forward.

 

[Leo123]

ICE’s Unconstitutional Double Standard for Protesters

On Jan. 15, White House Border Czar Tom Homan told Laura Ingraham during a Fox News interview that he is “pushing for” the federal government to create a “database” of people arrested during demonstrations against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). In Homan’s words, “we’re gonna make them famous. We’re gonna put their faces on TV. We’re gonna let their employers, and their neighborhoods, and their schools, know who these people are.”

Reporting suggests that Homan’s database may already be a reality—and not just for people whose protest activity leads to arrest. On Jan. 23, an anti-ICE protester captured an ICE agent on video explaining that he was taking pictures of the protester’s car, “’cause we have a nice little database and now you’re considered a domestic terrorist. So have fun with that.” Ken Klippenstein reported that a federal official directly involved with the program confirmed that the database exists and that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has ordered immigration officers to collect information about anyone filming their activities.

However, DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin subsequently disavowed the existence of the database, while other reporting suggests that the “database” may be decentralized and disorganized at this point.

Regardless of its current status, the intent behind such a database is troubling: to strike back against recent efforts to film, follow, and monitor ICE agents and publicize their identities. As Homan said, “If they want to broadcast the ICE officer that was nearly killed all over the internet [presumably referring to the ICE agent who shot and killed Renée Macklin Good in Minneapolis], we’re gonna broadcast every one of these people we arrest.”

Homan is drawing a false equivalency between what protesters are doing—filming law enforcement officers doing their duties in public, following them to monitor those activities, and publishing recordings that disclose agents’ names, faces, and badge numbers—and what the government is doing: arresting people for this activity, creating a government-controlled list of ICE protesters, and preparing to use this information to lean on private parties in hopes that the private parties will then punish the protesters in ways the government cannot.

ICE’s Unconstitutional Double Standard for Protesters

DHS’s threats to create a database of anti-ICE protesters raise troubling First Amendment concerns.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Police states are known to use surveillance of their citizens as a means of controlling the population. Protests, exercises of free speech, media that questions authority, authoritarian governments don't like those things. Attempts are made to stifle dissent. For instance, unfriendly media outlets and individual reporters are targeted. Protesters are attacked by the police and files are kept on them. Not that anything like that would happen here.

Anti ICE people are not just protesting, they are obstructing, spitting on, yelling at ICE agents. They are encouraging violence. They are, at the same time, protecting illegal alien criminals. They are full of shit and so are you.

 

[Correll]

iF that's true then why did you go to the wall to defend an under aged kid
who left his state to go to a protest with a rifle ?? Cant have it both ways,

Actually, you can. People have the right to defend themselves with deadly force. That he was 17 or crossed a state line is irrelevant to that.

 

[Correll]

Agents Suspended After Their Story of Shooting an Immigrant Falls Apart​

Two federal agents have been suspended, and criminal charges against a man one of them shot have been dropped, after a prosecutor in Minnesota revealed that the story those agents told about the shooting was not true.

The suspensions and dismissal followed an extraordinary court filing on Thursday, in which Minnesota’s top federal prosecutor, Daniel N. Rosen, asked a judge to dismiss charges against the man who was wounded in that shooting, as well as another man who had been accused of attacking the agent who opened fire.

Mr. Rosen wrote that “newly discovered evidence in this matter is materially inconsistent with the allegations” that federal officials made in a charging document and in courtroom testimony.

By Friday, the case had been dismissed with prejudice, meaning the men cannot be recharged. The two agents had been suspended and were being investigated, Todd Lyons, the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in a statement.

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Your assumption appears to be to always take what ICE agents and regime officials say about encounters with immigrants at face value. That's a mistake. trump, Noem, and Vance have all lied about the circumstances surrounding the two shootings in MN. Now there's this.

Actually, my assumption is not an assumption at all, but based on the numerous videos I have seen of your mob in action.


They have physically blocked law enforcement officers trying to work, and blow whistlers loudly, trying to make needed communication difficult, and to increase confusion.

They have also, blatantly lied about what they were doing, even as they did it.


Their behavior was clearly designed to provoke the police, hoping to cause an incident to be recorded so that your side could bring the legal hammer down on any infraction, real or imagined.


YOu people are scum of the earth and more and more, we are not willing to play your games any more.


You give any thought to where this is all heading?

That was a joke. I know that you cannot think.

 

[berg80]

Actually, my assumption is not an assumption at all, but based on the numerous videos I have seen of your mob in action.


They have physically blocked law enforcement officers trying to work, and blow whistlers loudly, trying to make needed communication difficult, and to increase confusion.

They have also, blatantly lied about what they were doing, even as they did it.


Their behavior was clearly designed to provoke the police, hoping to cause an incident to be recorded so that your side could bring the legal hammer down on any infraction, real or imagined.


YOu people are scum of the earth and more and more, we are not willing to play your games any more.


You give any thought to where this is all heading?

That was a joke. I know that you cannot think.

“Video evidence has revealed that sworn testimony provided by two separate officers appears to have made untruthful statements,” Mr. Lyons said. “Both officers have been immediately placed on administrative leave pending the completion of a thorough internal investigation.”

The government has said both men are from Venezuela and are in the United States illegally. Kristi Noem, the homeland security secretary, accused them of trying to kill the agent.

How long before she gets fired?

 

[Correll]

“Video evidence has revealed that sworn testimony provided by two separate officers appears to have made untruthful statements,” Mr. Lyons said. “Both officers have been immediately placed on administrative leave pending the completion of a thorough internal investigation.”

The government has said both men are from Venezuela and are in the United States illegally. Kristi Noem, the homeland security secretary, accused them of trying to kill the agent.

How long before she gets fired?

A single counter example of a case of behavior from a few ice officers, doesn't contradict my claim about the overall pattern of behavior by your side's "protestors".

The fact remains. Their behavior is an attempt to fight the federal government.


Have you considered the consequences if your RESIST succeeds?


That was a joke, I know you cannot think.