This is Insane: Obama Administration gives final 'NO' to 27 Texas Refinery Permits

[Samson]

So, he's resolved one?

From your list, he is supposed to resolve any one of them in 18 months? Do you not think there are people working night and day on those problems? (Just as they've always been, by the way.) You're treating major issues as if they're on some sort of "THINGS TO DO TODAY" list. Get real, would ya?

In other words Sampson, NO he hasn't done squat to resolve any of these issues.

well, he does have another year or so.....maybe he'll wave a magic (black magic?) wand in time to improve his popularity before 2012.

 

[saveliberty]

well, he does have another year or so.....maybe he'll wave a magic (black magic?) wand in time to improve his popularity before 2012.

Most of those black wands have a white tip. Just saying.

 

[manu1959]

This is a insane move to do this. There is no reason to reverse the permit process and this proves Obama with his tool the EPA is intending to wage war against the Petroleum sector. This move along with the drilling moritorium issued today is a telling sign that we in the Petroleum Industry are under attack by a rogue illegal Administration. This is a strictly political move.


EPA gives final "no" to Texas refinery permits: Scientific American

Leading U.S. independent refiner Valero Energy Corp faulted the decision. San Antonio-based Valero has six Texas refineries, the most owned by a single company. The plants employ 2,700 people.

"When the flex permit program was rolled out in 1994, EPA and environmental groups applauded it, and EPA approval seemed implicit," said Valero spokesman Bill Day in a statement. "Now, 16 years later, EPA is reversing course, and our facilities are caught in the middle, creating significant uncertainty at a time when our economy can least afford it".

Maybe Texas should secede and then they can do what they want. Please.

the oil rig folks will just take their jobs and rigs elsewhere.....

 

[Meister]

This is a insane move to do this. There is no reason to reverse the permit process and this proves Obama with his tool the EPA is intending to wage war against the Petroleum sector. This move along with the drilling moritorium issued today is a telling sign that we in the Petroleum Industry are under attack by a rogue illegal Administration. This is a strictly political move.


EPA gives final "no" to Texas refinery permits: Scientific American

Leading U.S. independent refiner Valero Energy Corp faulted the decision. San Antonio-based Valero has six Texas refineries, the most owned by a single company. The plants employ 2,700 people.

"When the flex permit program was rolled out in 1994, EPA and environmental groups applauded it, and EPA approval seemed implicit," said Valero spokesman Bill Day in a statement. "Now, 16 years later, EPA is reversing course, and our facilities are caught in the middle, creating significant uncertainty at a time when our economy can least afford it".

Maybe Texas should secede and then they can do what they want. Please.

the oil rig folks will just take their jobs and rigs elsewhere.....

Exactly, and more jobs for overseas. Barry will surely blame the Bush administration for the job loss.

 

[Samson]

This is a insane move to do this. There is no reason to reverse the permit process and this proves Obama with his tool the EPA is intending to wage war against the Petroleum sector. This move along with the drilling moritorium issued today is a telling sign that we in the Petroleum Industry are under attack by a rogue illegal Administration. This is a strictly political move.


EPA gives final "no" to Texas refinery permits: Scientific American

Leading U.S. independent refiner Valero Energy Corp faulted the decision. San Antonio-based Valero has six Texas refineries, the most owned by a single company. The plants employ 2,700 people.

"When the flex permit program was rolled out in 1994, EPA and environmental groups applauded it, and EPA approval seemed implicit," said Valero spokesman Bill Day in a statement. "Now, 16 years later, EPA is reversing course, and our facilities are caught in the middle, creating significant uncertainty at a time when our economy can least afford it".

Maybe Texas should secede and then they can do what they want. Please.

the oil rig folks will just take their jobs and rigs elsewhere.....

Well, it will make people appreciate the wholesome jobs that the casino gambling industry offers along the gulf coast.

 

[manu1959]

Maybe Texas should secede and then they can do what they want. Please.

the oil rig folks will just take their jobs and rigs elsewhere.....

Well, it will make people appreciate the wholesome jobs that the casino gambling industry offers along the gulf coast.

and fruit picking....

 

[manu1959]

Maybe Texas should secede and then they can do what they want. Please.

the oil rig folks will just take their jobs and rigs elsewhere.....

Exactly, and more jobs for overseas. Barry will surely blame the Bush administration for the job loss.

nah....they will blame big business for outsourcing.....

 

[Meister]

Yeah, he's just been ignoring all of those issues just to be mean and draw the wrath of idiots who can't pay attention. Only idiots believe any of those issues can be resolved to the satisfaction of all the elements involved in a limited amount of time.

