This is (Literally) Why We Can't Afford Nice Things

odanny

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This is a good explanation of the healthcare insurance nightmare that looms one accident away for every American. While my provider is pretty good with my insurance (such as Max. Out Of Pocket capped at $2500) what happens if I'm traveling and need care in a dreaded "out of network" hospital?

This is what Republicans continue to DEFEND, this is what they are fighting FOR. It's mind boggling these rubes have been convinced this is what works best, when countries all around the world have something far BETTER.


The patient: Phil Gaimon, 35, a former professional cyclist, a YouTuber and blogger who earns most of his income through sponsorships. He paid about $500 a month for his insurance policy with Health Net through Covered California, the state's health insurance exchange. He also had a secondary health insurance policy with USA Cycling.

Total bills: $151,804 from Lehigh Valley Health Network and $49,526 from the Hospital for Special Surgery. He had additional bills from various physicians. Health Net has paid approximately $27,000 to Lehigh Valley, according to Gaimon. His secondary insurance, with USA Cycling, paid $25,000 to the Hospital for Special Surgery and his surgeon there.

Service providers: Lehigh Valley Hospital-Cedar Crest in Allentown, Pa., part of the nonprofit Lehigh Valley Health Network; and the Hospital for Special Surgery, an academic medical center, in Manhattan, New York.

Medical procedure: surgery for a fractured collarbone at Lehigh Valley Hospital and surgery for a broken scapula at the Hospital for Special Surgery.

What gives: Gaimon collided with three health system dangers in this physically and financially painful crash: an out-of-state emergency, out-of-network care and gold-plated prices from both hospitals that treated him. Gaimon said he could sell his house and pay these bills, "but I shouldn't have to. I have insurance."

His situation is a scenario that many patients have encountered when they need emergency care outside their provider's network. It's known in medical jargon as "balance billing." Hospitals and insurance companies without mutual contracts often don't agree on the price of services, and the patient is left to pay the difference.

 
When I worked I had insurance. My wife had insurance also. I was primary on mine and the wife on hers. When my daughter was born she was primary on mine.

I retired and not going to be able to afford both insurances we kept the wifes as it was far less expensive. Now anytime my daughter or I use the insurance it's denied pending proof of other insurance. Every time we have to call and inform them that there is now only one insurance. They guarantee us it's fixed this time but then the next bill comes and it's the same thing again.

Insurance is designed to do all they can to deny you coverage.
 
$500/month for health insurance? Is that normal? WTF?

On the low side. I noted above we dropped the coverage I had as it would have been near $1000 a month. We were able to stay on my wife's for just under $500. Now that is for her, myself and daughter.

So when people say we will have to pay for UHC, I point out that I already pay.
 
On the low side. I noted above we dropped the coverage I had as it would have been near $1000 a month. We were able to stay on my wife's for just under $500. Now that is for her, myself and daughter.

So when people say we will have to pay for UHC, I point out that I already pay.
Bless your heart. I am sorry for that. Highway robbery. Sinful.
 
When I worked I had insurance. My wife had insurance also. I was primary on mine and the wife on hers. When my daughter was born she was primary on mine.

I retired and not going to be able to afford both insurances we kept the wifes as it was far less expensive. Now anytime my daughter or I use the insurance it's denied pending proof of other insurance. Every time we have to call and inform them that there is now only one insurance. They guarantee us it's fixed this time but then the next bill comes and it's the same thing again.

Insurance is designed to do all they can to deny you coverage.
I found that out with private health insurance yet I don't have the hassle with the VA.
 
I found that out with private health insurance yet I don't have the hassle with the VA.
I use the VA for my main medical needs. I have for several years.

Getting an appointment is a hassle. But once I get there they are faster and more efficient than the service I had with Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
 
Ready for Medicare-For-All yet?
Ahhh yes, let the people have complete control over our healthcare, with a law written by either corporatists, or people that have ZERO clues about healthcare. The same people that caused the price of healthcare to sky rocket in the first fucking place.
Why do all the leftists policies require zero thought, and all emotion?
Its like taxation. You want to raise rates when that wont do a damn thing. "you have to rewrite the tax code, Karen"
:rolleyes:
 
Ahhh yes, let the people have complete control over our healthcare, with a law written by either corporatists, or people that have ZERO clues about healthcare. The same people that caused the price of healthcare to sky rocket in the first fucking place.
Why do all the leftists policies require zero thought, and all emotion?
Its like taxation. You want to raise rates when that wont do a damn thing. "you have to rewrite the tax code, Karen"
:rolleyes:
Those people are called underwriters.
 
Ahhh yes, let the people have complete control over our healthcare, with a law written by either corporatists, or people that have ZERO clues about healthcare. The same people that caused the price of healthcare to sky rocket in the first fucking place.
Why do all the leftists policies require zero thought, and all emotion?
Its like taxation. You want to raise rates when that wont do a damn thing. "you have to rewrite the tax code, Karen"
:rolleyes:
Noted. You're not ready yet. Not surprised, tbh.
 
I use the VA for my main medical needs. I have for several years.

Getting an appointment is a hassle. But once I get there they are faster and more efficient than the service I had with Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
i have no problem with BC/BS....they even reimburse me about 600 bucks from Medicare twice a year,,,
 
i have no problem with BC/BS....they even reimburse me about 600 bucks from Medicare twice a year,,,

I never had any problem with them either. It was good insurance. I was simply talking about how the VA has treated me. And that is more about the individual doctors than any insurance.
 
This is a good explanation of the healthcare insurance nightmare that looms one accident away for every American. While my provider is pretty good with my insurance (such as Max. Out Of Pocket capped at $2500) what happens if I'm traveling and need care in a dreaded "out of network" hospital?

This is what Republicans continue to DEFEND, this is what they are fighting FOR. It's mind boggling these rubes have been convinced this is what works best, when countries all around the world have something far BETTER.


The patient: Phil Gaimon, 35, a former professional cyclist, a YouTuber and blogger who earns most of his income through sponsorships. He paid about $500 a month for his insurance policy with Health Net through Covered California, the state's health insurance exchange. He also had a secondary health insurance policy with USA Cycling.

Total bills: $151,804 from Lehigh Valley Health Network and $49,526 from the Hospital for Special Surgery. He had additional bills from various physicians. Health Net has paid approximately $27,000 to Lehigh Valley, according to Gaimon. His secondary insurance, with USA Cycling, paid $25,000 to the Hospital for Special Surgery and his surgeon there.

Service providers: Lehigh Valley Hospital-Cedar Crest in Allentown, Pa., part of the nonprofit Lehigh Valley Health Network; and the Hospital for Special Surgery, an academic medical center, in Manhattan, New York.

Medical procedure: surgery for a fractured collarbone at Lehigh Valley Hospital and surgery for a broken scapula at the Hospital for Special Surgery.

What gives: Gaimon collided with three health system dangers in this physically and financially painful crash: an out-of-state emergency, out-of-network care and gold-plated prices from both hospitals that treated him. Gaimon said he could sell his house and pay these bills, "but I shouldn't have to. I have insurance."

His situation is a scenario that many patients have encountered when they need emergency care outside their provider's network. It's known in medical jargon as "balance billing." Hospitals and insurance companies without mutual contracts often don't agree on the price of services, and the patient is left to pay the difference.

Yep. It's a racket.

Unfortunately, all our fearless leaders can come up with as a solution is to formalize the racket and put government in charge. :rolleyes:
 
Those people are called underwriters.
They'll be called the same thing under Medicare For All. And it will be the same people, the same companies.

People who think forcing everyone into Medicare will remove insurance company profits from the equation are seriously deluded. They'll make even more.
 
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