So, he's resolved one?

From your list, he is supposed to resolve any one of them in 18 months? Do you not think there are people working night and day on those problems? (Just as they've always been, by the way.) You're treating major issues as if they're on some sort of "THINGS TO DO TODAY" list. Get real, would ya?

Yet, healthcare, cap and trade, immigration amnesty IS on barry's "Things To Do Today" list.
Too bad for the (non)working stiff.....that is somewhere at the end of his "Things To Do At Some Point....Maybe" list.

 

[Samson]

the oil rig folks will just take their jobs and rigs elsewhere.....

Well, it will make people appreciate the wholesome jobs that the casino gambling industry offers along the gulf coast.

and fruit picking....

Do you mean fruit picking or "fruit picking?"



Other than sugar cane (and I don't mean "sugar cane") and rice, there's not much agriculture along the Redneck Riviera.

 

[manu1959]

Well, it will make people appreciate the wholesome jobs that the casino gambling industry offers along the gulf coast.

and fruit picking....

Do you mean fruit picking or "fruit picking?"



Other than sugar cane (and I don't mean "sugar cane") and rice, there's not much agriculture along the Redneck Riviera.

they could plant cotton again....

 

[The Rabbi]

So, he's resolved one?

From your list, he is supposed to resolve any one of them in 18 months? Do you not think there are people working night and day on those problems? (Just as they've always been, by the way.) You're treating major issues as if they're on some sort of "THINGS TO DO TODAY" list. Get real, would ya?

Well, he did promise "Change."

What has he changed?

What is he supposed to have changed in 18 months? Heck, it will take him 3 1/2 years just to unpack. In the meantime he can blame Bush for everything.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

There are no new refineries because of the nimby effect. My son also checks out sites for construction of new refineries, and nobody (NOBODY) wants to live within 50 miles of one.

Link?

Seriously, do you think a link is necessary to prove people don't wanna live next to a refinery?

Yes, I'm sure NIMBY is also a factor, but it hasn't prevented the construction of modern chemical facilities (relative to refineries).

Yes I want a link that says no one wants to live within 50 miles of a refinery.

 

[Samson]

Link?

Seriously, do you think a link is necessary to prove people don't wanna live next to a refinery?

Yes, I'm sure NIMBY is also a factor, but it hasn't prevented the construction of modern chemical facilities (relative to refineries).

Yes I want a link that says no one wants to live within 50 miles of a refinery.

50 is only an exaggeration: What about just 5 miles?

The point is, many communities don't want a refinery near them, and not without good reason: I work in refineries, and I wouldn't wanna LIVE near one.

 

[Big Fitz]

This is a insane move to do this. There is no reason to reverse the permit process and this proves Obama with his tool the EPA is intending to wage war against the Petroleum sector. This move along with the drilling moritorium issued today is a telling sign that we in the Petroleum Industry are under attack by a rogue illegal Administration. This is a strictly political move.


EPA gives final "no" to Texas refinery permits: Scientific American

Leading U.S. independent refiner Valero Energy Corp faulted the decision. San Antonio-based Valero has six Texas refineries, the most owned by a single company. The plants employ 2,700 people.

"When the flex permit program was rolled out in 1994, EPA and environmental groups applauded it, and EPA approval seemed implicit," said Valero spokesman Bill Day in a statement. "Now, 16 years later, EPA is reversing course, and our facilities are caught in the middle, creating significant uncertainty at a time when our economy can least afford it".

yet more proof positive the P-BO admin is deliberately wrecking the US Energy sector and the economy. At what point does this become criminal? That's what I want to know.

 

[Big Fitz]

Seriously, do you think a link is necessary to prove people don't wanna live next to a refinery?

Yes, I'm sure NIMBY is also a factor, but it hasn't prevented the construction of modern chemical facilities (relative to refineries).

Yes I want a link that says no one wants to live within 50 miles of a refinery.

50 is only an exaggeration: What about just 5 miles?

The point is, many communities don't want a refinery near them, and not without good reason: I work in refineries, and I wouldn't wanna LIVE near one.

I live within 25 of a major refinery. I'd move to less than 5 if I could afford the housing and job down there. It's a great area. I've lived within 1500 feet of an Iron Foundry that could have exploded quite easily since they used a lot of liquid oxygen. I've lived 3 miles away from a paper pulp mill that had to alert the surrounding area of it's recovery boiler alarm tests, because if it did actually explode, the force was calculated at 3/4 of a kiloton. And that was next to a log yard, onsite turpentine distillation system, onsite lime kiln and onsite liquid oxygen plant... plus compressed Chlorine storage. So we're looking more like a very fiery 1 megaton blast. I'd have lived right across the street from it, if it didn't stink so damn much.

NIMBY is the first refuge of the pussy who really should just grow up.

 

[Samson]

Yes I want a link that says no one wants to live within 50 miles of a refinery.

50 is only an exaggeration: What about just 5 miles?

The point is, many communities don't want a refinery near them, and not without good reason: I work in refineries, and I wouldn't wanna LIVE near one.

I live within 25 of a major refinery. I'd move to less than 5 if I could afford the housing and job down there. It's a great area.

How the heck do you know its a "great area?" You're 25 miles away??

25 miles DOWNWIND????

The point isn't that a refinery is as likely to explode as an Iron Foundry.

The point is that property values (as you mentioned) decline around refineries because they are loud, smelly, unsightly, create industrial traffic, etc. etc.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Seriously, do you think a link is necessary to prove people don't wanna live next to a refinery?

Yes, I'm sure NIMBY is also a factor, but it hasn't prevented the construction of modern chemical facilities (relative to refineries).

Yes I want a link that says no one wants to live within 50 miles of a refinery.

50 is only an exaggeration: What about just 5 miles?

The point is, many communities don't want a refinery near them, and not without good reason: I work in refineries, and I wouldn't wanna LIVE near one.

The point is, a claim was made and now I want the idiot that made that claim back her shit up!

Are you and that idiot joined at the hip? Can she not speak for herself?

But since you feel froggy, show some evidence that supports your claim that no one wants to live within 5 miles of a refinery.

 

[Big Fitz]

Just as a point of reference.

Eden Prairie, MN, 2010 Money Magazine "Best Town to Live In", in the US is 15 miles away from that same refinery. Edina MN, one of the richest best communities in the Twin Citie is less than 10. The Mall of America, and Twin Cities International Airport, 10 miles give or take. DOWNWIND is Grand Island Casino and Hastings, MN, Another good town to live in. Not to mention many great cottages and river homes on the Mississippi and St. Croix rivers.

Yes the refinery is big and a bit loud, and that's why it's inbetween a highway and a few rail yards to push back residential areas to at least a mile or so. More than a few farms too But once you get outside of like 2 miles, it's no worse than having a highway near by. No you don't get any bucolic natural silence, but you don't get that in the city either in the BEST neighborhoods anyway.

A benefit to those residential areas near 'dangerous' industrial sites? Large green spaces and cheap lots for big houses. This China Syndrome Freakout Culture has got to stop if this society is even going to survive a real danger instead of those hallucinated by paranoiacs looking for something to increase their stress level.

Ever smell a iron foundry or Pulp mill in operation? I've smelled and lived downwind to all three at one time or another. I'll take the refinery first, thank you very much over the smell of burning iron and the smell of rotting condensed pine forest with a hint of chlorine turpentine and lime.

 

[Truthmatters]

texas refinery explosion - Bing Videos

view the video and you will understand why people dont want to live next to them.

 

[Big Fitz]

texas refinery explosion - Bing Videos

view the video and you will understand why people dont want to live next to them.

There are dangers to every industrial/manufacturing process. Particularly the refining of raw materials.

Foundrys
Papermills
Refineries
Power Plants
Plastics
Gas Collection
Grain Elevators
Mines
Food processors
Distilleries

on and on and on. You can have horrific accidents at all these places. So what? That is why you set a basic safety standard like no residential development inside a half mile. The debris from the explosion probably won't hit your house if it DOES HAPPEN TO BLOW UP. Common sense shit. Don't live downwind. if something's stinky. But if you want jobs and work, you are GOING to have to put up with it. No economy survives strictly on service and information handling. You need to manufacture something and that means doing, quite often, dangerous things to ensure control over the supply particularly when the supply is local.

The illusion of the 'safe world' needs to be dismissed. It will never be perfectly safe, and if you won't take risks, you may as well put the gun in your mouth and pull the trigger for you are patently useless as a human being. Don't venture outside, don't leave bed, don't eat, don't breath don't drink.... because something some where's going to kill you and the rest of us, aren't that scared of death and want to make life a better place.

Time to put on your big boy panties and join the rest of civilization, take reasonable risks and live. But if you wanna live in a bunker, fine, you're pre-burried, let's just brick you off and call it a day so the rest of us can get on with it.